ACLU Defends Fraud at Voter ID Debate

Posted on February 26, 2012 by Conservative Byte

Voter fraud has a history of plaguing elections, inspiring a growing number of states to enact voter identification laws in recent years. The issue was the focus of a debate Thursday at the National Press Club between Heritage senior legal fellow Hans von Spakovsky and Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office.

Proponents of voter ID laws believe they reduce fraud and improve the integrity of elections. Opponents argue these laws decrease voter turnout and disenfranchise minority voters.

“One of the key principles of any fair election is making sure that the person who casts the vote is legally eligible to do so, and the fairest way to do that is by making sure that individuals authenticate their citizenship when they register to vote, authenticate their identity when they appear at the polling places,” said von Spakovsky. “Those kinds of requirements also increase public confidence in our election process.”

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  • Larry

    From what you have printed about the ACLU, contrary to your healdine, the ACLU did not defend voter fraud. What they said was that voter ID laws discourage voting and disenfrancise minority groups disproportionately. That is true. Of course you are not satisfied unless you make up phony headlines.

    • TooBig

      Voter fraud is reald and the same ones complaining can sure produce a ID for free welfare. How many have died to protect the ballot box and you write the crap you did.
      How many illegals and dead people have voted to support the democraps DUH

      • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

        Not everyone who has been denied their right to vote is on welfare.

        It helps no one to reduce this complex situation to a mindless bumper sticker mentality.

        • Catfish

          Now you are quoting Ohomo again, Just polly parrots repeating Ohomo with every comment he makes. If you were smart enough to hear and understand the crap he has been saying, you would know he is non american and wants to destroy america. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

          • Ray

            Catfish, you are 150% on the money. He has been anti-American since the get-go. His mission is to destroy the USA by making working taxpayers support those that don’t want to work, his main reason for pushing illegal’s to become legal, just to get the Latino vote, but fortunately most Latino’s are on to him. While I am not crazy about the republicans, the democrats are even worse and are totally brainwashed or too stupid to realize what is going on. Or, perhaps those on welfare that can work, but won’t, do not want to bite the hand that feeds them, in either case this has to cease because eventually those paying taxes will just stop or retire.

          • http://yahoo kenny1801

            You GOT THAT RIGHT!!!!!

          • Nina

            Denial of any real voter fraud due to lack of identification comes from the makers of…

            THE KKK… HA! Stupid people still vote for Democrats thinking they are for the minority. Let them all rot.

            Doesn’t Happen? Typical Liberal BS to deny, deny, deny – voter harassment – does she mean just like the Black Panther episode that was totally ignored by the left wing gvt and media sectors? All the proof in the world won’t stop them from making the blatant lie that is doesn’t happen. This is equivalent to “my Dad can beat up you Dad” mentality. Disenfranchises minority voters? Really? Isn’t that eerily similar to stopping the dead, duplicate or illegal population from voting? And that is what all you socialist liberals want to happen, right? How “tough” is it to pull out your freaking I.D. or get one? Laura Murphy is an expert liberal shiot spinner is what she is. Exactly when was that “huge black migration” to Georgia? Or maybe it just seemed that way because they all registered to vote when their “brutha” was running. And they voted out of being racist because they voted for him simply because he is black.

            If there are people too damn poor to obtain their birth certificate, then how the hell are they getting to the voting polls? Oh, that’s right, Acorn – or whatever you call them now. So let them pay for the birth certificate as well. This is about THE LAMEST excuse I have ever heard…. Obama thinks $40 a week isn’t much to ask in paying higher taxes to pay for all his and Michelle’s vacations, then neither is paying for a BC to vote.

            So let’s get over the fear of using fraud charges by both parties and make everyone show an I.D. – this would solve that problem as well. It doesn’t take a literate person these days to see their name and sign it, know their birth date and stand to get a photo taken. And we aren’t talking about anything but proof of I.D. Shouldn’t they already have a birth certificate if they were born? Shouldn’t they already have a passport if they are legally in this country? Shouldn’t they already have a marriage certificate if they got married by an officiant? And college I.D.s are given to foreign students, so yeah, I think they were smart in stopping that. Wow a whole 17 voters hu? Out of how many possible fraudulent votes? So give the kid $20 bucks and call it a day. What the hell good are you in gvt if not to help people instead of RULE OVER everyone – rules that you exclude yourselves from. Just shut up Laura!

            Those “severe mechanisms” are NEVER applied to the perpetrators, EVER. Let’s talk about a crass power grab that matters, like YOUR POTUS defying the laws when the Senate was in fact in session and he knew it but did whatever the hell he wanted to anyway – and now is talking behind closed door to all the other violating Dems in gvt to actively circumvent Congress all together because, well, damn it, the POTUS just can’t wait for the legal process.

            I guess it doesn’t take much to confuse the liberals and EVERYTHING is complex to them. The ACLU needs to start supporting itself and its own progressive, socialist agenda! TAKE THEM OFF THE DOLE!

          • susan

            I believe he’s non-american also by the things he says and does. Strange president.

          • Shirley Slaughter

            You are absolutely correct Catfish
            like sheep to the slaughter they go.

          • ruth

            Catfish, so right, these are the fools of obuma and they will never hear what obuma is really saying or doing to our country, fools, fools, fools., obumas slaves.

          • Jane18

            I have been saying the same thing for years, Catfish. Even when I heard of him as a senator. I absolutely could not believe it when he began campaigning, then nominated, and how people “fell” for him. It still amazes me that that people are so ignorant(to ignore) of this guy…………………………

          • Bob H

            In my state you do have to show I.D. to the polling Judge and sign your name to the voting book before you can vote, if you don’t have photo I.D. then you can show your S.S. card to let the judge know who you are before giving a ballot to said person, now I ask what the hell is so dam hard about that??????????

        • http://www.nccs.net/ Vunderkint

          Hold on now, you’re twisting TooBig’s meaning when he brings up the issue of requiring identification to access so-called government benefits i.e. welfare, the fact is that as citizens were required to produce identification for a lot of things and we do so without much of a fuss.

          To assert that this issue is in any way “mindless bumper sticker mentality” is absurd! The integrity of our voting system must be protected and we have ample evidence that demonstrates that voter fraud is real and is taking place, that should be an affront and shameful to any honest freedom loving American. He is absolutely correct that blood was shed and lives given to protect our nation and safeguard our rights and liberty including our system. kushibo, how complex you think this issue is? You are either eligible to vote and do so honestly or you are the part of the population who wants this process to remain in the shadows where fraud is possible.

          If you think that integrity in the system is an imposition and that producing easily obtained valid identification if eligible denies rights you should demonstrate how, the truth is no one is denied the right to vote by requiring valid IDs and the assertion that it is is a strawman tactic.

          • Shirley

            I am sick to death of paying taxes that are given to organizations like the ACLU! Why isn’t the ACLJ supported with tax dollars???? American Center For Law & Justice has to run off contributions. The ACLU should have to do the same. This is a disgusting waste that we are forced to fund! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!

          • American Tea Partier

            I’m loving all of the straight-up answers I’m reading on here! Obviously not many lib trolls on this one – everyone makes sense! It’s stupid to have a problem with producing ID, unless you’re dead or just don’t exist. That’s wherein lies the problem. And if POTUS can’t get those votes, he’ll probably be eating his “I have five more years” bull that he’s been spewing. What a flippin’ traitor, starting with him and working your way all the way down. Clinton, Reid, Pelousy, Geithner, Holder, Schumer – more than this old mind can remember.
            But let’s not have voter IDs again so he gets to steal another election and finish us off. If it weren’t for my love of this great land and for all of the sacrifices of all of the brave (cowards – Holder) they wouldn’t have the opportunity to steal our freedoms. And a POS-TUS that wants to take America down belongs in our finest prison. Sheriff Joe’s tent city, pink undies and all!!

          • Wayne

            You realize of course that requiring legal identification would prohibit Soetoro from voting.
            Except maybe in Malaysia or Kenya.
            The ACLU is a socialist anti american organization that is always on the wrong side of common sense.

        • Texas Patriot

          How many have been denied their right to vote to a fraudulent use of their identity at the poll before they arrived? Use your head.

        • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

          [5] million questionable voters is a larger problem;; follow my reasoning, if those [5] million cast fraudulent votes and these are counted,, then it actually becomes [10] million votes, because each fraudulent vote cancels OUT A LEGAL VOTE. GET IT? That can be as much a 10% of the total votes cast. If you do not have proper identification you can not buy cigarettes, liquor, drive a car, get your WELFARE PAYMENTS, set up a bank account,, cash that welfare check ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ; get real you bimbos.

          • Shirley

            They say everyone the age of 18 should be able to vote. How does one prove they’re 18 without a PHOTO ID????

          • Bob H

            Thank You Robert E Lee for telling it like it is. Many young men have died fighting for are freedom to vote as free men and women and not to have to live under tranny of Government who want to control how you run your life and how you pray to your God, this evil called Marxist Socialism well do what ever it takes to get control over we the people, I do fear for my country for many people have forgotten how Ronald Reagan said over fifthy years ago that we would see Socialist try and take control over are health care and are family and are believes in are religon, this man Barack Obama is are Hitler he is taking us down a path of total distruction, yes Robert E Lee I like you and many Americans may have to pick up arms to defend are freedom from this tranny in are Government. May God Help Us All.

        • Dan Talbot

          Complex situation? What complexity? Maxwell’s and Schroedinger’s equations are complex, this is not. There is only one variable: X=YES or NO (you’re an authentic voter or a fraudulent voter) PERIOD. To establish which one it is does not require application of rocket science and brain surgery. An ID is the answer that is obvious to even the most casual observer.

          • Catman

            Do you show ID when you cash a check, board an airplane, use your credit card with no picture on it, show it to a police officer when asked, go to get you welfare check, etc, etc, etc?
            So what’s so bad about having to show ID when you vote? Oh my, how silly of me. If you had to show ID to vote, the dumbocraps wouldn’t be elected now would they. Voter fraud is so damn rampant in this country it makes third world countries look like church social clubs. These people running for political office are so anxious to get to a position of power, they will do anything to attain that goal. When found to have been elected with even a hint of fraud, the person should be removed from that office immediately until a full and thorough investigation is conducted. If found that fraud was perpetrated, the person should be removed from public office forever.

          • Dan Combs

            Right on Dan T.

          • Shirley Slaughter

            It is funny that anyone would object to an ID card in today’s
            climate. If you have nothing to hide what are you worried about?

        • DaveP326

          Kennedy was elected with a 100,000 vote margin. It was later learned that his daddy Joe Kennedy paid Sam Giancana to “get out the democratic vote” in Chivago. Well, Old Sam got those votes in the cemetaries. A whole lot of dead people voted for JFK.
          If you think that is not still going on, you are either on drugs, on another planet or just plain dumb. There is no excuse for the ACLU to be defending voter fraud. What is the problem with insuring that only legitimate voters get to vote? Yes maybe some people won’t vote, but so what? (maybe they weren’t legit voters, anyway?). Everybody should be required to prove they are qualified to vote. EVERYBODY.

          • NancyJ

            And guess who pays the bill for the ACLU. We do!

          • Mark

            DaveP,you got that right!!!!Joe Kennedy got his son elected and assinated!!!!!!!Like the old saying goes,”Pay Backs Are HELL!!!!!and they didn’t pay!!!!!!

          • Eddie

            Remember LBJ (the SOB) ? ?
            Remember the 200 from Jim Wells County in South Texas that got him elected to the U S Senate ?
            Those 200 votes were cast for LBJ from the grave……yep, they were all from dead people.
            AND……mmmmmm, I don’t remember LBJ (the SOB) getting investigated.

          • BILLY

            EVERYBODY? ELDUMO DID NOT AND STILL HAS NOT. EACH FOUND GUILTY OF VORER FRAUD, NOT SHOULD BE KEPT FROM PUBLIC OFFICE, BUT GIVEN AT LEST 25 YEARS VACATION AT THE LOCAL PENN.. AND THAT IS INCLUDING ELDUMO, BUT 75 FOR HIM…IT IS TIME TO GET THIS COUNTRY BACK.

        • Weasler

          Complex situation? How in the world is it “complex”? If you want to vote, you have to produce ID in order to prove you are eligible, just as you would if you wanted to fly on a plane or buy alcohol. That doesn’t seem very “complex” to me.

          But then again, we’re talking about liberals…

          • CMSgt Ed Beard, USAF, Ret

            And one can use the same ID. Most states offer to issue the ID for free, but even that isn’t good enough for those who would steal an election as the Democrats are wont to do. Why not try to get elected legitimately for a change Democrats? Why can’t your party win on the merits of your platform? Why piss and moan about the corruption in other countries, when your party practices the same tactics?

        • http://ospatriot.us OsPatriot

          If you know of ANY voter that would be DISENFRANCHISED by requiring a Voter ID. Get them on. That solves the problem. I you can’t find one. Then VOTER ID should NOT BE A PROBLEM, Unless He or She wants to vote more than once. Voter ID will only HELP those that are LEGAL to VOTE.

        • Don

          This is not a complex issue! Have some kind of ID to prove who you say you are…. Simple….

        • Don

          It is not a complex issue. Show proof that you are who you say you are……Simple enough.

        • dissygusted

          Catfish, you got it. You have to have i.d. to get a library card, get on an airplane, cash a check, open a bank account, buy beer, get insurance for your car, get a hotel room, purchase things in many stores, even with a credit card, enter a hospital, rent a car, go into a hospital, open a charge account, buy on credit, get a speeding ticket, buy tickets to movies for young people, buy cigarettes, maybe you-all are getting my drift. So, in my mind, it appears most everyone legal has to have i.d.

        • LTB

          Actually, MOST are on some form of “public assistance” and to deny it is insane. Round them up, check the records and wammo, there you go. A bunch of dead beats trying to make a little more crack money. Bottom line is that NO ONE should be allowed to vote that cannot prove they’re ELIGIBLE TO VOTE. That is, a legal citizen and resident of the location they’re voting. Stop being a criminal by defending criminals. Guess what, it’s called “AIDING AND ABETTING” and it’s a crime.

        • http://conservativebyte.com Freedom_Road

          Bottom line is this: anyone who is against the presentation of identification at the voting location is for the concept of fraud as part of the process. There simply is no defense for those that do not want to show identification! It would improve the ligitimacy of our elections and it would actually ensure that those who vote for their candidate are not negated by the likes of dead people!!! Whether or not the ACLU said they are for fraud or not they support it by apposing common sense methods for eliminating it, therefore, they agree with it. And I don’t care what group you come from for those that claim hardship for getting I.D., if they were giving away $100 bills on the other side of town, they surely would find a way to get there and probably complain that is wasn’t $200!!!! You need to get a job, you need to drive a car, you need to get assistance of any kind, so why is this even an issue?! All legitimate voters probably already have an acceptable form of I.D. so, that tells me you want illegal voting!

        • http://conservativebyte.com Freedom_Road

          The bottom line is this: If you are against identification being presented at the polling location, then you are for fraud period! There is no legitimate reason NOT to support the presentation of I.D. to be able to vote! To drive a car you need an i.d., to get a job you need an i.d., to assistance you need an i.d., to get into college you are supposed to have an i.d., to have a credit card you are supposed to have an i.d. So anyone that is legally able to vote probably already has a valid form of identification to be able to vote, only those that are not legal will have an issue! It doesn’t matter whether the ACLU said it directly or not, by opposing common sense rules for voting they are saying they support fraud because it benefits their views. It doesn’t matter what group you are talking about there is no argument that is would impose a hardship or disenfranchise voters, because these same people if they were giving away $100 bills across town would find a way to get there and then probably complain that it wasn’t $200!!!!

        • Oregonian

          How about one example of someone qualified to vote who has been “disenfranchised” by being denied the opportunity to vote? And if you find one, what was the reason given for denying the right to vote?

      • Glori

        Well said! Dems have a very different concept of reality, on second thought if the voter ID was to be they would lose because so many Dem voters are dead.

        • Terry

          Dem are Dead from the neck up for sure. What is the problem with having to produce an ID? The only way it is a problem is if someone is trying to hide something….like how many times they vote and who they really are. Voter ID…duh.

          • Jon

            Not so Catfish they are very aware of it. Why else would they go along with everything he does. Pelosi and Reid and Geithner, and the rest are selling us all our as we speak. They act like they are against the rich, but have made secret pacts with the rich because the companies in America are screwing their citizens more and more everyday. Its a trick on the poor. The rich will survive. You and I will be left on the street to starve. We are like cattle be herded to the butcher. No American is going to believe the truth they think Washington is protecting them. But Washington has sold us all out because of their greed over the years has left the American people broke. The stimulus was to take care of their friends that screwed us. This was just another way to break the countrys back and make sure their friends had enough to survive. Anmd buddy that wasnt the american people. So for those of you that dont see the obvious keep following the shepherd to the slaughter. They know how dumb you are. You been following them for years why would you stop now.

        • skip

          Glori, Yes even the ones alive are dead from the neck up. Anyone in their right mind would not vote away their freedoms like most Demon-rats do. They have the right name Demon and a ass for there logo. Make sence to me that there mind is a waste to freedom and life. Most dems are for abortion it’s funny the ones for abortion are already alive. At lease you might think different, by the voter fraud of the dead. On a radio talk show a guy in Texas said he voted 72 times,that just one guy.

        • Dan

          Well… at least brain dead.

      • JIM

        I HAVE TO SHOW AN I D TO GET MY MED’S ALSO HAD TO SHOW ONE TO GET MY LIBUARY CARD . AN ID JUST SHOWES WHO YOU ARE AND NOT A DEAD PERSON TRYING TO VOTE

        • Joyce Atkins

          Amen Jim

      • Ben Midulla

        Welfare takers think it is their right to cheat because they are poor and besides “the government takes care of us”. Four generations of Welfare takers know nothing else, so of course they would lie, cheat and vote for Obummer as many times as they can.

      • del

        how do you think oscumbo and the dopeocrats won 2008???

        • emerutil

          You must understand: It is their important agenda that has to come about at any cost. ANY cost!

      • Joyce Atkins

        If these so called disenfranchised voters can find a way to get to the polls to vote, then they can find a way to go to DMV with their birth certificates and get a voter ID Card. The ACLU are nothing more thanbunch of BS’es.

      • Nina

        EXACTLY! Doesn’t Happen? Really? Typical liberal BS to deny, deny, deny – voter harassment – does she mean just like the Black Panther episode that was totally ignored by the left wing gvt and media sectors? All the proof in the world won’t stop them from making the blatant lie that is doesn’t happen. This is equivalent to “my Dad can beat up you Dad” mentality. Disenfranchises minority voters? Really? Isn’t that eerily similar to stopping the dead, duplicate or illegal population from voting? And that is what all you socialist liberals want to happen, right? How “tough” is it to pull out your freaking I.D.? Laura Murphy is an expert liberal shiot spinner is what she is. Exactly when was that “huge black migration” to Georgia? So let’s get over the fear of using fraud charges and make everyone show an I.D. – this would solve this problem as well. It doesn’t take a literate person these days to see their name and sign it, know their birth date and stand to get a photo taken. It’s NOT THEN, it’s now. And we aren’t talking about anything but proof of I.D. Shouldn’t they already have a birth certificate if they were born? Shouldn’t they already have a passport if they are legally in this country? Shouldn’t they already have a marriage certificate if they got married by an officiant? And college I.D.s are given to foreign students, so yeah, I think the were smart in stopping that. Wow a whole 17 voters hu? Out of how many possible fraudulent votes? So give the kid $20 bucks and call it a day. What the hell good are you in gvt if not to help people instead of RULE OVER everyone – rules that you exclude yourselves from. Just shut up Laura!

        Those severe mechanisms are NEVER applied to the perpetrators, EVER. Let’s talk about a crass power grab that matters, like YOUR POTUS defying the Senate being in session and doing whatever the hell he wanted – and now is talking behind closed door to all the other violating Dems in gvt to actively circumvent Congress all together because, well, damn it, the POTUS just can’t wait for the legal process.

        I guess it doesn’t take much to confuse the liberals and EVERYTHING is complex to them. The ACLU needs to start supporting itself and its own progressive, socialist agenda! TAKE THEM OFF THE DOLE!

      • Harry M

        Every fraudulent vote–and there are lots of fraudulent votes being cast for Democrats–nullifies and disenfranchises a legitimate voter who votes for a Republican.

      • Russ

        I’m supprised that Bertha Lews the slag from Acorn wasn’t there the Aclu needs to disbaned as they forgot what the A in there name stands for. Maybe if we could get a real man in the white house instead of a weak kneed boy he would shut down the aclu

      • edward Shick

        It really amazing I ‘m 80 type by Hunt and Peck , spend two hours writing about 15 years on Election board , hit submit and it comes up,,, I am sending replys to quick ,,,Slow down

      • Dale

        One of the problems with voting in this country is most people are to DAMN SORRY to go register and do their Constitutional duty and go to the poles and vote. In the last election only about 1 fourth of the citizens voted and less than that voted in the primarys. In order to cut down on coter fraud we need to get rid of the electronic voting machines and the electronic vote counting machines, It has been said that the voters have the power but the person who counts the has the most power. Who owns these machines and counts the votes (GEORGE SOROS) get the picture.

      • American Tea Partier

        I’m sure the New Black Panthers with their night sticks weren’t there to scare anyone from voting against their man, right? It just so happened they didn’t have anything else to do on voting day so they decided to hang out with their night sticks in front of polling places. At least that’s what our crooked AG says, as he refused to prosecute them!
        This entire administration is crooked and anyone that can’t see that is blind!! I’m on disability (after working and paying my taxes for 32 years, then having many health problems causing me to give up my GOOD PAYING JOB :( that I really loved) and have my ID to proudly show to vote. I’d bet if Voter ID laws were in place in ’08, hussein would have never stolen the WH. And I REALLY love Catfish and Nina’s responses. He IS out to destroy the US – that was the plan from the beginning. What’s so hard about carrying a little 3 x 2 plastic card when you go to choose who will determine your future??
        I’d also like to add that all of us that collect govt. paychecks DON’T vote dumocrap. But I’m NOT on SSD by my choice either. I’d MUCH rather be healthy, working and EARNING my good paychecks. Life was much easier then, when I was making enough money to buy little things like gas, groceries and meds. People that have never EARNED a living are missing out on the great feeling of putting a hard days work and getting a good paycheck every week to show for it. No sense of pride, just GIMME!! And to hear hussein make fun of us wanting to drill makes me REALLY sick. YES, DRILL, DRILL, DRILL!! He’s the one that’s put a stop to it and is entirely to blame for the high gas prices, him and all of the liars in his admin. They purposely want high energy prices because America “has been too arrogant for too long and we deserve it” while Moochelle takes her THIRTEEN (or was it 17? I lost count) fancy expensive vacations on OUR dime and has expensive entertainment for parties at OUR White House while we the people that are paying can’t even afford a vacation close to home! I agree with whomever said if you aren’t smart enough to get an ID to vote, you shouldn’t be voting anyways. Something so simple to decide something so important! That’s a NO BRAINER!!

        • Gary

          You are right on.

      • Gary

        You are so right. The problem with the ACLU is their very existense is at stake. They are so anti American and pro Communist it makes one sick; Most of thier cases should not even reach the courts.

        • Joann

          Alot of the judges are also communists and Democrates, they seem to go together.

      • David

        Too Big, you are correct. Democrats brag about their ability to vote fraudulantly. How can we allow this and then tell voters “Every vote counts, so be sure and vote”. During Gore-Bush in Florida, Donns Brazille bragged, ” Put me on the streets down there for one day and I’ll put Gore over the top”.

      • THOMAS STEWART

        Right-On Too-Big With 2 Million Dead Voters Registered And 20 Million Illegals Registered, Something Must Be Done Before Nov. God Bless America And Newt Gingrich POTUS.

      • EyesWideOpen

        Hey Larry, you brain dead moron – the only people that do not vote if they have to show an ID are the ones with too many warrents out for their arrest, the dead, and the illegal immigrants. And the biggest phoneys of all are the ACLU!
        I was part of the 5 year Federal Crime Census of the mid-nineties. The results: At the time, the blacks represented 12.5 % of the US population but committed 78% of crime, of which 83% of that was black against black crime. It is also a fact that the strong majority of people receiving Gov’t entitlements are black. THESE FACTS WERE NEVER REPORTED BY THE MEDIA! The problem is that when white politicians try to address these issues it is called racism, but the black politicians just look the other way and do nothing but promote more of the same. America is a melting pot of all races, but the rest of us call ourselves Americans when the blacks feel the need to differentiate themselves as African-Americans. They blame the rest of us for their failure to become contributing members of our society. Not only do they refuse to get along with the rest of us, they can’t get along with each other. I AM NOT SAYING THAT ALL BLACKS ARE LIKE THIS, JUST THE MAJORITY! Most are just lazy and/or criminal.
        THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS AND NEED TO BE DEALT WITH!!!

      • Goober

        This is a response to TooBig, the amount you requested is 1,200,000 that’s one point two million dead and illegal votes cast in the last presidental election.

        Read more: Thousands of fraud cases just ‘tip of iceberg’ http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=355461#ixzz1b3nWzCaR

      • http://conservativebyte.com Freedom_Road

        Bottom line is this: producing an I.D. at the ballot box makes it harder to cheat the system and vote fraudulantly! Regardless of what group wants to vote illegally, they don’t want restrictions being placed on fraud. And whether or not the ACLU says it outright or not, anyone that is against presentation of identification to prevent voter fraud wants fraud to be allowed because these groups benefit from the fraud. End of case! There is not a ligitimate reason not to present I.D. to improve the ligitimacy of our election process. If they were giving $100 bills away across town, these same people claiming it creates a hardship would surely find a way to collect their $100 bill and probably complain that is wasn’t $200!!! THERE IS NO DEFENSE FOR NOT WANTING IT….

    • Plumbly

      Larry,

      Just exactly how does Voter ID disenfranchise minorities? Please help me understand.

      • sid

        illegal socialists will not vote, unless they’re confident their fake documents hold up!!! as for all legal voters, same as usual!!!

        • Max

          The illegal Mexicans are a minority, at least so far (LOL). Since they don’t all have a driver’s license and don’t have ID”s because they are illegal then they can’t vote cause they don’t have said ID…So I guess it follows the are disenfranchised due to the fact they were born in Mexico, and can’t vote in America, unless of course they vote for a dead person or dog or goldgish or something…Happens every day. How do you think we got stuck with the fascist Obummer in 08….

          • RED-WHITE-BLUE

            Just some more smoking mirrors by the A.C.L.U. Nobody complains when you have to have a photo I.D. to drive a car, or to fly on a plane, or even to purchase beer or cigarettes. But to vote, you don*t need an I.D.? Can someone say*FRAUD!*

      • Ray

        Plumbly, it will not disenfranchise minorities, it will only hurt those that should not be voting because they are not citizens. It will also keep dead people from voting and others from voting multiple times. I for one do not mind showing my drivers license or any other info they want to prove I am who I say I am, others that squabble about it are just either making trouble or not eligible to vote for their boys.

      • skydiver

        It does not! What it does do is assist O’Bozo and his Dumocrats gather fraudulent votes in their effort to futher the destruction of America as we know it. They are a bunch of low life, Muslim lov’n, socialist SOB’s! Hopefully the watchdog are on top of this!

      • emerutil

        Simple: Fraud would me much more dangerous, difficult, and easier to expose!

    • LS Alvarez

      I am a minority female who has no problem nor objection to prove my ID and that I am legal to vote. The ACLU has helped to allow voter fraud by challenging states when they try to make sure only live, legals can vote. Can’t drive? Then get a state ID. I don’t vote in Mexico because I am not a citizen there.

      • D.R. Galvan

        Very well put, Ms Alvarez…I am also a minority but am for sure 100% American born in this country at the beginning of the 60′s…And You are right, I also do not have any problem or objection to show a picture ID and that’s what needs to happen and the SOB’s at the ACLU need to butt the Hell out of it!!! This crock of SH*T that the ACLU has been caught with its hands in the cookie jar not only once but many times when they want to help out these useless Democrats get into office they cover themselves with the same blanket!!!!!

      • Leslee

        It is unbelieveable to me that individuals can possibly think that having some form of ID would be a detriment! We should all have to provide legal identification. You are absolutely correct LS Alvarez Thank you for your comments

      • sid

        miss alvarez- you are not a minority, you are an “AMERICAN”!!! i’m an immigrant from the old soviet held czechoslovakia, and both of us are “AMERICANS”!!! i’m proud to have you as a neighbor!!!

    • florin

      This is a no brainer…of course we should show some form of ID when registering to vote…why would anyone not want to make the voting process free of fraud? Why…because Dems are known to have cartoon characters and dead people vote for Dems…no one will be disenfranchised by having to have an ID to show, and those IDs, I understand, will be free…so the only ones who protest are those who are voting illegally…we have to show IDs when cashing a check or before boarding an airplane or when applying for a passport or when making large purchases, etc…so let’s push for voting IDs and have done with this nonsense…if you can’t win an election fairly, then you shouldn’t win at all…Dems admit they use these back room cheating tactics to win…honorable Dems. in Congress should insist on a voter ID…

      • emerutil

        Democrat and honorable?! An oxymoron, if I ever saw one!

      • OBAMA HATER 4 SURE

        Florin would you please check the congressional roster and let me know how many Democrats or Republicans you find that fit you criteria for HONORABLE, and I will bet you it’s not very many. First of all you can disqualify all the democrats because of the fraud POTUS that they all support and as far as for the Republicans it’s not going to be any of them either, because most of them know he is a fraud POTUS as well. they just haven’t got the guts to call for his IMPEACHMENT as they should because they took an OATH to defend the constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic so they violated that oath the second that OBUMMER was sworn into office.

        • Bruce_Wicks

          The silence of this Congress is deafening. I would like to know why. That the policies of this adminstration are undermining the principles of our Constitution is evident and only a few democratic leaders speak out and they speak in defense of Oboma’s policies. Where is the opposition? Why are We the People the only Citizens who speak out against this tyranny? How soon will we too be silenced? Coercion?

      • James

        Right on Florin but the aclu wont understand because it makes to much sense

      • Ruth Bacon

        When ACLU fights voter ID, Yes, I would say they are defending fraud.
        The Obama administration is pushing for amnesty for millions of illegals and, at the same time, wanting them to need NO ID to vote. What does that tell us?????

    • Larry

      If you haven’t made up your mind on the aclu these comments should provide you with all the info you need to determine how much they threaten our freedom.And stop using my name until you quit drinking that Kool Ade..

      • Southernman

        Larry Larry Larry Larry Larry-hickup-Larry Larry Larry Larry

      • Dan Talbot

        Larry you are drinking Kool-Ade to wash down those crap sandwiches Obama and his goon squad keep feeding you.

    • Brett

      What is it about a person’s skin color that makes him or her unable to obtain an identification card? Nothing! They’re very simple to get in my state, Illinois. Should we turn a blind eye to fraud just because some people don’t want to make the minimal effort to obtain an identification card? Ridiculous!

    • Chuck

      Larry, you can’t be serious. If voter ID laws discourage voting among minority groups then those who are discouraged MUST have something to hide. How could an HONEST individual possibly be endangered by showing his ID unless of course there are felony warrants out on him.

      Additionally, since voter ID laws are largely not actively in force, where do you get your information from?

      Stop drinking the Kool-Ade Larry.

    • Lonnie W. Lynch

      And that is so much B.S., it does neither one.. Only cheaters are afraid to be identified .. from where I come from blacks have a long history of not wanting anyone to know them, their addresses, or phone numbers… Why ? who the hell knows !!

      • emerutil

        Why indeed!

    • Darrell Lynch

      LIE! LIE! LIE! Voter i.d.’s are intended to do exactly what they say they are for. You should be deeply ashamed for even thinking they are not. You are saying that minorities (blacks, hispanics, muslims?) are not intelligent enough to understand they need identification in order to prove they are LEGALLY able to vote. SHAME! We have had this law in the great state of Arkansas for many years, and every citizen here has no problem with it, at all. We proudly show our voter I. D.’s at the polls. We are PROUD to be Americans, legally able to vote our conceinces, dem., or Republican, or whatever. Only those who are not able to vote LEGALLY, would complain, or those who are too stupid to understand the obligations of being a member of a free society. I personally know several black folks, Hispanics, and yes, welfare people, who register, and vote with pride. I say, good on them! Those who are too stupid, don’t need to vote anyway. But then, I don’t know any of those. You? It has always been the dems. and the liberals, who have sought to keep minorities down, and bitching when we introduce something to help them up. SHAME! Debate on some issues can be a fairly good thing, but you are much too biased to waste time on it. The facts prove your lies.

      • http://n/a jkdriss

        I know blacks who think it is racist to have to show an id card. And they have one themselves. Unbelievable!

    • Andy

      I find it reprehensible that your comment infers that minorities are unable to work within a system set up to benefit all. It would seem you believe there is an intelligence (or some other issue among minorities) that disqualifies them from having the ability to acquire the necessary identification documents to make their voting process legal! If, in fact, someone who is a minority happens to qualify for any other governmental benefit, food stamps, child care assistance, etc., they certainly have the where with all to gain legal access to the voting process by virtue of being able to access other such benefits via the paperwork they need to identify themselves as “eligible”. Do not under estimate our minority groups so easily!

      • NymRod

        So true and very well said.

      • http://n/a jkdriss

        The real racism in this country emenates from a group of people who seek to maintain their monopolistic control of over the victim mentality of minorities, THE LIBERALS! I am having a hard time believing that an ethnic group with as much pride as our nations blacks accept all this affirmative action crap, voter id crap and whatever other crap that liberals push based on the belief that blacks need them and their so called equality laws to live as free citizen in this country. I wonder of blacks know that liberals set up standards for college entry and government jobs where they expect blacks to perform at lower levels, and the lower level performing blacks may actually beat out a black that scores through the roof because of the liberal imposed affirmative action quotas. All this baloney equates to little less than than 21st century indentured servitude. Keep voting democrat why dont you?

    • dr jon

      what a idiotic thing to say after the 2008 and 2010 dimorat voter fraud…

    • Dave

      As is usual in making a Liberal point you fail to provide the rest of the post from the story, below is the rest of the post copied verbatum from the Heritage site, read it to the end.

      –Murphy’s response was to discredit the fraud and focus on minority disenfranchisement. “There is much more evidence that citizens are disenfranchised by these measures than there is evidence of individual voter fraud,” she said. “Hans is quick to point out that some Democrats have supported photo ID legislation, but the vast majority of state legislatures that are enacting photo ID laws and other barriers to voting are Republican-controlled legislators who may fear that low-income people, students, the elderly, the disabled, and racial minorities are taking aim at their political power.”

      In her view, the rise in voter ID laws is purely political.

      “To regain or strengthen an electoral advantage, largely Republicans, and in some small cases Democrats, are hoisting upon us the largely baseless and abstract allegations of voter fraud as the rationale for a whole series of voter suppression laws,” she said.

      In response, von Spakovsky quoted Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens’ statement from the Indiana voter ID case.

      “Examples of such fraud have been documented throughout this nation’s history,” Stevens’ wrote. “Not only is risk of voter fraud real, but it could affect the outcome of a close election.” According to von Spakovsky, the idea that this will prevent individuals from voting, the claim that it is intended to suppress the vote, particularly of minorities, Democrats, and the elderly, has been disproved in the courtroom and disproven in polling place.

      Murphy also cited a well-worn argument from voter ID opponents that the laws decrease turnout because of the cost to get identification.

      “Voter ID laws deny the right to thousands of citizen voters who do not have or cannot obtain the limited forms of identification that states accept for voting,” Murphy said. “Many of these Americans cannot afford to pay for the required documents needed to secure a government issued photo ID.”

      Proponents of voter ID laws note that states provide this for free. Plus, von Spakovsky was quick to discredit the argument by explaining that voter turnout actually increased after the Georgia and Indiana laws were put in place. In 2008, the turnout of Democratic voters increased more than 6 percentage points in Georgia over the 2004 election when there was no photo ID law in effect, and it increased more than 8 percentage points in Indiana.

      • OBAMA HATER 4 SURE

        Dave you took the words right off of my keyboard. You must have wanted to use my new keyboard with the big letters that glows in the dark that you saw on the T.V. commercial, and if you are wondering folks it’s just great I can once again see the letters since my eye sight is getting worse as a result of having diabetes.

    • http://yahoo guest

      Don’t understand why this would be true unless they have something to hide.

    • EnoughStupidity

      Larry

      You are absolutely correct on this article. If the ACLU was so against the voter fraud issue as this article states, then why are they clammering to get in with Holder against South Carolina’s long time law to come with Id to vote???????

    • d rash

      Larry you simply state “That is true”, when referring to minority’s being disenfranchised disproportionately”??? Hows about a little proof of that statement. Larry I guarantee you if these VERY SAME MINORITY’S have to produce ID to pick up there welfare checks, food stamps, Medicare and Medicaid benefits, Hud housing vouchers, WIC dispersements, or ANY, FREE governmental service, they pop out an ID immediately! No, Larry, let’s be honest, the reason for the generally “democratic” opposition to VOTER ID LAWS is so that democrats can CONTINUE to steal elections and votes! Case in point. I have read about probably 10 to 15 voter fraud cases in the United States in the last year. ALL BUT ONE, was a democrat being charged with voter fraud. In the ONE case where a republican was charged, he was simply charged with using his ex wife’s address on his voter registration. Why is it ALWAYS DEMOCRATS charged and convicted of voter fraud in about 95% of voter fraud cases? ALWAYS!!! Why? It’s simple, …. democrats MUST cheat, to win!

      • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

        exactly;; libocrats must lie otherwise they could not be competitive;; lying to ignorant people to further their agenda is the only way,and throw in some free entitlements just for good measure ;;hahahah

    • Joy

      Larry, voting is a privilidge, not a mandatory regulation. If you wish to enjoy the privilidge, then you need to abide by rules. Year after year, mary people are elected through the benefit od DEAD Voters names still on the rolls. Elderly Folks have to present ID to draw Social Security and it should be neccessary that anyone drawing ANY KIND of public assistance have a picture ID. Strange that so many fight Voter ID, but if it means FREE money from the Government, they surly will supply ID for that. Many elections are won by Fraud and its time we take control of oue elections and demand Certified Picture ID be presented before being allowed to vote!!

    • fred

      Prove it discourages voting from minorities; those that are legally allowed to vote; of course………..otherwise SHUT UP

    • Downunda

      I quote for ur posting voter id laws discourage voting & disenfrancise minority groups gisproportionately THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THIS IS TRUE. Ms Murphy has no reasonable PROOF of this claim!!!!! I have been a voter for years and let the people decide, I beleive u will find that the peoples resisitance is FOR Voter ID. U give me proof that Voter ID would not give our election more INTEGRITY!!!!! Would this not insure that UNLAWFUL citizen to vote??? The people that do not have the resources is a SMALL amount and I’m sure these problems could be rectified BUT the MAJORITY DESERVE THAT THE LEGAL VOTER is the ones VOTING!!! You have no PROOF OF UR CLAIM

    • http://conservitybyte duke

      Hey you Moron,try to enter a Federal Building whithout a poto ID.More than likely you are probabaly a convicted felon or an Illegal Alien.

      • Midwest

        the secret to all is hold elections in all federal buildings. Case closed Archie Bunker

    • Nancy

      “. . . voter ID laws discourage voting and disenfrancise minority groups disproportionately . . . ”

      In what way? When you register to vote, you are presented with a voter I.D. card. When you learn to drive, you are given a driver’s license. If you do not drive, you can easily obtain an I.D. card from the DMV. Identification is very easy for anyone to obtain. Poor people can get them, minorities can get them, the elderly can get them. Voter I.D. does NOT disinfranchise anyone.

    • True American

      So why are “minorities” so upset about having to produce a photo ID? Is it because that keeps them from voting twice, using a dead persons ID, living in another state and voting more than once, afraid it may show they are convicted felons who aren’t permitted to vote BY LAW, unless their rights have been re-instated by a court, maybe because they have a warrant for their arrest pending? Get a life!!! If you want to vote legally, then follow the law. The American Criminal Lovers Union (ACLU) need to go to the countries where peoples rights are TRULY being denied and tell those governemnts to change. I believe everybody knows what would happen to the ACLU!!!!!

      • frustrated American

        Minorities are not upset at having to provide voter Id, the politically active organizations that supposedly represent minorities are. The same organizations that rip off the minorities they are supposed to represent. Funny, they represent but I have never heard of them having an election to head those minorities. I have heard of them shving money off the top to pay for mistresses and drugs and stuff tho.

      • RED-WHITE-BLUE

        I actually watched a video, where people used dead people*s names to vote. Naturally, it was a Dem. voting location. Buying cigarettes? Show me your photo I.D. Buying some beer? Show me your photo I.D. Voting for a President? No photo I.D. required. Another joke, by the A.C.L.U.

    • Joan

      Larry – aren’t you quick to jump on a story line? How does voter ID laws discourage voting whether you are a miority or not, why don’t the minorities have ID’s? I have to show a ID almost on everything I do, writing checks, traveling, credit cards, or just state ID’s. Even my grandchildren have state ID’s. Why don’t the minorities have ID’s unless they are illegal and not allowed to vote?

    • stillsane

      Give me a break. Of course they are defending voter fraud. If they weren’t they wouldn’t come out with the specious arguments against voter ID. The letters ACLU stand for American Criminal Liberties Union. You can rest assured when they go to a check cashing place to cash their welfare check they need ID.

    • Mike Geraci

      Your comment is ridiculous. If you were to be believed, minorities would not fly because the need photo ID to do so. They would not collect food stamps or welfare because they need photo ID to do so. In New York, they couldn’t get a library card without some form of ID. Yet you and the Liberal geniuses are willing to allow those who can not prove their right to vote to cast their vote because you believe that vote will go your way. Is there nothing you fools won’t do to maintain power?

    • http://bellsouth Duke

      Larry, We must have voter ID to verify the legal status of voters. As a Vet, I stood behind the freedoms and a legal government. Votes that are cast are a representation of a vote for a candidate that is qualified to hold an office and these votes must be verified or we just as well not vote. It must be an American, breathing leagal citizen of the US. No ID, NO VOTE!!

    • tymtrvlr

      Larry, get a clue. If it disenfranchises the lazy, illegal, multiple voters then it is doing what it was intended to do. You and your marxist brethren have perverted our election system for decades, it had foisted socialism and marxism on an unwitting public, it poisoned the Capitalist system with overbearing welfare system that promoted more parasites to join the league. Why work if you can sit on your lazy a$$ and have someone else support you. You and your marxist ideology are the problem, not the cure for what is wrong with America today. You are promoting slavery out one side of your mouth while condemning it out the other. Get a job, even if it means doing the job your marxist kind figure you marxist are to high and mighty to do. Do it or don’t eat, it is that simple, I am tired of supporting your lazy a$$e$.

    • Ken

      If only legal registered voters voted, the democrats would never win another election.

      • emerutil

        True. Only those who have something to gain at the expense of the rest of us would support the Demoncrats!

    • seb

      I guess these people who don’t want to show identy are not registered voters so………………..they are commiting fraud !

    • Dingbat36

      It amounts to the same thing, Larry, no matter how you slice it. The ACLU’s arguments were stunningly disingenuous plus totally fallacious. I don’t know a person who does not have a proper photo ID and that includes my 18 year old grandson who has a driver’s license and a photo ID issued by his high school. (My children had them over 40 years ago!!).

      The ACLU’s argument was so full of holes that a high school debater with any brains could have shot them down. What an incredible pile of reeking equine fecal matter.

      • Louis

        dingbat36, I like the term you used to describe the ACLU AND THOSE PATHETIC SOCIALIST LEFT LIBERALS who can’t make it in life even when it’s handed to them on a golden platter. equine fecal matter, I love it.

    • Nick

      The only people whom it discourages are a) those ineligible to vote (mainly felons, illegal aliens and those under age 18) and b) those too lazy to get some form of photo ID. And don’t even try to talk of old and infirm people who can’t go to (e.g.) a motor vehicle licensing center to get either a license of a legally-recognized photo non-driver ID. Many states – Georgia, for example – will send a team to your home in such a case, free, to do it. All it needs is a federal mandate 1) requiring photo ID to vote, and 2) requiring all states which don’t do the home service to follow those like Georgia.

      Sure, that’s as likely as the pope suddenly saying he was wrong about contraception. No politician of any party will risk losing the lazy/Hispanic/black/illegal/felon/juvenile vote, and the predictable barrage of epithets about racism.

      While we’re on the subject: To vote (legally!) you must be a citizen. Unless born here, you would have acquired citizenship by naturalization. To be naturalized you must pass a test, including demonstrating “An ability to read, write and understand English in common use” (Naturalization law). So WHY OH WHY are voter instructions in the newspapers printed in English and Spanish? And if Spanish, why not Swahili, Tagalog, Farsi, Hindi, Norwegian and Faroese, plus the other 200+ languages of the countries of origin of immigrants?

      That is, of course, a rhetorical question. After pressure from the ACLU, Maldef, La Raza and other Hispanic pressure groups, the politicians, anxious for the Hispanic vote, bowed and mandated the publishing of that information in Spanish (and, very occasionally, Vietname in some of the heavily-Viet. city areas.)

    • BIN

      Larry – You are an idiot. Voter laws do NOT discourage minorities or anyone from voting. Don’t you have any ID or a drivers license? That is all you need to be able to vote. Hell you don’t even need the voters registration card anymore. Just a drivers license. Do you have any of those items Larry? Are you a complete dumb ass like all liberals or YOUR ACLU dead beats? You are pathetic.
      Here is the solution. Take people like yourself, and the useless ACLU loosers, “double tap” all of you, wrap you up nice and neat, then dunp you in the ocean next to BIN!
      Trash like you is what is dragging the rest of us down in the gutter. Go waste yourself please.

    • Wayne Peterkin

      Anytime anyone supports policies that discourage validating a voter’s registration or eligibility, they are supporting voter fraud, whether intentionally or as a consequence. Minorities who are eligible citizens should have access to a birth certificate as well as a form of ID to prove their identity at a polling place. If they are unwilling to demonstrate that proof, they are choosing to disenfranchise themselves. Therefore, the accusation against the ACLU seems quite fair to me. Then again, since the ACLU generally supports the left-wing agenda, such accusations are hardly surprising.

      • ET53

        “Proper ID” often requires a lot of money. In Chattanooga, TN, for instance, they had a lady in her 90′s who was told she could not get a picture ID without a birth certificate -she was born at home, nor if she could not produce a wedding certificate or death certificate for the husband she outlived and changed her name when she got married the second time. She was told it could cost her close to $200 to get the “proper ID”. Tell me that was not voter intimidation and disenfranchisement and I have a bridge for sale.

        • Bob de Grouch

          Ok! One rare instance. You happy now STUPID! That’s right, I’m TRYING to insult you. You deserve to be insulted. You obviously have no appreciation of how rare those circumstances you have cited really are. I would offer that poor lady my apologies for having that one law that discriminates against her.
          Oh, and by the way, does that lady have a social security card?
          Considering the fact that the SSA requires a valid photo ID to obtain a social security card (personal experience) please explain to us once more about the poor lady’s problem. STUPID!

        • Disgusted

          It’s not intimidation–It’s a comedy of errors on her part for not keeping good records. It’s called personal responsibility. How did she get married a second time without proper ID? Give us a break. ET–Phone home and get a ride off the planet.

    • BohdanUke1

      Get out of our country, you freak.

    • BohdanUke1

      Get out of our country, you freak. You and your kind have polluted this country enough.

    • Louis

      Larry, If you didn’t want the use of fraud in our elections you would want to make sure that all citizens of this country are proven to be legalized citizens in order to vote . Anyone who beleaves otherwise is a fraud to begin with. You obviously want the right to defraud the system. I want a foolproof voting system in this country now!!!!!!!!

      • Dan Talbot

        How come democraps defend their insistence on registration and I.D. for gun ownership but not for voting? HYPOCRITES !!! Of course, their objective is transparent: to create mischief in the vote tallying process in favor of their favorite goons. Why don’t they decry the horrible inconvenience of having an I.D. to drive a car? Same answer, of course. But to vote? Such an inconvenience and a racist one at that? Shut up will ya, stupid lying liberals.

    • Randy

      Yup….they can show an I.D. to buy beer, drive a car or cash that check but can’t show one to vote…typical Liberal BS. Make voter I.D. MANDATORY to vote or don’t let them vote, very simple. If they can’t read, then they have no reason to be voting anyway…blame the teachers, the public school system or the teacher unions, but don’t blame citizen’s that want only fair votes counted.

      • ET53

        Poll taxes by any other name are still poll taxes. When the law requires someone to pay a fee to vote, as is the case with most voter ID laws, that is unconstitutional. For example,in TN they say the card itself is free. The transportation to get to the DMV for that voter ID is not included nor is the cost of getting a copy of a birth certificate or change of name because of marriage. All of these costs are prohibitive for many seniors or the poor and disabled. Proving the need for an exemption is almost as hard unless you are a resident in a nursing home.
        In this day of moving to where jobs are or being foreclosed upon and changing addresses repeatedly, matching an address to a voting precinct is often quite difficult and makes having the proper ID expensive to get as voter rolls are matched not just by name but by address many times, and any changes are often lost in the mail or again having an ID card of any kind that needs to be repeatedly updated- often at a charge.
        As to being illiterate, that was a primary means of voter intimidation before 1965. The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, required states to have public schools to provide for an educated electorate. It did not demand literacy to vote ;however.

        • Bob de Grouch

          Do you have any intelligence at all? If a person isn’t literate, how the hell are they going to be able to vote. You have to be able to read the names on the ballot. You have to be able to read the descriptions of the changes in various laws and/or new taxes which are being put before the voters. You keep bringing up the State of Tennessee as your example, so I can only hope and pray that you are not an example of what the public education system in TN is turning out. People of Tennessee, please find this individual and float him/her down river to Mexico.

    • Royce/Oklahoma

      Yes they did defend voter fraud and they are liars and so are you. Explain yourself, if you are a legal citizen. , then how can voter Id discourage healthy voting, explain that wise ass, . If your legal and have nothing to hide and are not running from the law, then pull out your Id qne vote. Or get the hell out or my country.

    • bobr

      The only thing one doesn’t need a piture ID is to get into a voting booth! The argument that photo ID discourages voting and disenfrancise minority is a totally ridiculous foolhardy statement. Next time I get stopped by a police officer, maybe I’ll just tell him to forget it when asked for my picture ID on my drivers license! See where that would get me….Larry, BE REAL AND WAKE UP TO THE REAL WORLD!

    • EHeassler, USN-Ret.

      Proper ID reduces voter turnout? B.S.!

      • Disgusted

        It would only reduce illegal voter turnout, which is what it is supposed to do. This country has become so blatant in its dishonor that they aren’t even trying to hide it anymore.

    • Ron G

      RE: “What they said was that voter ID laws discourage voting and disenfrancise minority groups disproportionately. That is true.”

      It is also ‘true’ that lazy, stupid people who won’t/can’t get to the polls to vote also won’t/can’t get a valid form of identification.

      Voting is a privilege not a right. I say ‘privilege’ because the government, as in the case of driver’s licences, can deny someone the right to vote.

      For example, the government will deny you the right to vote more than one. The government will deny you the right to vote if you are not old enough. The government will deny you the right to vote if you are not in the right precinct or state.

      So, why the uproar around making sure that a voter is an eligible voter? Or, does the ACLU want to NOT have any restrictions on age, location or number of times that a voter can vote.

      What ‘voter system’ do they propose? Or, are they simply objecting to any system that has any rules?

      • Bob de Grouch

        Those last two sentences cover it precisely.

    • Dora Gourley

      We always presented either a voter card or a drivers license and one piece of mail.
      It didn’t slow any body down that much. And it got rid of those dead folks voting and the ones who tried to vote twice…once for the old address and once for the new.

    • http://www.UncommonSenseNow.com Tom Ballantyne

      Larry,
      It is an inescapable fact that not requiring voter ID (as well as proof of citizenship at the time of registration) is a formula for fraud. It is absurd to even be having this “debate.” The fact that requiring those things may impact “minorities” (does that include women, etc.?), is absolutely irrelevant. Are you suggesting that “minorities” can’t keep track of such basic documents to the same degree as those of different skin color?
      I also can’t resist pointing out, Larry, that those on your side of this “argument” (if it could reasonably be called such) also defend to the death the idea that the commander in chief, the guy with the nuclear launch codes, shouldn’t have to prove his own citizenship…and, for the record, Lar, posting a digital document on a myspace page won’t get you a driver’s license or Social Security number. (Try it, and let me know how that turns out for you!) Just to end this nice discussion, Larry, can you suggest one rational reason why requiring proper ID should not be mandatory…other than the absurd notion that it somehow “discourages” minorities from voting? If it does, then we truly have a low bar for citizenship these days…but, of course, you favor that as well!

    • http://conservativebyte.com Frank J. Randazzo

      to larry What the lead in to the story says and your analogy is the same thing. you lefties lie so much that you don’t know the difference between a statement and a lie.

    • patriot2

      larry you are so full of crap it’s coming out your ears.by not defending voter ID they ARE defending voter fraud.I hope you are one of those idiots that walk into banks being robbed,you need to be a statistic.

    • Ginzo

      YOU HAVE TO PRODUCE ID TO BUY ALCOHOL AND CASH A CHECK WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH YOU #%&!? UNLESS YOU ARE PULLING A FAST ONE .

    • Tarheel Hawkeye

      “That is true” you say? How can you back up that statement? Proof, please.

    • NancyJ

      Pay closer attention!!!! One person, one vote. (Unless you are a Democrat)

    • ET53

      Well said, Larry

    • Hardtack

      What’s so tough about showing an ID – it’s required all over the place – so why not show it to vote? The fact that a big fuss is being made about it gives me the sense that there is a element in our country that thrives on crooked elections.

    • Rick Johnson

      BULLSH#$ There is not a person of voting age alive today who has not had to present some sort of ID in their life for some reason. You cannot operate in today’s society without a photo ID. EVERY state which passed a photo ID voting law has made previsions for EVERYONE without an ID to get FREE ID. You claim is just a way for those in support of voter fraud to spin it as if it was a civil rights issue. When in reality you and others like you know that if there was ever 100% photo ID requirements across the US the liberal wing would never win another national election.

    • Lane

      Call it phony, but ID’s should be mandatory and the ACLU does not agree. Of course, everyone needs an ID for almost every instance of their normal day to day actions. I doubt you could find many without an ID of some sort. But, some think that when it comes to voting, a few more votes that have no accountability, will be just fine. Has only to do with what is right and fair.

    • boone

      dude you and people like you are full of crap and the ACLU ARE NOTHING BUT COMMIE BASTARDS. LIKE YOU YOU MORON.

    • guestresponder

      My only reply is to conservative byte. where are the thumbs up or down or the like or dislike If I agree I will click on the appanswer other wise why should I have to rewrite almosthe very same thing I agree with.

    • niles

      You can spin it anyway you want. They have been against voter Id from the start. You have to have an ID to checkout a book at the library. Wake up from your zombie like trance and face reality….OEO-OEO-O

    • Don

      You may be right because the ones witout any valid citizenship and are able to meet the actual requirements wouldn’t be allowed to vote. This way Obama can’t cheat again!

    • LarryG

      Minorities, (the poor, the ones you’re talking about ‘disenfranchising), have to have ID to get their welfare checks. BOOM!

      • Hank

        AGREE !!!

    • Mustang

      Hey Larry——–Do you feel better now that you have put up your talking points for the “Disenfranchised?” They can buy TV’s Beer, Whiskey, Mary Jane, etc but they can’t get a state I.D. card. Who the h3 ll do you think you are kidding? Go talk to the other donkeys in your club but not to the people that understand that the Democrats and Obama have to have it crooked or he will be out on his A $$

    • Hank

      Do minorities know how to get driver license ?
      Its no deference to get voters ID .
      If you drive you need DRIVER LICENSE .!!!
      If you are real American and want to VOTE you need VOTERS ID .
      YOU Disenfranchise America if you don’t , I’m tired of the stupid excuses ACLU is making for all the frauds in this country.

    • Hank

      Larry ,does driver license discourage you from driving .?
      You sound like a moron .!!!!!!

    • http://verizon.net budman

      Larry: Nice try but you know this isn’t the case and you cannot do hardly anything today with proof of who you are. Did the last election for President disenfranchise the black vote? Were there thousands of black voters illegally registered to vote who were felons or not eligible to vote in multiple districts or multiple times? I think this was proven in the recent investigation in the states of Illinois and Indiana.
      The Governor’s of many states are finally doing what should have been done long ago to stop the Democrats from stealing elections and you cannot deny that is exactly what they have been doing. Minnesota and Nevada are two recent examples where there were more Democrat votes in Minnesota than voters in one district and the voting machines rigged in Nevada to reflect a vote for Reid only plus using the illegal immigrant vote. He even stated he would use the illegal vote to win and precisely why something must be done to stop the illegal votes when they openly brag about it.

    • JVB

      The same people who are threatened by the voter ID law have NO problem coming up with the ID required to get food stamps, rent assistance, healthcare, dental care, utility assistance, and transportation assistance.

      • Marylamb

        You do not need photo id to get food stamps, medicaid, etc. Guess you guys overlooked that one. People who don’t drive or have checking or credit cards just don’t need a photo id. VEry simple. I drive and have a good amount of money, I vote and of course I have a photo Id. No problem for me or probably you. Our country is not built on photo id. That was in those fascists country that Obama is allegedly building. Hey and I’m not a commie, union, gov worker, doper, or stupid (the usual reason for anyone who disagrees with you). Just a nice Christian lady who no longer votes for an extremist party aka Republican. Bet you don’t fit in any of those categories either. Welcome brother.

        • http://verizon.net budman

          You might want to reconsider your staunch support of the Democrats and moving to another party such as Independent because one in six Democrats are leaving and moving to either the Independent or Republican Party. I firmly believe they will be a minority party for the next presidential election and that the Independent party will be larger than it.
          The fact is, the Democratic Party has moved so far left that the Conservatives feel they no longer have a voice and are leaving.
          How you can support a party that has been stealing elections for decades is beyond me. You sound like my father who voted Democrat right down the line without looking at what the candidate stood for.

    • Jonesman

      Phoney headlines are very common for any communication by the fringe element of a party. The extreme liberal (who extreme right guys/gals call terrorist) and extrement right wing people thrive on exagerration to prove their preconceived opinions. Facts are inconvenient. 10-16% of voters to be dis-enfranchised by voter ID. No, Virginia everyone does not have a driver’s license, passport (or in Texas Concealed gun permit). Seniors make up a large %. If they don’t have Birth Cert, must pay to get one and then find a state office that is open and somewhat nearby (they don’t drive) to obtain the photo id (usually $10-15 but some states free). Students – don’t drive and student id’s not accepted – ditto with seniors to get id. Then we have those ‘minorities’ just poor. They don’t drive, have a checking account or credit card and no photo id. Not required for what they do (do have SSN but no photo). So like it or not these groups will have a very difficult time voting. So who cares, we prevent undocumented fraud. If there is so much fraud, why has it not been documented and prosecuted. FL which has the most stringent voter registration and ID laws had 3 cases of fraud in last 7 years. Those busloads of dead people voting could be ‘caught’ with much simpler procedures in place than photo id. But Republicans have been wanting photo id for 30 years. Now they are getting it in many states. These facts are irrlevant to extremists of either party. So speaking in the wind. Disclaimer: I’m not a commie, union, gov worker, moocher, doper but just a normal Christian mom who has sex often with her husband for reasons other than procreation using contraception. Have voted Republican plenty of times but won’t given that the party has been hijacked by extremists who believe facts belong to losers.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      @Larry: Don’t be so naive! “Opponents argue these laws decrease voter turnout and disenfranchise minority voters.” Quite the contrary: I feel that the voter fraud is SO bad, that I have thoughts of no longer voting; so in essence, these fraudulent schemes keep the normal ‘joe’ from believing that their vote counts any longer.

      If I have to show an ID to get on a plane, receive welfare, get food stamps, or get a library card, SURELY, it ought to be demanded before I vote. Get a grip Larry…the ACLU is out to undermine this Republic; have no doubt about that. They are a marxist, communist lead group who sides with ‘fairness’ and ‘equality’ when it suits their agenda. Pukes is what they really are.

    • http://AOL Dewey Landrum

      The only ones that it will discourage is the ones that can’t vote more than one time. There are over two million dead people registered to vote. Now who is going to use their ballot? Dead people don’t vote. There are thousands of people registered to vote in more than one state. I don’t mind showing an I.D. to vote. Why should any law abiding citizen object to showing an ID except the ones that intend to committ voter fraud ?

    • http://msn tony

      Let me get this straight,,, you need a photo id to buy cold medicine but you can vote without one,, please tell me where that makes sense?

    • Catzpaw

      Yes, voter I.D. laws will decrease voter turnout, all the voters who are voting fraudulently. That is the point of these laws.

    • frank1737

      Larry, as a Vietnam Vet, I wish I had you as a lead partner so I could exercise Friendly Fire by putting a bullet through yolur stupid head

    • Nanette

      And where in the heck are you getting your info from, mainstream, in Obama’s front pocket, news media! The so called disadvantage, usually have to have some form of ID to get public help, which most are on! Many states are offering free Ids, so let’s be real!! The ACLU, is also progressive left and all for voter fraud to get Obama re-elected, FACT!

    • John

      Very nice comment Larry. Isn’t the headline deceptive? Therefore dishonest, thus untrustworthy of future acknowledgment of anything coming from conservativebyte? What the saying, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me? This tactic seems to be prevalent amongst most news outlets which is sad because although it may temporarily boost someone’s pay it will ultimately ruin all credibility. I totally agree with you.

    • Kenai

      Larry,
      It can also be said that people have been discouraged from driving if they are required to get a drivers license. So, does that mean we should just let those people drive without requiring a license?
      You are, yet another liberal idiot!

    • GINGER G

      gee. what a hardship to get a photo ID..takes one to do allllllllllsorts of things…guess that doesn;t matter eh?

    • Patrick Henry

      Larry, the ACLU only fights for the Liberal ideals, but are against anything Conservative. They are very inconsistent and we pay taxes for this biased organization. Voter ID doesn’t disenfrancise anyone, it’s just propaganda to stop it because most of the voter fraud is by Illegal aliens and others that mostly vote Democrat. I didn’t hear the ACLU say a word about the Black Panthers keeping Whites from voting, did you? How about Acorn?

    • trishywishy

      Whenever you go to a bank, doctor, the liquor store, get hired at a new job, the Motor Vehicle Adm. , cashing a check, and many other places of business require a photo ID, Drivers license, or other form of identification for many different reasons. If you go to the drugstore to buy Sudafed, they card you!! Voting should be NO different. Senior citizens as well as anyone else can to the the MVA and get a photo ID for free or next to nothing. The law should require free ID’S for that specific reason. It should not disenfranchise anyone, it should in fact make them feel protected and secure in the democratic privilege of voting. Now we have to be politically correct to vote?? Please give it a rest, some of us have had enough of the bull!

    • Bob de Grouch

      Somebody is gonna have to explain to me what is so terrible about being required to produce a valid photo ID along with their voter registration card when they show up at the polls to cast their vote. I can understand why someone wanting to cheat, or cast an illegal vote would not want that as a requirement. Want to exercise your right to vote, then identify yourself properly and lawfully, so none of us get cheated. Don’t like to play fair, then move to Cuba or Venzeuala(sp).

    • BRENDA copley

      how is this possible, you need ID to cash a check, get food stamps, get a driver’s license,to buy beer and cigarettes. So indeed, every american needs an ID, if you don’t have one, go to DMV and get one for free. Stop saying monorities shouldnt have to provide ID to vote, they, along with every other ameican, have to have ID everything in the United States of America. It is just another way of OBAMA saying, blacks are stupid, and i am White. Obama needs the illegal votes and the votes of dead people to win. We need to send him back to Kenya where he was born, as his grandmother said.

    • Frenchy

      Larry, the headline cut to the chase and said what the ACLU was actually doing which is what the ACLU is always trying to do, undermine the stability of the United States. You say the headline was missleading and I say the (ACLU) American Civil Liberty Union is purposely missleading with their name

    • Michael

      If the minority population is too stupid to get proper identification, then they don’t deserve to vote. Too many of them are felons and aren’t qualified to vote. Only criminals are afraid of laws.

    • PointBlank

      Yeah, it “disenfranchises” the dirtbags who are defrauding the election process, so they ARE defending voter fraud. You have to have an ID to buy beer or cigarettes so the idea that it is asking too much of the voter is bull.
      Of course the democraps rely on voter fraud don’t they?

    • Disguste

      If people are not willing to provide legal ID, then they must be hiding something and if so, maybe they have no right to vote.

      Why would minority groups be disenfranchised?

    • Raptor

      The ACLU’s position merely highlights the fact, that just like in the last election, Obama will be counting on a measure of fraudulant votes to secure his presidency. If someone is truly interested in voting they will obtain a photo ID – voting is a privilege and deserves a little effort.

    • Paul

      If one must and I should say they should prove they are able to vote and should prove they are qualified to Vote must produce Photo valid ID in order to vote at the booth in order to cast their vote.
      Now lets go further, one must prove that they can vote in a State of Presidential Election
      I feel that the one they are voting for should produce documents that they are qualified under the Constitution to run for the office which the people are voting for them to occupy. I imply that Obama has not produced proper proof that he meets the qualifications to be sitting in the WHITE HOUSE AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF !

    • Larry Cherry

      The ACLU ti’s a fraud in it’s self. They well do anything to get left wing voted in to continue to give AMERICA away to those who have not earn the right to be an American and it;s benefits.

    • cjm

      Sorry, Larry, but the argument against Voter ID Laws presented by ACLU does defend their stance to prevent these laws from coming into existence. How does having a Voter ID disenfranchise anyone or prevent them from entering a polling booth when you have to present ID for many things we do on a daily basis? Your defense of the ACLU provides no substance to the issue.

    • Charlie

      Obviously, Larry, you failed to listen to the video presentation here, and only read the brief written article at the top of this page. Besides, if voter ID laws discourage voting and disenfranchise–(note your spelling of this word) minority groups, it must be bacause they have something to hide. Why wouldn’t you be in favor of doing everything to PREVENT voter fraud and want to promote FAIR elections???? Oh, I forgot!—-you are a Liberal!

    • George

      Are you really that blind ; defending the ACLU ? How long have you had this ; ( being ignorant ) ; problem ? WAKE UP ‘ ; take the blinders ‘ off .

    • camntx

      to get an id in TX costs @16$, not a great deal of money even on welfare ~ I work at a liquor store and have people pull out there “star card” (food stamps) looking for their debt card to pay for their 1/2 gallon size Ciroc Vodka…I don’t think it is out of line to expect people to pay for an ID card for voting and other things….

    • Maynard Merrell

      Larry: At one time voters had to prove that they could read before they could vote, and this was for two reasons: 1) If a person cannot read a news paper or magazine, and other material, then the only knowledge he would have as to voting as a responsible person, is whta someone whispered into his. 2) He could be coached and memorize the necessary box to be checked. This is why some election boards change the posisions of candidates on a ballot box.

    • slide & glide

      My mother died at 81, she never had a drivers license, but she did have a learners permit with a photo ID. In this day and age I can’t imagine anyone that is really eligible to vote does not have some type of photo ID. This is a totally stupid Democrat scam so that they can stuff the ballot boxes with dead people votes.

    • Bill Lee

      It shows that the ACLU is Obama’s pocket which is not surprising. American Civil Liberties Union….isn’t that supposed to say something in their name? For AMERICANS not MEXICANS, protecting civil LIBERTIES, like voting for instance. The only reason they or anyone else would not want to require proof of citizenship LIKE ANY OTHER public agency would to verify that this person is you, would be because they want Obama to win this time around. Plain and simple. FIGHT FOR VOTER ID!

    • allen

      They have to show proof of identity when they pick up their food stamps. So why not when they vote as well. This is proof, the democrats don’t want identity laws in polling stations. Cause that means they can’t cheat.

    • http://hats392.blogspot.com Chief_Cabioch

      the ACLU defends anything, that will undermine the US Constitution, simply because it’s founder, was a Communist, and like ALL pinko commies and Liberals, and muslims, HATE the US Constitution….., the fact is, most states that have enacted voter ID laws, registration went UP, not down……just more Lies from the left, and media to try and unbalance the scales…….

    • Rock

      I found a Mexican Voter ID card that is required to vote in Mexico.
      It has a color photo on the front with Individual data and where they can vote. The back has fingerprint.
      BUT hey come to america and vote without ID and change the way america is run.
      Why don’t we just give them 10 bucks and vote for the DEMOCRATIC PARTY MACHINE for them… just like they have done in Chicago for 100 plus years.

      No sense in changing parties in Chicago it is the city that works and works over the voters time and again. Obama knows he learned in Chicago how get the vote out.
      Our kids complete highschool but can’t read. Our taxes are the highest in the USA.
      I will vote for Obama this time just to give all of you what want, a country that can’t work, won’t work work, and no work for those who want it. I promise to vote and vote often, ….promise

    • Dan

      Disenfrancise minority is just the lefts key wordsa for dead voters.

    • Chuck

      Larry, please provide the source(s) that support(s) your claim that it is true, “voter ID laws discourage voting and disenfrancise minority groups disproportionately.” I do not know of any studies that support your claim. In fact, common sense should indicate this claim to be false. Common sense also supports the article’s claim that the “ACLU Defends Fraud,” or at least supports the opportunity for voter fraud to occur.

    • jetstream

      Come to Chicago and we’ll make a liar out of you.

    • stealthy1

      The elections are still 9 months away, if a group of people can’t get a valid government issued id in that amount of time, then that group is too stupid to vote anyway.

    • http://n/a jkdriss

      How is that true? Minorities do not have ID cards? They do not have access to ID cards? The use of this word disproportionately is the biggest scam going. Only a group of people with no respect for themselves use the word racism and blame whites because they have not went and got an ID card. I can not believe that anyone would want to sacrafise their voter identity to push this issue. Anyone can walk into a polling place, Identify themself as any person on that list and vote. How ludicrous. Is it going to be racist to show an ID at the bank and prove ownership of an account before withdrawing money next? I think if you cannot pass a test on civics, rights and responsibilities, American history, and the constitution you should be shown the back door.

    • allen

      larry..this has nothing to do with minorities..NOTHING…if you are not a citizen you do not get to vote..and yea..you have to be alive too..unlike the a$$holes in Illnois who let dead people vote!!!

    • Jon

      Larry. If one is not to Vote Twice, or more, or have there DEAD mother vote, one not only should but must be#1 An AMERICAN, #2 on the Book’s as being Alive, #3 being reg. to Vote in the Area that THEY vote in, #4 BE ABLE TO PROVE ALL THE ABOVE!
      FVCK the ACLU!

    • FLChristyB

      Why don’t you explain to us what minorities don’t have ID’s, and why. Anyone who is a legal citizen of the United State has to show ID for a multitude of things they have to do every day. Drive, work, collect welfare, cash a check, use a credit card….please explain where these thousands or millions of people are that cannot produce some sort of identification. So far all we hear in the media is rhetoric without substance, and have never heard them give a real statistic on just who would be disenfranchised and why. They make theses blanket statement about the elderly and minorities with absolutely no proof to back it up. So please Larry, tell us who can’t provide ID and why with reasonable proof….

    • http://none JG

      Cannot understand why any true citizen of the USofA , would mind getting an id card nuless of course they have something to hide that might come. My wife and I had to show drivers lic to register. In all four states I have voted in Ga,Ca,OR,FL. I would think it my duty to prove who am to vote,

      Of course that not going to stop the ballot stuffing like the Dailey machine

    • Debbie

      I understood what they were saying, and I don’t want those minorities voting if they have something to hide. I see nothing wrong with showing ID

    • paxcat

      How does requiring id “disenfranchise” minority groups? You state this is “true,” but where is the proof?

    • Joanie B

      Should a person not have the ability to have a friend or relatives assist
      them to get themselves an ID be they unable to do it themselves (which is unlikely unless they are mentally ill) – then they are not qualified to
      vote. One should know what they are doing.
      The City will assist anyone as well. Dems want fraud as no morals.
      We were Dems for three generations…too embarrassed now to say we are Dems. They have become the low lifes of USA for the most part.
      Joanie B
      Wi

    • Rickoff

      Perhaps the real reason that Barry Soetoro/Obama wants to kill voter I.D. laws is not only to capture the Latino vote, but also because he would not be able to obtain a valid I.D. to vote for himself if he used his faked birth certificate as “proof” of U.S. citizenship.

      Vote fraud is a huge problem in the United States, and while votes representing dead people and ineligible people are pervasive and notorious examples, the worst kind of vote fraud is that which takes place entirely out of sight. Electronic voting, electronic vote recording, and electronic vote tallying leaves the door wide open to the type of fraud that can easily sway an election either during or after the voting process. Everyone should watch the video “Hacking Democracy” to understand what we are up against, and why our votes really don’t count. See it here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7926958774822130737

    • Shellie

      It is not a question of “disproportionality” of voter fraud. There should be NONE.(period)
      Identifying the “legal voter ” is required for accuracy of the VOTE. Without striving for “legal voting”, we could have that annoying little thing called “ANARCHY” !!!
      Look it up. Remember to Vote on Nov 6, 2012. Bring proof of your “legal status”. Bring family, friends and neighbors too! Wake up America. Our country is gradually being lost. Does anyone care ???

    • el_loco_jp

      “Opponents argue these laws decrease voter turnout.” They are correct! Look how many illegal voters don’t get to vote multiple times.

    • Debra

      I think what she said was that blacks and latinos are to stupid to know thier names and date of birth, because thier to busy shooting up and drinking welfare money. F ck allah and ovomit.

    • BUCK OFAMA

      Larry

      You and the other Liberal dis-enchanted are what is wrong with this country. Your lack of simple common sense is astounding but not unexpected. Under your socialistic agenda, it would allow “anyone” residing in the US to have a voice in who leads our citizens, our country and the world powers it wields? Anyone? Illegals? How bout terrorists or infiltrators of enemy nations? How would you… oh that’s right… ANYONE should be allowed to vote, American or not. I forgot.

      Yes, you prove Liberalism is a mental disorder saturated with an embedded entitlement mentality that breeds the very political corruption we experience on a daily basis in the country anymore. Perhaps you would agree to a SOCIALIST MANDATE that every State be required to issue authenticating ID cards to all those who can not afford the $10.00 to get one from the Dept of Motor Vehicles? Oh yeah, they don’t have birth certificates to get that program started, right? Well, that doesn’t seem to bother Liberals… if the leader of the free world doesn’t have to produce one, no one should.

      It is assinine to believe that anyone/everyone be allowed to vote in America… NO OTHER COUNTRY ALLOWS that. It is more a priviledge, than a right. If you wants rights, prove you are entitled. ~Buck U. Ofama

    • TOM DUNNE

      YOUR POINT IS BOGUS.IF YOU DONT HAVE TO PROVE YOU ARE LEGAL TO VOTE,ANY ONE CAN VOTE.THAT IS HOW WE GOT OBAMA. EVEN THE PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES HAVE TO PROVE THEY ARE CITIZENS. OR DO THEY??

    • Donna

      Seems to me that these poor minority groups are the folks who disproportiably able to figure out how to get fake ids and oodles of the freebies the government offers should be able to also figure how to get a legal picture id if eligible for one. Or should they just wait around for someone like the ACLU to hold their hand and bring them one. I wish people would quit facilitating irresponsibility!

    • http://conservativebyte Melanie Burns

      Bull!!! You have to have an ID to cash a pay check or welfare check. You have to have an ID to get your SSI check and get free public housing and or food stamps too. Those that do not have or are unable to obtain an ID probally are not legal.

    • Saj

      The ACLU’s opposition to the voter id laws implies they defend the fraud. They state they oppose these kinds of laws because they decrease voter turnout and disenfranchise minority voters. What other reason can there be for not wanting to verify your identification. Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

    • http://www.yahoo.com LiberalDisgust

      Larry , you are picking nits ….anyone who votes should be required to provide ID , you must have a license ( ID ) to drive , an ID to cash a check even the welfare check ….. Anyone who doesn’t understand Voter ID will stop vote fraud has ulterior motives

    • Luis Zuniga

      Larry, your opinion is respectable, but opinions not sustained by evidence or rational explanation lack any value. Why proper identification at balloting discorage voting or disenfranchise minority groups? Officials need to identify that every voter is legally qualified to vote and must leave evidence that that voter already issued his/her vote. It is a matter of fairness and integrity for the balloting process. The only reason somebody may reject to show an ID at voting time is that such individual either is an illegal immigrant or is legally disqualied to vote. When buying by credit card at any retail store, everyone is demanded an ID, which is a far less important procedure, so, why not showing it at voting. I believe that a decent and honest citizen would not want either an illegal resident or a fellon being able to issue a vote. I belong to a minority group and I am not neither disenfranchised nor discouraged by being requested an ID at the voting booth.

    • Doc

      The Left has NEVER made up stories about the Right Wing, if you believe that your all ID10TS

      • BUCK OFAMA

        If you really believe that… you are the major problem in this country.

        The truth is ALL political allies LIE about the other side. It is the root of Political Corruption to distort facts to fit ideological agendas. It is the norm anymore. If you trust your Governemt with your life, you have no real life. Kynda like calling one’s self a doctor… when he has no doctorate,

        Grow up Doc. ~Buck U. Ofama

    • will

      Actually, the article said “Opponents argue these laws decrease voter turnout”, which is true–fewer dead people vote when identification is required.

    • jemala

      Please stop. If you don’t realize the peril that our beloved country is in, I think you are probably part of the problem. Why is it that if we get stopped in our cars, we have to show our id; if we go to a new bank, we have to show our id; if we go to the airport, we have to show our id. What is the big problem with trying to avoid FRAUD in our system? No one is trying to deny ANYONE their right to vote. If you do not have an i.d. of some sort, and you are a citizen of this country, you can easily attain one. Where is your problem with this?

    • Dan Harrington

      It is so botherson to hear the ACLU defended for its transparent effort to allow illegal aliens and dead people to vote. There is no valid arguement that can be made to not require ID to vote for leaders of our country. Do you see Mexico, France, Germany, Russia or any other nation on the planet inviting aliens, legal or not, to vote in their elections? Or not requiring ID? No you don’t because it’s at best ignorant.

    • DBak61

      Regardless of your libtard interpretation, Voter Id does discourage voting: illegal voting. It’s going to cost the libs more than a pack of smokes to buy votes from illegals this time around; though I believe the dead people will still just do mail-in early voting for them.

    • ernest j. chamberlain

      “What they said was that voter ID laws discourage voting and disenfrancise minority groups disproportionately. That is true.” I would assume that you have some real facts to back up your statement? How about putting them here so the rest of us can look and decide for ourselves who is right!

    • Barbara

      How does requiring an ID disenfranchise anyone? Let alone disproportionately? I can’t drive, cash a check, fly on an airplane, buy beer, buy cigarettes, get a loan or do any number of other things without ID. The idea that requiring ID stops minorities or anyone else from voting is absolutely without foundation. It will help curb fraudulent voters and may help ensure that illegals are not voting. It is just one tool in the toolbox. No legal citizen is being prevented from obtaining identification, although many may have decided not to make it a priority.

    • DAVADAR

      Bright as a night light, and as observant as a democrat. Re-read that statement. Here, I’ll paste it here for you
      OPPONENTS argue these laws decrease voter turnout and disenfranchise minority voters. Opponents, not ACLU. See the difference? The point is, there are only two choices here. You either want people to prove their eligibility, or you want illegal immigrants (bought and paid for with entitlements) to vote for the party that pays their bills. EVERYONE gets carded where I vote. Trying to add some racial turn to this is just the ACLU’s modus operandi. The ACLU had their purpose, now they’re lobbyists for special treatment. The ACLU doesn’t want equality, they wanna get PAID.

    • Carl

      Larry, please explain to me how identifing yourself to vote would discourage people from casting their vote in a very important election year. Exactly what is the problem? We must show ID for so, so many other processes.

    • Jackie

      They are fighting voter ID so they are fighting for voter fraud. since the only way to stop voter fraud is to require ID. Requiring ID has never stopped anyone from anything. If you are eligible you vote you already have ID. If not it is simple to obtain. If you really wish to vote it is a simple measure to assure your ability to vote. Requiring ID only stops voter fraud. You cannot intimidate legal voters. You cannot drive without a B.C. so everyone has one. Well except Obama of course. Anyway You need an ID to do most everything so everyone legal already has one. So requiring ID stops no one from voting ever. So the ACLU argument is solely to permit illegal voting period. So they are defending illegal voting.

    • Jackie

      They are fighting voter ID so they are fighting for voter fraud. since the only way to stop voter fraud is to require ID. Requiring ID has never stopped anyone from anything. If you are eligible you vote you already have ID. If not it is simple to obtain. If you really wish to vote it is a simple measure to assure your ability to vote. Requiring ID only stops voter fraud. You cannot intimidate legal voters. You cannot drive without a B.C. so everyone has one. Well except Obama of course. Anyway You need an ID to do most everything so everyone legal already has one. So requiring ID stops no one from voting ever. So the ACLU argument is solely to permit illegal voting period.

    • Jackie

      They are fighting voter ID so they are fighting for voter fraud. since the only way to stop voter fraud is to require ID. Requiring ID has never stopped anyone from anything. If you are eligible you vote you already have ID. If not it is simple to obtain. If you really wish to vote it is a simple measure to assure your ability to vote. Requiring ID only stops voter fraud. You cannot intimidate legal voters. You cannot drive without a B.C. so everyone has one. Well except Obama of course. Anyway You need an ID to do most everything so everyone legal already has one. So requiring ID stops no one from voting ever. So the ACLU argument is solely to permit illegal voting period. So they are defending voter fraud indeed.

  • Patrick Henry

    I cant wait till judgement day when ALL the members of the aclu stand before GOD and try to lawyer there way of that one!!! Oh that will be a long day to remember as everyone else walks the streets of Heaven and they are keeping the fires going down below…Oh what a day!!!

    • http://conservativebyte.com loha

      Amen to that!!!

      • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

        You’re saying “Amen!” to the prospect of sending people to Hell?

        • Peter Ramsey

          God bless America – and to hell with Obama and the liberal corporate elite!

        • d rash

          KUSHIBO,
          Yes, because they give us a “hell on earth” right now. ACLU MEMBERS, HELL IS WHERE THEY BELONG! Can you say, abortion, ie: murder? ACLU supports murder. Yep, hell bound!

        • Joy

          There again We are not sending people to Hell, they are going by their own choice of living without God in their life. It’s their choice and if they choose the High Way to Hell, it was their Choice through they’re own actions.

        • Downunda

          Yes we are saying AMEN to JUDGEMENT DAY. U do know u are held accountable for what u do on this earth???? It’s call SELF RESPONSIBLITY

        • emerutil

          I wish hell upon several people who have ruined me in one way or another. Not Christian, perhaps, but very human. Those who are evildoers should be made to suffer the consequences!

        • Dan Talbot

          Read the bible. It says the majority are going to hell ( Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the
          gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many
          there be which go in thereat:
          Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way,
          which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. )

    • Jenny Mader

      Well, we know Obama can’t be their lawyer and neither can Michelle since they BOTH for some reason have had to surrender their law licenses. Plus I am thinking neither of them will be in Heaven anyway. They can use John Edwards….oh wait, he doesn’t have his license either and he also will he roasting marshmallows with the devil.

    • Dingbat36

      Lawyers don’t go to heaven………..or at least they don’t stay there, I doubt they would get past the pearly gates!!

      • Dan Talbot

        Saint Peter asks most lawyers to wait in “that handbasket over there” while he is processing them.

  • Mike C

    The ACLU sucks.

    • GONESURFING

      ACLU=Anti Christian Liberal Union

      • Dingbat36

        I have another good acronym for you all.

        M S N B C = Manure Spreading Nazi Broadcasting Company

  • http://facebook pat

    only the illegals and persons committing the actual fraud are disenfranchised,,,everyone should have some form of ID..to be able to vote,,,

  • Are You Serious

    The government require citizens to provide proof of insurance but not legal status. What hypocrisy by the government.

    • TooBig

      about the only way Reid, Pelosi and obama can stay in power with all the illegals and dead voting several times. How many have died here to protect the ballot box and we have this crap going on. The ACLU sucks

      • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

        I think right now you need to worry about Republicans stealing elections (primary elections and caucuses) from other Republicans.

        • d rash

          Kushibo, what the hell are you talking about? You worry about the AMERICAN COMMUNIST PARTY, (democrats) and let us republicans worry about the republican party.

          • stillsane

            How much you want to bet Kushibo is a supporter of Ron Paul? The whacko loses and they cry fraud. Jeesh

          • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

            I’ll bet as much as you’re willing to lose.

            Voter fraud and stolen elections are perpetrated by operatives respective of party affiliation, and we’re starting to see this in the many sloppy elections of the primary process. I’d rather see Ron Paul (since you brought him up) taken down legitimately by voters who don’t agree with his agenda than have an election stolen from him by people invested in a mainstream candidate winning.

        • Joe

          you must be an idiot dumicrat to make a ignorant remark like that

          • Chuck

            Hey Joe, I’m not a Democrat, nor am I an idiot. Moreover, I’m not a fool, so I do not assume to know kushibo’s political party affiliation. I certainly do not find kushibo’s remark to be “ignorant.” I don’t know about you, but I don’t approve of election fraud anymore than voter fraud. FYI, I’m an Independent because I don’t believe anyone should be bound by party affiliation when casting their vote. Party loyalty should never be the determining factor when choosing the best candidate, whether for a local, state or national elections. Even in primary elections, regardless the party a candidate chosen should be the one the voters chose, not the party chair and national committee.

        • Dingbat36

          kushibo, why do you have a little kid’s picture for an avatar? Does it mirror your age? Why don’t you go to some liberal forum where people might actually be willing to talk TO you instead of at you, TROLL!!

      • Jenny Mader

        Obama will get re-elected and he will legalize all the illegals. That way the Dems will stay in power forever. They are working hard at getting the illegals to get on the same handout train as the blacks so they vote for their paycheck source. The Latino’s and Blacks are making themselves slaves to the Democrats.

  • Mike C

    Larry, you are an idiot. They use that as a piss poor excuse. Every citizen of voting age has an ID.

    • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

      No, they don’t. Standard ID in the United States is a driver license, and many people are too old or too poor to drive and thus their licenses have expired or never existed.

      • Jenny Mader

        They have state ID’s which you can get free and they will even send a van to pick you up, take you for your picture and return you home. So it is a lie that they can’t get an ID. I work in the bldg. where they do them and this is done everyday. So this story doesn’t fly.

      • Change or Chains

        Have you not heard of a State Issued ID, for those who do not drive?

      • KsGirl

        From the KS website, forms of ID accepted to vote.
        If you’re a registered voter, bring one of these to the polls:
        Driver’s License, Military ID, Kansas College ID, Nondriver ID Card, Concealed Carry Gun Permit, Government Employee ID, or Public Assistance ID Card.

      • Joy

        Kushibo, People wanting an ID could get it if they wanted. Many Organizations help provide the means to get ID. You must be just a liberal that wants to vote multiple times in multiple placs without ID.

        • Royce/Oklahoma

          Hell why don’t we just beat them at their game, I’m leaving my licenses At home and voting in every county in Oklahoma, I didn’t know I could vote republican. 77 times why am I hallways last to find out. But I don’t even need a name or # or licenses, ill vote in Texas, Arkansas, and Kansas too oh goody I’m telling all my friends and family we can vote all we want. REPUBLICAN

          • Dan Talbot

            BINGO !!! VOTE REPUBLICAN AND VOTE OFTEN – NO I.D. REQUIRED.

      • GONESURFING

        Anyone who wants to get an ID in America can get one, and those who don’t want to get IDs shouldn’t be voting anyway.

      • DrZarkov

        Baloney! Anyone who wants to receive welfare or Social Security benefits has to present photo ID. The same for anyone who wants to open a bank account or travel on an airline (the same will soon apply for rail and bus travel, according to the TSA). The only people who don’t routinely carry photo ID are people with intent to falsify their identity, for one reason or another.

      • http://conservitivebyte JOHN KING

        IF! anyone claims they are Not allowed to vote due to not haveing a VALID ID, that is the sole reason laying on THIER sholders and NO ONE ELSE’S!.
        As for the Lawsuits being filed to stop any State from makeing it a required act to have a valid ID before they are allowed to obtain a ballot are going to be found Guilty of COLLUSION and find themselves in a 5 by 9 cell for more than the rest of thier lives can last!.
        qapla’

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Stupid argument. Anyone who travels by air, or is signed up for medicaid has an ID…trust me. It’s pure BS that this is a ‘hardship’. It’s way MORE likely that it’s a ruse so that the fraud at the voting booth can continue. And that ALWAYS goes in tow with the democrats…

      • Nanette

        Look again, those poor people are usually on some kind of public assistance, and have to have a ID! Let us get real, they just can’t produce an Id for, Mickey Mouse, Hitler, dead people and ect.!

      • Jon

        In most of the STATES, now one does NOT need to be an AMERICAN, one just need’s to have an Dr Lic. Show your PASS PORT! It’s the ONLY ID that show’s that one is an AMERICAN and not just a Driver, or has a Utility Bill, or Rent Recent. If one ask’s for a Balled in a language other than English, one should NOT BE ALLOWED to VOTE! To be from an other Country and to become an AMERICAN one MUST be able to READ the CONSTITUTION in ENGLISH! And IF they can do that, they DO NOT NEED a BALLED in any Language but English!

      • Dopol

        My father was 96 yrs old and lived on social security when he passed away. He didn’t drive for the last 15yrs of his life but he kept his drivers license current because he thought it was important to be used as his ID. Now that he has passed I wonder who will be voting in his place.

    • ET53

      Not true Mike C.
      There are many people who do not have a required PHOTO ID – urban residents who do not drive or elderly people who have given up their license are two examples. It is the requirement to go to a DMV or Election Commission office to have a photo taken – for those who have never driven or don’t drive now, students whose college issued ID has been specifically targeted as not sufficient proof (tell that to the tuition office) of identity, or those who have never needed a photo ID before this that are affected. All this creates the burden of transportation and the cost for “supporting documents” such as birth certificates -which cost money, copies of marriage licenses for change of name – which often costs money and any other document the Election commission can come up with to make getting a photo ID more expensive and thus harder for the elderly, the poor and the disabled to obtain. I guess the idea is to disenfranchise college students in particular since they are more likely to vote. It must be to deter seniors who have voted all their adult life and whom election officials often know by sight. It must be aimed at those who have had to move because of foreclosure, loss of job or new job so they cannot keep a current address for getting the required photo ID,OR more importantly even knowing what voting precinct they now live in -which DMV will NOT know, OR better yet, redistricting so that voting precincts actually change location themselves.
      So having a “proper ” photo ID is not always that easy to obtain. There have been far fewer cases of actual voter fraud found than one would think from all the laws being passed. A poll tax by any other name is still a poll tax.

      • Disgusted

        Nice try, but no cigar.

      • Marine Mom

        obozo got his senate seat by proving voter fraud against his oppoant in Illinois. How ironic, or has everyone forgotten about that, like they have forgotten his lies? I am especially angry about his statement as to why he won’t salute the American flag. That alone should have bounced him out of the running for potus. Semper Fi and pass the ammo.

      • Jon

        Show me any Collage Student that does not Drive! Or one that can not WALK down to, or take the local Bus to the DMV and Get a State ID for damn near FREE! GET a Life and quite being a useful FOOL that like’s the like’s of CHE! And the 1/2 white guy!

  • Don

    Larry, you must have your head where the sun doesn’t shine if you think the ACLU isn’t defending voter fraud! If it isn’t then why aren’t they against showing a SS card to get a driver’s license, or enlisting in the Armed Forces. My God, man they only want to defend the fraud in order to get their guy reelected and that is the ONLY reason.

    • John

      Larry is not saying that the ACLU is not defending voter fraud. He is saying the article is not saying that. The typical yahoo misleading article headline. typical yahoo headline “Man interviews shark after shark has bitten his leg off” then the article tells you his beagle bit him because he hit dog with a stick.

      • BIN

        John – Wrong! You need to read Larry’s gargabe reply again. I trust you can read! You are only 50% correct.

  • Tom

    The ACLU membership is a waste of skin and oxygen.

    • SickoftheBS

      Best part of the ACLU ran dfown their daddy’s leg.

  • Ballistic45

    The ACLU, the strong arm of the liberal agenda wishes for unmonitored elections to allow for voter fraud.. It’s no secret of the intent no mater how they paint it.. “disenfranchise minority voters”, I would like the ACLU to expand on this hog wash… If checks were being handed out to “disenfranchised minority voters” if they could produce a valid ID, you damn well bet every friggin one of them would produce an ID…

    • Lonnie W. Lynch

      Amen !!!!

  • Insurgent

    Larry, were all of your special education classes difficult for you?

    • d rash

      Uh, the local DMV will issue an ID card, WITH A PICTURE , in virtually every state in the country, with many being totally free, and the state will pick you up and drop you off, back at home, in many states! THERE IS NOT ONE, REPEAT, NOT ONE VIABLE EXCUSE FOR NOT HAVING A PICTURE ID, BY ANYONE, ANYWHERE IN THESE 57 STATES. (57 STATES PER OBAMA!) 50 states for everyone else!

  • http://none John Dow

    If you need a an ID TO CASH A CHECK, then it is not hardship to get an ID to prove you are whom you say you are. Voter Fraud is a palpable issue in this country so it is distressing to see the ACLU subverting the electoral process. They should be waterboarded. What fun that would be.

    • John

      Youjust have to remember to not pul them back up out of the water. Wait at least two hours. It is good for all ACLU lawyers.

  • Greg

    I have to get a pictuer id, then why can’t them too. Lets be real for once.

  • denny

    defund obumbos acorn and get rid of his black panther would solve a lot of the problems

    • SickoftheBS

      Why don’t we just get rid of Obama and take care of all our problems. (legally)

  • Dick

    In Wisconsin, you must have a picture id, such as a drivers license or state issued id which is free if you cannot afford it, to cash a check/open an account at a bank, buy alcohol or beer, pay for groceries/cigarettes at a store with a check, etc. I do not know of anyone – no matter what age, sex, religion or race who does not cash checks or use the grocery store. As Mike said earlier, every citizen of voting age has an id. The ACLU is trying to destroy OUR civil liberties by making our votes worth less.

  • Are You Serious

    The ACLU is in the pocket of the $hitskinned scumbag in the Whitehouse.

    • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

      That is such a stupidly racist comment that I almost suspect a GOP basher has come to this site to plant that comment while pretending to be a conservative Obama basher.

      If I’m wrong, then, well, this is why so many people think that at heart the conservative movement’s vehement anti-Obama sentiment is racist in its motivations.

      • Glori

        Kushibo -Then they can get a state ID if they are legal and if they can’t they can’t or shouldn’t vote anyway. The elderly have lots of support groups that can help them secure an ID so they are not in the picture.

      • Joy

        Anti Obama Sentiment is due to him and his Communist beliefs that are destroying America and the life that most of us treasure.

      • Are You Serious

        It may be racist, but it’s true.

      • emerutil

        You may classify me as such. I don’t mind a bit!

  • Dan

    I’m hispanic and I totally agree with voter ID. As a minority I don’t feel disenfrenished at all. My precinct’s former commissioner always won by dead people voting for her guess what she’s in prison now.

    • Disgusted

      Dan, that’s good to hear–Everything you said. Especially about the commissioner being in prison for fraud. May it happen many, many more times all over this country.

  • KTC

    It would be hard to find 50 eligible(key word here) people to vote that do not have photo I D, but would take about 5 minutes to find people that would vote twice for the criminal we have in the White House.

  • pk watts

    Americans should acquire some legal form of ID. It becomes necessary quite often if one is not hiding under the law. Providing proof you are legal to vote must be required or of course we have fraud. It only discourages those who have reason to hide their identity. Liberals want all the votes they can get, legal or not. Are they not the ones defending this?

    • stealthy1

      The fact that republicans are trying to pass a bill requiring voter id and the democrats don’t want it, tells the whole story. PERIOD

  • Mark Pennington

    I have never missed voting in an election and I always must “prove” who I am to get a chance to go into the voting booth.

    This is nothing new…it started in the Marine Corps if I wanted to get paid.

    Try to go to a Doctor now without proving your identity!

    Mark Pennington

  • Emme

    I say provide a copy of your tax return//if you don’t or have never paid taxes–you don’t vote. Like Neil Cavuto said–do people not feel they should pay something to be in America!?

    • emerutil

      While I agree that a tax ID should lend support to eligibility, it is not enough!

  • 2WarAbnVet

    Liberals don’t actually believe that voter ID laws discourage voting and disenfrancise minority groups. They only create that impression to cover the actual reason they protest those requirements. Voter ID laws would disenfrancise several core democrat voter groups: illegal voters, nonexistent voters, felon voters, and dead voters. This last group, dead voters, is of paramount importance; it can be counted on to vote in every election, and to always vote Democrat. When you consider that it is comprised of nearly two million voters, you can see how vital it is that ID laws be discouraged at all costs.

  • Ready to Fight

    The only people who do not have I.D are illegal aliens or career criminals. There is no reason why all states should not require some form of a Government issued photo I.D. As pointed out by a case in Georgia the ACLU could not produce one person who could not obtain legal photo identification. Having photo identification does not affect minorities and the statements that it does by the ACLU is ridiculous and degrading and any minority should be very upset with such statements. The only reason the ACLU is making this statement is to allow the Democrats to continue to allow illegal’s and dead people to vote for their corrupt party. We the People need to push for a federal law requiring photo identification in order to vote! Screw the ACLU!

    • Dan Talbot

      You raise the all-important point that nearly ALL illegal votes are cast by and for democraps. GOP voting abnormalities are essentially insignificant (or as we say in calculus, vanishing in the limit towards infinity sample size, also known as the final value theorem).

  • joanna

    hey larry
    please tell me what you can do anywhereeeeeeeee without an id
    you cant do anything without it, so pleaseeeeeeee dont say that it discourages the minority from voting, so you’re saying that they can cash checks, get welfare, food stamps, without an id
    thats b s, and you know it, im sick of hearing that excuse, if you’re not a citizen of the u s, they’re the ones that dont have or shouldnt have an id, get a clue will u

  • http://www.godkincountry.com Eddie

    I find it funny that the ACLU continues their stance that voter registration would disenfrancise minority groups. In essence the ACLU is saying that minorities are to stupid to follow the voter registration laws. This says much about the ACLU’s thinking when it comes to minorities.

    • Marine Mom

      What laws? I mean, when I got old enough to vote, I went to the court house, did what needed to be done…took less than half and hour and BINGO, I was “on the books”. I just don’t understand how doing this is too hard for any American. Those that don’t want to do it, probably don’t want the government to know much about them as they are probably bilking the government to get all those freebies. Down here in Louisiana, a lot of people transfer titles to car etc. so they can continue “the good life”. But these never have any trouble getting to the mall or to have the hair weaves…don’t need id for those things, maybe. But, it’s the going and doing that I am talking about. If you are too lazy or sorry to go and get the right to be a REAL American citizen, then you don’t want to vote…..Semper Fi and pass the ammo

  • s casey

    Whenever I read about a law having the supposed effect of disenfranchising a minority, I wonder if the same attacks on the same laws will be argued when European-Americans (aka Whites) are the minority. I think we’re all too sensitive about race. Aren’t we all Americans (assuming we’re here LEGALLY)? I think the ACLU is a prime example of a good idea gone awry – BIG TIME!

    • Holly

      S Casey, I too think we are too sensitive about race. WE are all Americans, if we are here legally. We on this earth are all descended from NOAH and his family of biblical times. We all have red blood. I was reading that, our skins are different shades, but there is a comman DNA or something in all of our skins. Its just changed over the generations since Noah. I am sick of people using this as an excuse. And I am sick of people trying to cause problems regarding the races. We need to pull together as Americans and make our country stronger. Looks what’s trying to take us over? And we are dumb enough to fall for it. Old Communist Kruschev said, America would be destroyed from within and we are letting that happen. Read your history and don’t forget what has happened in previous times! We need to learn by it.

      • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

        About that sensitivity on race… A century of deliberate successful attempts to disenfranchise people because of their race will do that.

        • s casey

          A century of the Democrats rhetoric of poor “you” and wealthy “them” and their constant building a wedge between the income groups has created the disenfranchising of social and racial groups. Period. Want to feel like you’re part of society? Get an education. Acquire a skill. Get a decent job and stop relying on others for your income.

    • Snailmailtrucker

      Good Idea gone bad?
      This organization represented NAMBLA for FREE !

      They are a Communist organization doing what all good Communist organizations do best….destroy from the inside !

      Roger Nash Baldwin : the founder, and director of ACLU. At the time of the founding, he was deeply involved in the communist movement. In late 1935, he gave a speech that said his political goal was communism. Baldwin wrote the following in his college yearbook:

  • http://conservativebyte.com Raymond

    Ever notice how the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) seems to take on only cases that are anti-Christian – pro-sodomy, pro-abortion, anti-family, pro-pornography, pro-prostitution, pro-euthanasia, pro-homosexual, pro-infanticide, pro-crime, pro-humanism, anti-God — and, except for atheism, anti-religion?

    It calls itself the American Civil Liberties Union, but the ACLU is not American; it is uncivil (to the unborn, which are shredded mercilessly to pieces without anesthetic); and it knows nothing of true liberty, which can only be found in Jesus Christ, when one is set free from the bondage of all the SIN this evil organization PROMOTES!

    The ACLU’s founder, Roger Baldwin, stated: “We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself… We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal.” (Source: Trial and Error, by Geo. Grant)
    The ACLU is destructive to the fabric of our society. Christians must recognize Satan as the source – the instigator – when the end results of an organization’s efforts are only “to kill, to steal, and to destroy.” All we need to is examine the (rotten) fruit.

    Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

    ❊ the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);
    ❊ the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as “free speech” (Policy 4);
    ❊ the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);
    ❊ the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);
    ❊ the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);
    ❊ opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);
    ❊ opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);
    ❊ opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);
    ❊ opposition of parental choice in children’s education (Policy 80)

    – not to mention the defense and promotion of euthanasia, polygamy, government control of church institutions, gun control, tax-funded abortion, birth limitation, etc. (Policies 263, 133, 402, 47, 261, 323, 271, 91, 85).

    Following is a case in point (from David Barton’s “America: To Pray or Not to Pray”).
    In 1988, California was considering adopting legislation on sex education for public schools requiring that course material and
    instruction should stress that monogamous heterosexual intercourse within marriage is a traditional American value.
    The Senator promoting the bill received a letter of protest from the ACLU dated April 18, 1988 stating:

    “It is our position that monogamous, heterosexual intercourse within marriage
    as a traditional American value is an unconstitutional establishment of religious
    doctrine in public schools…. We believe [this bill] violates the First Amendment.”

    Truth is, liberals are unwilling to simply let others be, but rather seek to impose their UNgodliness upon Christians. It is a mission to
    them and other atheists to pervert the freedoms of others. The ACLU does not run to the defense of those who are harmed; it aggressively
    seeks out opportunities to corrupt pure freedoms.
    George Grant, author of “Trial and Error,” puts the ACLU’s annual budget (1993) at $14 MILLION (FOURTEEN MILLION DOLLARS) – much of which is “SUPPLIED BY THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER through the Federal program mandated by the Civil Rights Attorneys’ Fee Awards Act of 1976. If the ACLU wins a case that involves a public institution, for instance, the organization collects the full legal fees of its attorneys even though those attorneys offered their services pro bono (without charge).

  • Snailmailtrucker

    Of course Voter Fraud is supported by the ACLU and all of the criminals in the democrat party !

    Why on Earth do you think the borders are still wide open and liberal “Welcome Wagons” are trying to do everything possible to befriend these criminal il-legal aliens
    (at the Taxpayer’s expense) and to teach them the democrat tradition of voting democrat and voting often !

    Remove every single democrat from any position of power !

    I can smell November from my house and it smells like victory !

  • http://n/a Salvatore Pedi

    There is no question about wether voter fraud is going on or not!.. the liberals desire voter fraud so their candidate wins of course. I live in a fairly affluent neighborhood and can attest that there is NO VOTER FRAUD GOING ON.

    But, in the much poorer neighborhoods its going on. To sum it all up……America is “doomed”
    because there are so many people on the dole, about %49 at last count and they will surely vote
    for the Liberal candidate. So, if we can depend on those statistics, its almost guaranteed that
    Obama will win this next Presidential election. He will continue to spend America into oblivion!. The Chinese are waiting in the wings to cash in on their American debt, so its
    just a matter of time before we will be beholden to them. Obama could have been the greatest American president of all time but he took another route instead. Just try to get the truth out of George Soros to explain why he chose Obama for the Presidency. I’m a very old man and I’ve certainly seen the very best of times in my beloved America, but that will fairly soon
    come to an end. All I can say is: I”m so glad that I wont live long enough to see the total
    decline of our once beautiful United States of America!…

  • Melia-Aneta Sesé

    Please, we weren’t born yesterday. ACLU is a Democrat front group and they support illegals voting in CA, NV, AZ and anywhere else they don’t have to show ids … but in CA many of them already have licenses so they vote anyway. Bottom line is that if these people were voting Republican, the ACLU and Barry O would be driving the bus to get them out of the country.

  • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

    About that sensitivity on race… A century of deliberate successful attempts to disenfranchise people because of their race will do that.

    • Change or Chains

      WTF are you talking about?

      • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

        I accidentally put my comment in the wrong place. I meant for it to be in response to this one. I can see where you’d wonder where the heck that came from.

    • Are You Serious

      Blacks are by far more racist than whites. Not even close!!!!!

    • emerutil

      No. We only want to be segregated!

      • Are You Serious

        Ahhhh, the good ole days!!!! I do miss them. Lol

    • Disgusted

      Kushibo, You’re not a legal American Citizen, I think.

      • http://www.monster-island.net kushibo

        I’m a legal American citizen. Based on what would you think I’m not?

  • Bob Van

    If you are not a tax paying citizen you should not be allowed to vote period, because we all know who those on the freebies list will vote for ( whom ever will give them the most free)
    while the tax paying workers have to pay for it.

  • ONTIME

    The without A-CLUE organization has been on the wrong side so many times they must be a part of the 9th Circus Court only not near as funny…..

  • http://Facebook,Twitter,Linkedin Carol Hicks

    Those who get food stamps, AFDC, free medical, free federal housing, and welfare checks are already required to have a photo ID card much like a drivers license.

    The lady from the American Communist Lawyer’s Union evidently doesn’t know this.

  • CIA

    Thank you for allowing me to join in. I believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. I took and oath to defend it against all its enemies, both foreign and domestic. But so does the ACLU. Their only purpose for existence is to defend it. However, its enemies will hide behind it while corrupting our national fabric. Rigging elections through election and voter fraud is just one tool they have in their arsenal. Politicians have always lied, cheated and stole to win elections. Its part of the history of a free society. OK. But once they get in they have to live up to at least some of those promises. Always blaming the opposition for their failure to carry out those promises, although the standard excuse, must not be tolerated by the tax-paying public, even those who voted for the politician in the first place. That’s the American Way of doing things. And GBA!!!

    • Glori

      The ACLU is a communist group bent on destroying America from the inside. Read Up!

      • http://Conservativebyte Major

        You got it right Gloria,the Culinary Arts Institute guy has it all wrong.

  • Tomtom

    The ACLU is part of this CON MANS team! They are scamming the real Americans !

  • CIA

    HEY, WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID TO POST MY COMMENT?

    • Kansas Kahuna

      CIA…You are not alone pal!…KK

  • Larry E

    And how many people did the ACLU produce who could not have easily gotten photo ID? NONE! Anyone who denies that these poor people who can’t somehow manage to obtain a photo ID is in dreamland. The ACLU is a leftist organization which cannot be denied by anyone except the far left that believes that everyone but them is somehow rightwing. If someone wants to vote, they have a LONG time to register and obtain a photo ID. The idea that people have to be able to register at the polling place so that they can vote is assisting in voter fraud as well. If you don’t know that the election is being held, and can’t manage to register and obtain ID beforehand are too stupid to vote anyway.

  • J. B.

    No ID no vote. Real simple concept. Don’t drive? There are state issued non drivers ID’s. What is the problem unless you want to introduce fraud because that is the only way you have a chance of winning.

  • http://yahoo Dee Van Winkle

    Everyone but the left needs picture I.D.s

  • buzzard

    Voter fraud is alive and well in America!
    For a case in point I offer a recent election in Alaska. In the US Senate race in Alaska we had two Republican candidates. One was the incumbent with strong ties to Native American issues and the other was a fiscal Conservative.
    The fiscal Conservative won by a small margin. At this point recounts were started and continued, finding only votes for the previous loser, until she had overtaken the previous winner. At that point recounts stopped.
    Subsequent investigations revealed that, of the Native American Communities, 100% of all the
    eligible persons voted in every community and the votes were 100% for that one candidate.
    Further, the handwriting certifying the votes was the same in every disparate community though the names varied by community.
    When the loser cried Foul the election board refused to investigate.
    Whoever heard of every voter voting, in an election, from hundreds of small communities and
    all for the same candidate?
    Apparently, that is what happened!
    Yeah Right!

  • jomama

    ACLU is as corrupt as the ACORN group, If a 20 yr old can’t get a copy of this birth certificate, maybe the ACLU should pay for it.

    • Dave

      Or get one forged (like a certain Community Organizer).

  • Holly

    PLEASE EVERYONE, VOTE THIS NEXT TIME AND VOTE IN THE SMALL SEEMINGLY UNIMPORTANT LOCAL ELECTIONS. WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.

    I read and hear how so many people are not voting. Why isn’t there a big push to get people out to vote. I wish someone would start a movement on getting every citizen who can legally vote to do so!!!! this means old people, young people and everyone in between!

  • Jon

    It doesn’t matter the elections are fixed anyways.

  • john

    Blow up the ACLU put them out of business to end corruption to save our country. To Hell With ACLU Time To Destroy The Corrupt Ccommunist Organization to Restore The Constitution & End Corruption By The Root Of The Problem in Ammerica.The Constitution The Law Of The Land Not ACLU.

  • john

    Blow up the ACLU put them out of business to end corruption to save our country. To Hell With ACLU Time To Destroy The Corrupt Ccommunist Organization to Restore The Constitution & End Corruption By The Root Of The Problem in Ammerica.The Constitution The Law Of The Land Not ACLU.

  • ruth

    Someone needs to investigate the ACLU – I hear it’s full of crackheads and drunks. Someone from there was arrested for drunk driving last fall. but, we didn’t hear anymore about THAT!

  • William

    democrats are not democrats anymore,they are socalist or marksist and will try to take any and all rights we have as americans,including our freedom.We cannot give him 4 more years,it will end america as we know it.

  • http://onservativebye.com Rick

    The ACLU is a pinko organization, which on occasion manages to intercede in legal injustices
    being perpetrated on citizens. Their interpretation of “legal” is a bit warpy, point out that
    requiring an ID to vote will discourage folks from voting. The other argument, and that is a
    lame one, states that many of those voting folks cannot afford to get an ID. That last reason
    is a mute one and invalid from the getcko.
    I”ve just renewed my passport and I had to show my ID and provide all pertinent info
    that said I was who I was claiming to be. If I make a debit purchase, I must show who I am.
    When I filled a college application I had to do the very same thing. When I want to purchase
    any type of insurance, there again I must prove who I am and provide all sorts of personal
    data. When I am stopped by the Police, when I make purchases at a department store on my
    store credit card, when I show up for a doctors appointment etc, etc, I must show to them
    some form of ID. Likewise, if I am applying for a credit card or a loan.
    The ACLU, does not like that when voting? They are so full of of the same escrement they
    throw around to protect fraudulent votes and also illegals who vote with social security cards
    with nummbers of dead folks. It seems the ACLU is pretty much the protective arm of
    Acorn. Acorn or anyone connected with them, should be prosecuted and handed down
    severe punishment for infringing on the sacred voting privilege.
    In minnesota and WA state’s past recent elections, fraud was suspected and later determined
    that large number of folks voted pretending to be folks who had died years ago. Even babies
    who perished had their ID’s stolen. There were other highly suspect things that occurred
    although, the system was to have been highly watched for suspect manauvers, it did happen
    here that Absentee ballots showed that suppossedly were never counted………..The
    vote was filled with fraud and eventually, one candidate gave up and the wrong candidate
    walked away the winner. Big money is capable of carrying out fraud…….and in WA State
    a Democratic State, with a congressional delegation of several democrats, strange and
    suspect things do happen. ID for all voters. I don’t care if you are Brown, Pink, Black, Yellow.
    Show who you are before you vote.

  • PaulBot

    In TN when you sign up for Gov. Assistance in any form, you are provided the paperwork for a Voter ID card. As has been stated over and over again, you must provide documentation (photo id, ss card & bc) all at the same time. Therefore, no one is left out. We all know the Dems stole the 2008 election with fraud and we really do not want to see it happen again. America can not afford another 4 yrs of the FRAUD in the WH.

  • CalBob

    Practically everything one does requires one prove who they are, except for the presidency of the United States. And you can see what that got us. How many functions within the AFL/CIO require its members to show their membership cards? Like voting. Why is the union so afraid of a fair fight? If their case is ‘just’, there is no call for the ‘thug’ approach used so often by AFL.CIO and SEIU.

    • emerutil

      Their cause is “just” if it enhances their agenda! Anything is acceptable if their ends are met!

  • Howard T. Lewis III

    Listen tight. The ACLU’s first gig was to strengthen ‘search and seizure’ laws so the mob would be provided with a new line of defense. Though the ACLU has been there for civil rights issues, it probably has been to live down their original intent. If a person can not obtain a U.S. government ID or certfied State ID, one not pushed through by the federal government, they logically may be considered a foreign entity and ineligible to vote. Repulsivkins and demorats have maintained crooked voting machines for themselves for over 12 years in this country and do not deserve respect. 12 YEARS!!! Hear that??? 12 YEARS!!! Europe has simpler precise, honest computerized voting machines with abot $2.00 worth of chips. Rs&Ds CHOOSE to wallow in the corruption spawned by the Council on Foreign Relations, the Knights of Malta, freemasonry, that branch of The London Lawyers Guild known as the ‘American Bar Association’, and the self satisfied grunts of the Rothschild banking empire over the country’s destruction. All of those home repos as of late WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT REHEARSED CFRtv PROPAGANDA TO LIE VICTIMS INTO TRUSTING.
    Dump the Fed. Prosecute the hell out of Wall Street. Give Janet Napolitano a high impact set of female genitalia and throw her in prison. Put Lobobama out to garden, for he knows not what he does. Give Hillary the choice of lithium or Bridgewater. Vote Dr. Ron Paul for president. Grow your own food and befriend a few chickens and we might make it through this crisis of self-prophecy of woe and tribulation. And bedevil the devil. Soundly.

  • http://ignoredrealityblog.com Tony from ignoredrealityblog.com

    If people can “afford” a driver’s license, that requires the same proof that a voter ID requires, then they can “afford” to get a voter ID because what did they do, throw out their required proof after getting that driver’s license. The same with all other ID’s that people now MUST have to get just about ANYTHING.
    There is ONE reason and ONE reason ONLY that the democrats and their cohorts the ACLU do not want people to PROVE that they are leagally able to vote. They are facing clear across the board the heaviest defeat ever in the history of American politics this coming november and although they will be spending well over a Billion dollars this time around, all that they can hope for is that all the money they will be spending on political advertising will at least bring the vote somewhere close to being 50%. Then they will have to rely on the most massive voter fraud ever in the history of not just this nation but in the history of the entire world to carry them from there. They cannot afford to have people prove that they are LEGALLY able to vote.

  • Carol Fryer

    The problem is, just when you think one side or the other might take care of the issue, they then use the issue to their advantage. The GOP has obviously been stealing votes and loosing districts already and the dems are know for doing that allot. The GOP will pretend to help on the voter fraud and then steal the elections right in front of our eyes. They are all liars to me. ACLU, Southern Poverty Law center, all liberal UN bully arms.

  • dixie

    whos side is the ACLU on any way, it’s hard for me to believe their fighting for our Constitution. You have to be a LEGAL CITIZEN of the UNITED STATES to vote……. are they trying to be the ICLU(illegal citizen civil liberties union) or what seems as if they fight our Constitution to help them, not us.

  • Ray

    OK, read all the comments most agree that anyone voting should produce valid ID…..end of discussion, the majority is right and the majority wins. If someone does not want to produce valid ID, then they can’t vote plain and simple! It is about time that every state for any election whether federal, state or local require voters to produce valid ID or send them away from the polls. If we have another incident like in 2008 in Philly those racist pigs should be beaten severly, arrested, tried and convicted of treason as well as interfering with peoples right to vote, enuf said.

    • GONESURFING

      Sounds good to me.

  • Downunda

    A new report by PEW CENTER shows that ONE out of EIGHT are either no longer valid (deceased) or are inaccurate. People that do not support voter ID only support whatever despot has cheated his/her way to power. The whole process of elections is NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC and has behome unholy alliance of state election officials, voting machine vendors and transnational media corporations to seize the process from the openness of the public. Stand for Voter ID to start the process of openness to the public. u can still cheat with rigging the machine, making the count of the vote the ruler of who wins, and it continues. We want to start with one process to make our election more trustworth.

  • Joe

    Kind of makes me wonder how Obama was able to vote then, or was he able? Does anyone know if he was a registered voter and legally eligible to vote? How did he prove his eligibility then? If he voted illegally in the past , well that would just be one more crime.

  • http://unicornsquest.deviantart.com/ Leslie

    Everyone..Everyone who is an adult in America paying bills, and getting some sort of payment be it from a legal job, or especially from the government be it wic or unemployment, or disability has a photo ID. One can not get paid, cash a check or open a bank account without one. There is not any reason except to cheat, not to show one. Photo id does NOT mean drivers license. It can be a student ID or a state issued ID.

  • libbylindy

    There is an easy solution to voter fraud. Just check online to see who has died in the past year. Every conservative out there needs to head to the polls and vote a conservative ballot for every dead person and do it the minute the polls open. You don’t need to show ID? Great. Vote every dead one conservative Republican. By the next election, should there ever be another one, the fraud will be eliminated. The Democrats will do it in short order when the conservative Republicans beat them at their own game.

  • CalBob

    Holly, as long as there are things like the ‘black caucus’, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc., we will never assimilate the races into ‘one America’. They use the race issue to coerce big businesses to support them and their causes, which are never ‘race-free’. Just think of the repercussions if we had a ‘white caucus’ in the house or senate. Or a United White College Fund. But, you see, a thousand years ago there was slavery, so we need to keep the races segregated by racist organizations to get some of ‘whitey’s money without working for it. And don’t you dare prosecute the New Black Panthers for messing with the voting process…that would send the wrong message to the blacks, like the laws are for all of us.

    • Are You Serious

      Amen!!!!!!!!

  • Marine Mom

    Where I live, a lot of black refuse to be id’d because they are drawing 2-5 welfare checks under different names and addresses. So naturally, they don’t want voter id to be in play as it will knock out the other 3-5 addresses and names that they can vote under. Do not think this is just racial talk. I have seen it with my own eyes: I once worked parttime for a cpa and had people say, ” Let me go back and see if I can find mo chillen”. Then they come back with more and naturally, they get more back on “income” taxes. Ever sinc LBJ we have bent over backwards to accomidate minorities only to be stabbed with our own sword later. They see how easily we allow them to use the system, and now they are using us. And those that are guilty are welfare users! But, ironically, they can sure get to have the hair weave, and the nails did, and go to the mall etc. They can’t get voter id? They don’t want to, and obozo is giving them yet another pass to not be real citizens of this great nationl. Use and abuse should be the democrats motto. Semper Fi, do or die, and pass the ammo!

    • Are You Serious

      Amen, Amen, Amen!!!!!!!

  • John

    The ACLU has never represented the conservative point of view except by accident. Most of the time they don’t even represent the Constitution. Anyone who objects to proving who you are to vote is anti-American, and anti-liberty. I am an election judge in my precinct, and I take that job very seriously. If I think someone is not who they say they are, I have the right to challenge their vote. I don’t care what race, creed, color, or religion they might be. All that counts is that they are who they say they are.

    John Kennedy won the 1960 election because of the dead voters in Chicago. Even at 10 years old, I took that as a personal insult that someone cheated and deprived another voter of his sacred rights. There’ll be hell to pay if I catch anybody cheating at my precinct.

  • Seabee combat vet

    When I turned 18 yrs. old, I had to show my birth certificate in Kent, N.Y. to register to vote. I had to prove where I lived also, my address etc via a drivers license, but in those years, no picture was on N.Y.S. drivers licenses, so a utility bill was also required. Hey, I even had to register for the draft at the “Selective Service Bureau” not the post office!!
    Times were a lot different, but it wasn’t the era of oblowhole and holder either, both fraudsters in my eyes!!!

  • L.E. Liesner

    If voter ID discourages voting, it could be it discourages the illegals and the cemetery voters, and that would be a good thing. It’s been a long time since the ACLU, if ever, did anything that was good of the country.

  • joe

    This proves they need fraud to win. If minorities are TOO STUPID to get an ID, they don’t deserve the right to vote!

    • joe

      They sure know how to buy drugs, sign up for welfare and commit all sorts of crime.

      • emerutil

        Their inherent nature, sir. Their inherent nature.

  • Ultrarunner

    Kushibo and Larry…..you are both idiots! This particular issue is quite simple. I show ID all the time. Be serious!

  • Tom

    How have so many Americans been duped. We , through the Department of Education have been taught about equality and freedom and the price so many have paid for it. Yet has America turned into the free class and the stupid “governments gonna take care of me ” class. How have so many educated people turned into Godless lemmings listening to the mindless drivel of a progress corupt elite. This is not hope and change for the good. I am 61 and these are the worst years of my life. Not because I am poor or in need. But because of what we have allowed America to become. It is shameless. A cradle to grave society who thinbks someone owes them something ? Many immigrants a beter Americans than the useless masses who are still looking for the government to do somethnig for them. You leaches should have been born in the Soviet Union. Oh yes it too has failed..

  • RioSam

    Vote tallying is much more susceptable to fraud! This is the area that needs to be closely monitored more so than the who’s casting the vote! Nevertheless, voter ID verification should be the norm in all states..
    RP12

  • Tom

    Too bad our fore fathers did not incorporate into the constitution the requirement to vote you must own property. If it were so, more people would have skin in the game rather than a society of under achievers content on getting this years earned income tax credit from you and me. I am not a 1 per center but a bona fide tax payer. To be an American you need to pay somethnig orelse you are a non essential beneficiary of my largess.

  • Kenny

    The ACLU opposes attempts to control voter fraud because it is nothing more than a far-left group masquerading as a civil libertarian organization. Its agenda is furthered by a loose voting system unconstrained by such commonense things as actually providing proof of identity. The Democrats are heavily dependent on voter fraud to win elections. As the party of government, they will do or say anything in furtherance of that goal. Without political power, they won’t have our tax dollars to throw around. Having control over the governmental coffers is critical to their success.

    But the even bigger story is the myriad ways in which Democrats use our tax dollars to support their political agenda and re-election. Tax dollars are just a form of “street money” to Democrats. When I was a boy, my neighbor–a traffic cop–took me for a ride through the minority districts of Gary, Indiana where we witnessed Democrat political operatives handing our bottles of whiskey with $5.00 bills wrapped around them with rubber bands to get peope to the polls. It worked. Democrats never lost control of the city. Gary, today, is a sewer of political corruption and government dependency, just like Detroit. It is a visible reminder of the failure of “liberal” political policies.

    In addition to using our tax dollars, Democrats are dependent on forced union dues. Labor union leaders will gladly sacrifice our country as long the Democrats will further agenda of bringing more workers under their control, via “card check” and other undemocratic tools of organization. Unionization is anti-American and union nleaders nothing more than thugs.

    In CT, the UAW is now using union dues to hire college students (at Eastern CT State Univ., for example) to serve as activists, offering $300-$500 per week to those dumb enough to sign up. They do the same thing when they show up for political rallies. After the rallies, members drop by their local union office to collect a $75.00 payment for showing up. That’s what you call Astro-Turf, something Nancy Pelosi accused the Tea Party of being.

  • Loxias

    I carry 2 types of picture identity with me at all times. One is my California drivers license and the other is my military retirement ID. When I go to vote they ask me for my name. I reply by showing my ID. I have nothing to hide. What is wrong is people who are against showing ID. The yellers are the illegals and people who are voting multiple times. I know many poor who show no shame in showing their ID. Wake up America! Their is no shame in showing ID. You do it to get your drivers license,you show it to the police when they ask for it, you show it to register with a doctor, you show it if you go to the hospital. Why not when you go to vote? Why will that denigrate you? Why will that keep the poor from voting? I can go on and on. I will say that I have these 2 ID’s because I need a car to get around and the other because I love the US and served 20 years in the military. How many of the yellers can say they have earned the legal right to both documents?
    Robert D. Mowrey
    SSgt. USAF Ret.

  • Jsnh

    If a person takes the time to go out and vote at the polls or goes through the process of obtaining an absentee ballot to vote, then why would it be such a huge problem or inconvenience to register for the privilege to vote? Let me get this straight; registering for a voter ID would be disenfranchising minority voters and decrease voter turnout? I would think the decrease in voter turnout would mean that the voter ID would keep the illegals from voting which understandably would decrease the voter turnouts. Why would that be a problem? Regarding disenfranchising minority voters, if one does as I previously mentioned, then how difficult would it be to get a voter ID? As usual,those proponents think we are stupid!

    • emerutil

      We ARE stupid! We allowed them to commit their crimes for decades. Shame on us.

  • Ihatelibs

    The revolution is about to start.
    Take out the ACLU and every communist lib.

    • Doug Rodrigues

      If a revolution does start, we should drag every one of the ACLU members into the streets and put them in front of a citizen’s firing squad! Bill Ayres once said that up to 20 Million citizens may have to be “eliminated” in order to achieve his Communist goals. We should apply that thinking to the treasonous citizens of our country starting with Bill Ayres and his wife!

  • karen gaines

    For God sake…. How hard is it to get photo ID? Give us all a break!
    It is almost March 1… election isn’t until Nov 2 …. get off your asses and get a photo ID…
    Cost an issue… PUHLEEZE!!!!!
    Any excuse to let dead people vote!!!
    EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A PHOTO ID PERIOD…
    YOU PEOPLE AT THE ACLU ARE IDIOTS!
    PS… I’m an independent have voted mostly Democratic my whole life!!!

  • Doug Rodrigues

    How can my very first posting of today be “you’re posting too fast…slow down.” What is going on with this website???????

    • David USAF

      I would like to know myself. Maybe I should type slower because they can’t read fast.

      • http://Conservativebyte Major

        These people don’t give a hoot about disenfranchising anyone, anyone that truely believes it really should check it out, and see how important this is to the well-being to our country.

  • Dale

    I don’t believe these are real ACLU members. I would like to see their ACLU MEMBERSHIP CARDS.
    Oh!. They don’t have one?

  • see gul

    Clearly, those who oppose voter IDs are trying to maintain the advantage of voter fraud.

  • http://conservativebyte.com Sons of Liberty

    I’m pretty sure that by law you are always required to have proper identification on you. You need proper identification to fly on a plane, rent a car, check into a hotel, cash a check at the bank, buy a 6-pack of beer and practically every transaction you do. Only those who are up to no good would defend the thought of not requiring proper indentification to be shown in order to cast a vote. If you are disenfranchised by having to show an ID in order to vote, that’s to bad. If you can’t afford the cost of identification, being able to vote is not your biggest concern. It’s about integrity in the election process. It’s about making sure our elections are as free from fraud as possible and having every voter show proper ID is a big step in that direction. Indiana has already won their voter ID law right in the Supreme Court. Every state should use Indiana as a model. Instead of defending the need for voter ID laws. Maybe we should attack those who attack us of wanting voter fraud. All around the country we can site every case of proven voter fraud, every group thats been guilty of voter fraud (ACORN) and every election where missing ballots mysteriously appear or where our soldiers absentee ballots are not counted. We are in a fight for the America our founding fathers fought for. The America that Ronald Reagan described as “that shining light on the hill”. The line in the sand has already been drawn by the left. It’s time to give them a major attitude adjustment.

  • karen gaines

    Notice the conservative made all of his points in PLAIN ENGLISH!!
    The woman from the ACLU was nothing but a bunch of double talk!

    How pathetic! Talking in cirlcles and saying nothing but a bunch of garble di gook!!
    EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

    It’s really a racial cultural issue.. I’m married to a black man it took me 5 years to get him to
    stay on the ‘subject’.. address isssues directly and not muddy up discussions..
    It took awhile about several things but he’s amazing now!
    Far too many people who grow up in the system designed to keep them dependent ‘learn’ to AVOID taking responsibility and
    think it’s someones else’s fault that they aren’t successful and they are owed something or don’t want to work hard and earn their way! My husband is extremely talented/smart and is making the most of it…. no more ‘can’t do attitude…. NOT anymore!
    It’s work hard… save your money and don’t expect ANYONE but your self to take care of you..
    So get off your dead backsides … turn off cable tv and get you butts out to get your ID’s…
    That goes for EVERYONE!! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN STUFF!!
    If you can get out and riot over $200 Nike sneakers… then you can get an ID!!!!!

  • C. Nelson

    More Liberal (ACORN B. S. ). If you can’t win honestly, this argument must be trotted out.

  • Greg

    The ACLU; on the wrong side as usual! What convoluted thinking!

    IMO, not only should a valid ID be required, I firmly believe that anyone receiving federal or state support/aid (welfare) should have their voting privilege suspended until they are off the dole. Also, only property owners should be allowed to vote.

    Too strict? I don’t think so. How do you think we got into this mess?

  • TOM

    Voter ID would keep the people in the cemetary from voting and the people in Chicago from voting ten or twelve times in one election.

  • http://bobk90.wordpress.com Bobk90

    Since the Democrats were Caught in the “Chicago National Disgrace of using Social Security cards of DEAD PEOPLE for Voting” Fraud; they keep trying one scheme or another!!!!!

  • lizaz

    They have ID for food stamps and welfare…..they should have it for voting. The ACLU and the rest of the liberals don’t want ID so they can sign up illegal aliens and get their people voting in the names of dead people…..unless they cheat….they can’t win. Their “discourages voting” excuse doesn’t wash! Every American knows they can vote, but only once….those non-Americans have another idea…to promote their communist agenda, they need lots of fraudulent votes!!!!!!!

  • Shavager

    ACORN and its members have been convicted of vote fraud in numerous states and continue to operate under a different name with federal dollars because this president refuses to obey federal rules passed by Congress to STOP their funding. The U.S. Supreme Court has already answered the question on PHOTO ID’s in April 28, 2008: states CAN REQUIRE voters to produce photo identification WITHOUT violating the constitutional rights. Justice John Paul Stevens, A LIBERAL JUSTICE: “We cannot conclude that the statute (photo ID law passed in Indiana and other states) imposes ‘excessively burdonsome requirements’ on any class of voters.” He also said in his opinion that “preventing fraud and inspiring voter confidence” were LEGITIMATE goals of the law, regardless of who backed or opposed it. Justices Stevens, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Chief Justice John Roberts ALL CONCLUDED that PHOTO ID IS CONSTITUTIONAL!!

  • esnes nomoc

    Pass

  • Dottie

    Honest voters welcome proving they have the right to vote. Remember, we used to gladly pay a poll tax and carried our voter i.d. cards. If you want to be an American, act like an American and love this country or LEAVE IT and that includes the Kenyan in the white house. Also, learn the language, have never seen so many grammatical errors!

  • John P. Centonze

    Okay,my only questions are; why would voter IDs cause lower voter turnout( except in the ranks of the illegal voters) and why would it disenfranchise minority voters? At least the opponents of the law could explain themselves rather than making these assumptions. Maybe they have made their explanations but I don’t read that in this article.
    John P. Centonze,D.D.S.,Waterbury, VT

  • esnes nomoc

    Lets pass State Laws that aggressively prosecute intentional voter fraud with heavy sentences.

  • Gloria Wedemeyer

    In a way they were defending voter fraud. My mother never drove a car, but she still had a photo id for check cashing etc. Voting is one of the most important rights and everything possible should be done to eliminate fraud. I am sick of hearing about low voter turnout or the disadvantaged would have more trouble voting. That is nothing but hogwash. I don’t know how many times a month I have to show my driver’s license with picture ID and I am 70 years old. Anything to aid and abet voter fraud.

  • Gloria Wedemeyer

    In a way they were defending voter fraud. My mother never drove a car, but she still had a photo id for check cashing etc. Voting is one of the most important rights and everything possible should be done to eliminate fraud. I am sick of hearing about low voter turnout or the disadvantaged would have more trouble voting. That is nothing but hogwash. I don’t know how many times a month I have to show my driver’s license with picture ID and I am 70 years old. Anything to aid and abet voter fraud.

  • Kansas Kahuna

    What happened to my post, the page kept skipping around, and just as I stablized it, IT DISAPPEARED??? Is this more censorship in action???

    • emerutil

      Yep.

  • Missionary James

    These people that claim it is A BURDEN or UNFAIR and will PREVENT MANY FROM VOTING are either RETARDED, DECEIVED or just PLAIN OLE WICKED/EVIL and endorse VOTER FRAUD, because they know that the ONLY WAY THEY CAN EVER WIN here in America, is to CHEAT and FORCE THEIR EVIL WILL against us.

    I am personally going to be involved with VOTING in my County this Election Process coming up! I will personally be assuring that those who Vote, ARE INDEED WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE. If I catch anyone committing Fraud, I am going to personally make a Citizens Arest and if they Resist, they will get their Asses kicked Royally, for resisting a Lawful Arrest!

    Why Am I getting involved you say? Because African American Friends and Co-Workers asked me to have ABSENTEE VOTER REGISTRATIONS MAILED TO MY ADDRESS, so they can Vote numerous times and MANY Co-Workers bragged How they Voted Numerous Times. This Election, I am turning ALL of them in and If I see them at the Polls, BE SURE TO KNOW THAT I WILL BE CHECKING EVERY VOTING POLL PLACE in the State of New Jersey and will alert all other 49-States (in case u did not know, there is 50-States Total, not 57 or 58 as Obama actually believed) to CHECK FOR THESE PERSONS NAMES on their Rolls.

  • Kansas Kahuna

    I believe this website is owned and operated by the same corporation that operates THE PATRIOT UPDATE! Now two in a row I have been advised that I am posting too quickly!

  • John

    I bet if one of those “poor, disenfranchised” people found out they had won a million on a lottery ticket they would magically come up with a damn photo ID to cash in on that puppy……

  • http://conservativebyte.com Raymond

    NATURAL BORN CITIZENS BEWARE…..
    This just might make your day a little brighter!! You, who
    worry about Democrats versus Republicans–relax, here is
    our real problem.

    In a Purdue University classroom, they were discussing
    the qualifications to be President of the United States .
    It was pretty simple. The candidate must be a natural
    born citizen of at least 35 years of age.

    However, one girl in the class immediately started in on
    how unfair was the requirement to be a natural born
    citizen. In short, her opinion was that this requirement
    prevented many capable individuals from becoming
    president. The class was taking it in and letting her
    rant, and many jaws hit the floor when she wrapped up her
    argument by stating “What makes a natural born citizen any
    more qualified to lead this country than one born by
    C-section?”

    Yep, these are the same kinds of 18-year-olds that are
    now voting in our elections!

    And they walk Among US
    And they reproduce!

  • Larry

    Leave it to the ACLU to come up with something that is illegal to say it makes more people vote and I say that is true more people do come out to vote if they are not required to prove who they are. And when you have to prove who you are less people do come out to vote and that jest proves if you have to prove who you are you will not come out to vote because these people are doing it illegally so they will not come out a vote illegally. So this jest shows that the ACLU is a organized criminal Law firm because they want more people that are not qualified to vote to come out because so many of them are being paid to vote and if they do not have to prove who they are then they can stack the deck with illegals to vote which in turn does not make it more fair when they are doing the voting illegally.

  • Kansas Kahuna

    I lost my post again after receiving another prompt that I am posting too fast! Can’t fight city hall! If they do not want a certain person to post comments that may be contrary to their accepted opinion, they will find some way to ban a person from said site. Funny, this is the same corporation that runs this website, that runs THE PATRIOT UPDATE! So much for trying to post today….Goodby all, I am out of here! I have a feeling I will have the last laugh, and in the process find out how deep their pockets are!…KK

  • http://conservativebyte.com Raymond

    Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from its own published Policy Issues:

    ❊ the legalization of prostitution (Policy 211);
    ❊ the defense of all pornography, including CHILD PORN, as “free speech” (Policy 4);
    ❊ the decriminalization and legalization of all drugs (Policy 210);
    ❊ the promotion of homosexuality (Policy 264);
    ❊ the opposition of rating of music and movies (Policy 18);
    ❊ opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion (Policy 262);
    ❊ opposition of informed consent preceding abortion procedures (Policy 263);
    ❊ opposition of spousal consent preceding abortion (Policy 262);
    ❊ opposition of parental choice in children’s education (Policy 80)

    • http://conservativebyte.com Sons of Liberty

      I’d like to thank Raymond for his posting of stated goals by the ACLU as published in their own policy issues. The ACLU has every right to exist, but they should not be recieving any public funding. It amazes me how we allow public funds to be used in a way that contradicts what the vast majority of Americans find offensive and completely out of the realm of soceital norms. All these groups need to learn to stand on their own or close up shop. Tax revenue should be used for the good of the country and for the benefit of the people. The ACLU, ACORN, La RAZA, CAIR, The Sierra Club, etc…exist only because they recieve public funding and want to advance their own causes which only benefits them. These groups should be at the top of list when discussing budget cuts.

  • Ann Wilson Kingsley

    If the ACLU is really protecting our liberties, then they will support Voter ID. Sometimes the ACLU actually supports the Constitution, but in this case it appears their intentions are sinister. The idea that minorities cannot produce either a Driver’s License or a State Identification Card is ludicrous. Anyone that incompetent should not be in a voting booth. Also, assisted voting of every type needs to be barred with the exception of instructions in operating a voting machine, where to place paper ballots, etc. Education is free in America: Those who have not taken the opportunity to learn to read or to learn to read English are not going to know enough about the issues to make a rational choice. Also, those who are too drunk or mentally incapacitated to vote on their own do not need a voice.

  • Kansas Kahuna

    Here is a copy of my post being banned on Patriot update. Kansas Kahuna says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    February 26, 2012 at 4:03 am
    I don’t believe romney has ever had an honest day in his life! When he has appeared to be honest, it was just a ruse to gain an advantage in any given situation. Greed and power are what motivate him. The sooner the American people understand this, the sooner we will be able to take our country back!

    Voters that select romney will regret it…and if he was to be elected in November, four years later the chant would be…”ARE YOU REALLY BETTER OFF TODAY, THAN FOUR YEARS AGO,” just as the chant was for obama by those that could see that, GWB stood head and shoulders above his replacement!

    While GW had his shortcomings, I think he did quite well overall, considering the circumstances and criticism encountered during his presidency!

    FDR was into his third term when Pearl Harbor hit a U.S. possession, not a state. On 9/11 when we were attacked it was directly on our homeland soil (Hawaii was not a state in 1941), for younger readers that do not have an understanding of history or geography. The 9/11 occurrence had an even deadlier effect on this country in life and the ability to recover! In 1941 we were an industrial might, today we have no industry to recover. Our industry went to our enemy, with the help of romney and others like him!

    Instead of applauding GW’s efforts, the left tried to crucify him, and the gullible right and independants followed suit, still afixing blame on GW, for all that is wrong in our country.
    Today’s polarization and destructive decisions are the result of obama, the left wing cRats, and RINO republicans. The dems mainly consist of communists and socialists, and they are so bold and brazen, they make no attempt to hide it!

    We as a nation had better get our act together soon, or our nation as we once knew it, will ‘COMPLETELY’ disappear before our eyes.

    The FEMA camps are real, not an illusion, and they are being put in place for a single reason…to incarcerate freedom loving people who will not,repeat will not, succomb to a bondage of socialism and communism! November 6th, will be, NOT, may be, our last chance and HOPE to get this country back.

    My candle is growing dim, already being a great grandfather, but there must be hope for our grandchildren and those that are not yet born, so they are not born into an obama bondage! Take heed people…KK

    It must be Newt in 2012 to right the ship of freedom and liberty!

    If we as voters REALLY want to take our country back, you had better strongly consider Newt Gingrich!

  • Robert

    I do not care who does not vote or for what reason for that matter, that is the free choice everyone must make in a free society. Fradulant votes deny me my legal right under the Constitution and cancel my “Free exercise” of those rights. If they are not American educated enough to understand this then they should not have the right to vote, and that goes for all the voters in Chicago graveyards and the phoney citizens on the Calforina voter roles, and in any other State in the US – A. If this mandate for Voter ID is used, then the Democrats for sure will loose a lot more elections.

  • Melissab

    Here we go again! Bla,Bla,Bla…Fraud is everywhere and will continue as long as whos in charge allows it. It seems the Race card is always the reason when the real reason can’ t be used. Dems want voter fraud as aong as the votes are in their favor..Darn shame we live with this B.S.

    • Eddy James

      Yeah if having to have an ID was to much of an inconvenience , Just think how many more sober people there would be in the “Ghettos” they always manage to find their ID at the liquor stores.Or at the “Cash a Check ” places when it’s the first of the month and time to pick up food stamps and the welfare check. We could probably get by with out IDs if there weren’t so many from the left that”Volunteer “at the polling place to wink,wink make sure the voters were vetted .Instead they point out which name their accomplices need to vote for. They think they are being slick but we see what’s going on.

  • Kansas Kahuna

    Same web site, they just banned my posting of the comment that they are banning on THE PATRIOT UPDATE!…KK

  • DJ

    The only possible reason for being against voter ID is if you want to be able to cheat the system. In this day of computers and other technology, to not require voter ID is reprehensible. MAYBE in the 30′s, 40′s, or even 50′s, everyone eligible to vote might not have some form of photo ID, but NOW? That argument is lame at best. In TX, even if you don’t drive, you can get a photo ID from the driver’s license office for about $10, and having some form of photo ID is required to write a check just about everywhere. This is not the same thing as a poll tax – it’s just common sense in an era in which fraud is becoming commonplace.

  • DrBillLemoine

    “Voter fraud has a history of plaguing elections, inspiring. . .”. While I didn’t see the debate cited, I know the arguments like this one. Actually voter fraud in national and state elections is miniscule–84 cases in over 300 million votes cast recently. The cost ‘inspired’ by this tiny number to correct such fraud isn’t worth it. The cost in lower voter participation is huge.

    Actually requiring picture ID at the polls isn’t necessary for the precincts that require a signature for every voter. For all but initial or occasional voters, people are known by commissioners and partisan observers at every polling place. Absentee voters are identified without any picture or presence at all. What about other ‘security’ measures? Limiting the time for filing absentee ballots by mail, reducing the pre-election dates for inperson voting, rejecting college student IDs without pictures, a small fraction these days, are affecting primarily voters who are poor, young, new, elderly or mobile. Studies show this is primarily Democratic voters.

    It’s a travesty on expanding democracy and voting rights for Republican controlled voter registrars and legislature to enact such rules and laws. It’s becoming apparent that conservatives are more interested in controlling precinct, district, county, municipal, state and national voting and hence elected officials than in democratic principles. They prefer authoritarianism to democracy, fiat instead of the rule of law, control vs. rights, suppression not freedom, patriarchy vs. equality. After November, we’ll see how many voters want less freedom, less individualism, less democracy, and interestingly more laws not deregulation.

  • David USAF

    When are the minorities in this country going to learn that the Democrats are not on their side. Minorities should be affended by Demoocrats statements. For years the Democrats have said that minorities are too stupid and must be cared for by the government. Democrats said that minorities are too stupid to get into college without government help. Democrats say that minorities are too stupid to get a job without government help. During WWII the Democrats said that Negros were too stupid to fly fighter aircraft. It was the Republicans that fought for the Tuskegee project. It is time for all minorities to wake up.

  • Bob

    Doug,Same thing happened to me the other day.Liberals must be taking over this site.LOL!

    To the point of this post.I agree with most of you here.Only criminals and frauds are against voter ID laws.Of course the Dems are behind voter fraud.NO Question!They cannot win a legal election and they know it.The ACLU is the biggest fraud ever.
    We must continue to to push for voter ID laws in every state.Write to your congressmen and women and continue to write until we get results.

  • RIpete

    To get welfare, medicaid, medicare, get thru the airport, sign up for social security to go out of the country, to open a checking/savings account and to get hospital services one needs a PHOTO ID. Now the leftists of the ACLU speaking their socialistic/ccommunistic rhetoric say this disenfranchises voters or are they saying that they would no longer have the ability to get their kind of people in office. Those on the dole know exactly how to do anything and everything. How about if you don’t pay income tax you don’t vote?

  • Higgs

    I’m sick and tired of this “disenfranchisement” argument. If we had voter ID and it runs off some, I ask what do they have to hide? Why would anyone with no record, a legal citizen, and actually lives at the address on the voter ID, what’s the problem? They already have ID’s for other things need and places they go to. You need an ID to receive your welfare, go to the library, amongst other things. All this debate against Voter ID is to continue the chaotic mess in elections in order to pull stunts like the 2000 and 2004 elections. That still doesn’t stop the ignorant from voting; we could require all of us to take a little “quiz” before voting to see if we actually understand what (amendments) and who we are voting for or against. Maybe then we would see true elections with informed individuals voting intelligently. OMG! What a novelty? What a concept? People voting using their own minds based upon information they read about, listened to, and researched to fully understand what/who they were voting for or against – isn’t that the reason for elections?…for the populace to have an educated voice? At least that’s what I thought it was for.

  • Steve H

    Larry, just how in the hell does proper ID discourage casting an honest vote. You are a liberal and can only win by cheating and screaming until you get your way. Every one has ID and most carry it on their person. Hopefully the liberal movement can be flushed and done away with forever giving America back to people that love it.

  • Normal Guy

    The real issue is about theft of political power, not voter’s rights. Known, but largely unspoken, voter fraud favors Democrats and conversely, voter ID favors Republicans. Consequently Democrats invent straw-man arguments to justify voter fraud. Besides voter fraud, Democrats also like to “recount” votes in (only) those counties where they lose. If permitted, the Democrats will keep recounting until their candidates “win.” Voter fraud is an obvious scam and disenfranchisement of all legitimate voters. Of course all states should require a valid voter ID to vote. Moreover, voter fraud should be vigorously prosecuted and punished with severely discouraging penalties…

  • Joe

    This is absurd,all these people know how to get on all kinds
    of social programs,get free this and that,but cannot produce a valid ID card
    when voting.HOW ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE LEGAL VOTERS.
    We send election monitors around the world to monitor election fraud
    but we cannot monitor our own election .What a joke.

  • Juanita Rice

    No ID? I have to show ID to vote and they check my name against my voter registration number. Where are these places where no ID is needed? Also, how many citizens of the United States do not have sometype of ID? These people do not show ID because maybe they are voting many many times (beging paid by ACLU, etc. ) No one should be allowed to walk into a polling area and vote without showing their ID – NO ONE.

  • Charles Bill L.

    The ACLU its self is a fraud.The reason you hear so much whimpering about ID cards is because by not having a ID cards at the polls the more voter fraud you have.ID laws does not disinfrachized any one What it really does is keep people honest.Those who dont want IDs are those who cheat by voting several times at different voting areas.You need a license to drive a car,get married,practice medicine,ect.So why not at the most important funcition that is to vote.Those who whine are the ones who do the most cheating.FACT

  • bill

    Voter fraud should be punishable for at LEAST 2 years in prison

  • Julian

    “voter ID laws discourage voting and disenfrancise minority groups disproportionately”=== I hear this statement allot, but true to Liberal form not one fact, not one real instance to support this. If these groups that are so interested in getting these people to vote really wanted to help them they could help them get a state ID which would help them in many ways, or is it to hard to get an ID for a dead person.

  • C from Santee

    At my polling place,when I vote, they have my name on a list, and I sign. My name is on the list because I registered to vote. I would prefer that they check my ID so that no other person can sign for my voting slot. Easy, you register to vote, you sign off on the list when you vote,
    and you should produce an ID to confirm you are who you say to be. Everybody
    is supposed to have an ID, even non-drivers. And no non-citizen is supposed to be allowed to register or vote. That’s the law. Why have a law if you don’t enforce it? Check the ID at the polls. And confirm the person is a citizen before he is legally registered to vote.

  • R. C.

    I have a real problem with you people.
    If something is written in your reply area that you don’t like or it is so called, OFFENSIVE to some one or organization, you tell them to you ae inputting information to fst.
    I jsut inputted an item in reference to the ACLU and you shut me down. That is SENSORSHIP, PLANE AND SMIPLE.

    • JVB

      why do you assume it’s US PEOPLE? It’s a filter glitch. Hit the back button and post again. 9 times out of 10 it posts the second time. If it doesn’t…it must be YOU IT dislikes.

      • Kansas Kahuna

        JVB…Are you with the site? I am going to blast holes in your 9 out of 10, that it is cured by using the back button. How about 10 out of 10 that your comment is awaiting moderation???JVB…Are you with the site? I am going to blast holes in your 9 out of 10, that it is cured by using the back button. How about 10 out of 10 that your comment is awaiting moderation???

  • Lowell T.

    It is long past due to investigate and give people committing voter fraud long periods in prison. Local politicians won’t prosecute even if they know voter fraud was committed. They will go along to get along. The public must take every action possible to identify and make public anything they see that is not appropriate. We all must do our part to help legitimate voters and prevent fraud and prosecute the crooks. Paperless voting machines must be eliminated. We are about to vote perhaps our last free vote and are completely not prepared. Now we know what happens when good people do nothing. All to soon there is nothing they can do but obey the ruler.

  • bill

    does the same to me—-and I’m encouraging the passage of much stricter ID laws

  • M. Carlson

    Everyone should show valid identification each time they vote, It is ridiculous that this even comes up. If you don’t have legal id and are not a citizen, you have no business voting.

    • bill

      Agree———but listen to the crowd———-BUSH DID IT

  • MadmaxUSA

    I think I’ll show up at my local bank tomorrow and request a $10,000 withdrawal. I’ll have no identification and indeed no proof that I even have an account at the bank. When the bank shows me the door, I’ll claim discrimination, call my local liberal TV station help desk, the ACLU and Al Sharpton. Then I’ll go home and wait for the check to show up, and an apology from the bank.

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    Why don’t we send all welfare recipients to North Korea or China and see how long they live on the workers backs, why don’t we send all liberals(Communists) there with them because they like Comminusm. Then the hard working people can continue to enjoy the Fruits of the Constitution here in America. Forgot about the Cultist Muslims send them home too, you have seen how the peaceful muslims have reacted to burning the Koran yet they burn our Flag our Bibles and threaten us with death every day and Congress is trying to pass a bill that will make it Illegal to say bad things about the Terrorists, why don’t they pass a bill against the Muslim Cultists that voice their hatred towards America and Americans? Can’t wait to vote out every DemoRAT (Communists) and RepubliRAT (New DemoRATS) that have somebody new running against them because Congress has sold us out or Obamination would have been removed from office three years ago. Obamination is Kenyan Born Illegal Half Breed (NOT BLACK) Radical Muslim but kisser Communist asshole.

  • bill

    aclu SHOULD BE OUTLAWED ALONG WITH pLANNED pARENTOOD AND SEVERAL OTHER ORGANIZATIONS

  • http://None Hank

    the aclu are communist’s

  • JVB

    Considering the huge numbers of fraud occurring on the Democrat side I can understand why they hate ID protection and why they defended the use of voter intimidation by the New and Improved terrorists; New Black Panthers. They weren’t there to make sure EVERYONE felt safe…just the ones committing voter fraud. And of course they were embraced and excused by Obama’s loving touch.

  • Mike

    For intellectual curiosity, let’s say that acquiring a phot id would require an elderly person, a poor person or a member of a minority to pay a fee and that they would have to incur some cost to get to a State Government Office or the DMV to get their id and they cannnot afford the cost. OK, then how are they going to afford to get to the polls to vote?? This dienfranchisement argument is a load of crap!!

  • Hank

    Do minorities know how to get driver license ?
    Its no deference to get voters ID .
    If you drive you need DRIVER LICENSE .!!!
    If you are real American and want to VOTE you need VOTERS ID .
    YOU Disenfranchise America if you don’t , I’m tired of the stupid excuses ACLU is making for all the frauds in this country.

    • Chuck

      Not everyone drives. That should be pretty easy to compute for anyone. Seniors, no driver’s license. Have to get Birth Certificate ($15-25), go find state office to get ID. Students who don’t drive (a lot and student id not accepted), same process. Those hated poor people. Don’t drive, have checking/credit cards and no need for photo id. Ditto to get one. We abolished poll taxes. What’s paying for a Birth Certificate and photo id (free only in limited states). I drive, no problem; you probably do also. So you could care less if some seniors, some students and some poor don’t vote. Good for you. Why was there no prosecution of the ‘rampant’ voter fraud? FL, 7 years, 3 cases. standard disclaimer: not stupid, doper, gov worker, union guy, welfare guy commie. Corporate guy who has protected sex with wife on regular basis using contraception. From what Rick S says, this is not good so guess I”m not guiltless in the extreme Rep eyes.

  • Derek Neuhauser

    I think, not ONLY should we require Voter ID … we also need a National Voter ID database. Why? Having a valid Voter ID will NOT stop those that are voting multiple times and in several locations. This is one reason Mr. O got elected in the first place. “Get Out The Vote” encouraged people to not only vote with illegal names (dead, in prison, cartoon characters, etc.) … but it allowed them to vote in several states. Heck, I would be surprised to see Democrat buses driving them from state to state on Election day. And HOW in heck did anybody actually vote 72 times? I know they did … but the only way to stop that nonsense (and the eventual election of people who should not be elected) is with a National Voters Database.

    Ironically, we already have this … just not being used for this purpose. It’s called the Internal Revenue Service Taxpayer Database. It would take a simple one-character or two character modification to indicate IF that taxpayer has voted for a particular year. After that … “Disallowed”.

    • John Adams

      Vote only if you own property, are a male, US citizen, voted before. Must have certified voter certificate with hologram. With exception of hologram, pretty much what the Founding Father’s decreed. Of course, we don’t have slaves anymore so the 2/3 thing is null.

  • del

    why of course….how would the dopeocrats and oscumbo ever get elected again????

    • James Cousin

      We so loves them dead people. Why I voted for 1020 dead people last year and laughed a lot. Of course, the boss man paid me 5 bucks for each one and a little beer on the side. I plan on upping my quota to 2022 this year. My brother will be elected again as will his beautiful wife and lovely kids. God bless America.

  • Boletero

    “Opponents argue these laws decrease voter turnout and disenfranchise minority voters.”
    Best BS I’ve read this year !!!! Noting will keep me from voting no matter how much toilet paper I’ll have to bring to the voting place !!! What the Sam Hill is so dificult about showing an ID before you vote?????? What balderdash are you MORONS dishing out !!!!

    All you stupid socialists GO TO H… AND STAY THERE !! There you can try to peddle your crapy ideas……………

    Saludos del Sombrero, Vatos…….

    • JaneyWiston

      If you drive it is absolutely no problem. I know a lot of seniors who do not have a ‘valid’ drivers license. They don’t have a Birth Certificate, have to pay to get that and then find a state office somewhat nearby where they can pay to get photo ID. Students don’t all drive (student id not valid) so same thing. Those wretched poor people who don’t drive or have checking account or credit card……well no photo id. Same ordeal. So you, my brother, are lucky. There are, however, some not quite the same who would like to vote. Many people will be helping these people vote this year so that may help. I would like to point out that all people who disagree with you are morons or socialist. That’s just not statistically possible. There are t00 many people who would not agree with someone who calls others ‘morons’ for no discernable reason. Disclaimer: not doper, gov worker, union guy, entitlement guy, stupid…just a normal Christian who likes to analyze problems and see the issues and not just call people names like my 10 year old son is prone to do. We try to teach him better. Sad your mother wasn’t successful. Have a blessed day.

  • Ken

    I forget who said it, but the American Criminals and Liars Union is the most dangerous organization in the United States.

  • http://WeFearForOurCountry,GovernorBush Sandy/LA,CA

    Let’s face it. The only ones who are against Voter ID are the ones voting illegally!!! This is the Common Sense way to solve this problem. It will NOT cut back on Legal Voters going to the polls, in fact, it will most likely cause More to vote, knowing their votes are not being nullified by illegal ones. Legal Americans are the ONLY ones who have the right to choose the people who lead us!!! Others are in it for payback from the party their WORKING FOR at our expense!!! Stop this FRAUD N O W!!!

  • http://conservativebyte.com Raymond

    BEST EVER SENIOR CITIZEN JOKE

    A little silver-haired lady calls her neighbor and says, “Please come over here and help me. I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can’t figure out how to get started.”
    Her neighbor asks, “What is it supposed to be when it’s finished?”
    The little silver haired lady says, “According to the picture on the box, it’s a rooster.”
    Her neighbor decides to go over and help with the puzzle.
    She lets him in and shows him where she has the puzzle spread all over the table.
    He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns to her and says,
    “First of all, no matter what we do, we’re not going to be able to assemble these pieces into anything resembling a rooster.”
    He takes her hand and says, “Secondly, I want you to relax. Let’s have a nice cup of tea, and then,” he said with a deep sigh …………

    “Let’s put all the Corn Flakes back in the box.”

  • Journeybird

    Larry, you’re a Dope. You don’t understand that an ID is required for most other transactions in this society (governmental and commerce). Irrespective of what the phony argument proffered by the ACLU (which you’ve fallen for), VOTER-FRAUD is real and rampant. The ACLU wants to protect VOTER-FRAUD; the reason should be obvious to you (which I believe, is).

    WHAT IN THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH ASKING SOMEONE TO SHOW THEIR ID WHEN THE SHOW UP TO VOTE???

  • Peter P. Angelou Jr

    How about this fotr a Democratic Bumper Sticker…hahaha
    ” OBAMA….THE MESSIAH”
    AT HIS COMMAND…THE DEAD RISE
    AND VOTE DEMOCRATIC

  • http://Aol Barbara R.

    I live in a rural area in East Texas and we use paper ballots. The Dems. vote on one side of the building, the Republians vote on the other. We regester at the country courthouse. We have voter cards whih are shown when voting also photo ID is required. I have never heard ay complaints about showing photo ID. In my opinion, this is the fair way to vote. No ID, no vote! As for the ACLU , in my opinion, should be disbanded. I cannot recall that they have been helpful in any type of situation. If the story is true that obama has a Social Security number that had been issued to a deceased man. Apparently he did not have to show ID espeially if the deceased man was white. Get the point? I hope that this will be the year to get rid of obama and the ACLU.

  • SAINT

    A few years ago a man named David Duke ran for Governor of Louisiana and blacks by the hundreds came to Baton Rouge, Louisiana to register to vote from Mississippi, ACORN was out there giving them local addresses to use, now they vote in Mississippi and run across the state line to vote again in national elections.
    P.S. The “Red Cross” was there to provide refreshments for those in line to register.

  • http://Aol Barbara R.

    Sorry for the typo errors and misspelled words. So please no comments from the scholars or critics. LOL

  • Bill Roderick

    If voter ID is a detriment to voting—–then Illinois Firearm Owner Identification Card is a detriment to firearm ownership — Guess which party has controlled Illinois for over 50 years?
    You can vote without ID but you cannot even hold a gun in your hand in the gun shop without the FOID. And it requires you to have a background check and be fingerprinted .

  • Freodom

    Sounds like the ACLU supports voter fraud!

  • Ron T.

    All the logic in the world will never change the ACLU’s opinion! They are owned by the left, bought by the left and could care less about our Constitution. They are working off FDR’s and Cass Sunstein’s new Constitution where the State has total control. Basically, their charter is ultimate destruction of the country. For that reason, there is no logic or rational thinking that changes the minds !

  • Tom

    It appears the problem of fraudulent voting is predominantly a case of minorities attempting to suddenly become the majority. If our government will not make sure voter fraud doesn’t decide elections, then the obvious answer is for the majority to use the same tactics to insure they remain the majority. The old saying, “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander”! Personally, I live within a short drive from 6 county seats in Florida, and can register to vote in all of them. If I’m willing to fight for my country, I will surely be willing to lie for it!

  • fred

    A good way to allow another fraudulant president like the one we have is to not allow voter ID. My personnal experince with voter fraud was in the last election. After I signed my name at the poll. The poll worker told me that my signature did not look like the signature on the registration, I was asked to sign my name again, and allowed to vote. Why wasn’t I asked for proof of ID? What would have happened if I had showed up to vote and found someone had akready signed my name and voted for me. Do we need voter ID, yes we do.

  • Henry Leon Hoskison

    LET US GET RID OF THE ; ( ACLU ) ONCE & FOR ALL < also ACORN,THEY ARE STILL ALIVE, UNDER A NEW NAME; Hank the Tank;

  • Ihatelibs

    It will be great to see these scum on their knees in the streets begging for their lives when they have tried to F**k up everyone else.

  • cowgirl

    Of course it will decrease voter turnout, because the illegals and anyone else that is not legal to vote wont be able to vote. I think this would be a good thing. No more mickey mouse and donald duck votes for odumbo, and no more dead people being able to vote. Wow, that would actually make voting fair.

  • a true american

    i’ve been saying for years that the aclu need to be disbanded and everyone of those idiots need to be thrown jail.

  • Rmicael

    I’ll bet that all these disenfranchise minority voters have ID to get their well fare had out. Cant make sense out of non-sense. Be Well, Be Safe, Be Free.

  • ORB

    The ACLU will take any stand, defend any idea as long as they are detrimental to the Republic. And that is the historical truth!

  • Donald l mather sr

    SHOW YOUR ID VOPTE BUT VOTE RIGHT TO STOP THE WASHINGTON CRAP>> GET BACK TO THE CONSTITION >>???????????????

  • bulldustin

    LARRY YOU SUCK

  • keepyourpower

    There is NOTHING American about the ACLU!

    I believe there are 13,000,000 dead people still on the books to vote. Do you not think ACORN and SEIU do not get these lists and use them?

    Over 900 Dead people voted in the last Presidential election in South Carolina.

    And they say there is NO voter fraud in the voting system…rarely happens …never happens…FAIL!

  • Roscoe Bonifitucci

    In this case, the ACLU is right. Having positive ID for voters will disenfranchise certain voter groups. They are:
    Dead People
    Illegal Aliens
    Union Thugs who vote Multiple Times
    Mentally Impaired and Insane folks who are Institutionalized
    Violent Felons
    ….and other assorted people who should NOT be voting!

  • “Dallas”

    ACLU Laura Murphy is correct, “Voter ID will reduce voter turnout and disenfranchise voters.” ie: Those who are the ones that Voter ID should reduce and disenfranchise.

  • Doug

    Obama wants to destroy the US. that is play as day to those that wish to see. It seems to me if can’t produce legit ID you shouldn’t vote. If minorities can’t produce legit ID I have to ask why not? If they are legit that can produce legit ID.
    No Legot ID, no voting period. No matter who your Daddy was.

  • Tomas J. Andino

    In this modern day and time, you need an ID for every transactions why not a Voter’s ID(picture) to vote?.

  • Lonesome

    NO ID…NO VOTE!!
    NO ID, NO DRUG TEST…NONE OF MY HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS FOR THE CRACK HO

    You cannot do anything in a modern society without an ID. Why in the world would the lying libs want people to vote fraudulently? BECAUSE THE LYING DEMS ARE THE PARTY OF CHICAGO THUG POLITICS AND POLITICIANS LIKE THAT POS, TRAIN WRECK, THAT IS INFESTING THE WHITE HOUSE AS WE SPEAK!
    LIBS ARE PRO ABORTION, PRO DRUGS, PRO MUSLIM/ANTI CHRISTIAN, PRO UNION THUGS, PRO HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT, PRO ILLEGALS, PRO HIGH GAS PRICES(no drilling in the gulf/no keystone pipeline), PRO OCCUPY WALL STREET…I THINK THAT ABOUT SAYS IT ALL! WAIT I FORGOT ANTI-AMERICAN!

    • American Eagle

      You said it, brother. Amen!

  • CR

    Who would not want voter id? Anyone can get it if they are eligable! only those that want voter fraud? Only non-thinking liberals? or Those who want their socialist desires to overtake our freedom! We need to pray for America! Although judgement upon us seems inevitable.

  • Greg

    Haha Larry rode the shirtbus!!!

  • Ralph

    No matter who you are when you vote you should have the proper IDS’ to say you are legal. This helps to prevent voter fraud. Two states I know of say you don’t need an ID and can vote anyone other than your self. Their laws need to be changed a person can not register or vote for someone else period. You have to show ids everywhere else then you must show id to vote.

  • Born in NYS

    These aclu people will defend any marxist communist idea including something called nambla.They don t about right and wrong here

  • mike austin

    Oh, forgot. The po peeps can’t get any ID….. Really? Dems are so stupid. tired old Baloney makes you want to make the soylent green. Except for the stink, they can pass it off on the EBT card as meat by product…

  • American Eagle

    1. Voter ID is for EVERYONE, not just minorities as the ACLU and some of you are crying.
    2. Personal ID is required from everyone, for a variety of purposes, including cashing a check, using a credit card, withdrawing cash from a bank, completing medical records in a doctor’s office, you name it. ID is NOT just for minorities. ID is a part of life, get with it!
    3. Larry and the ACLU cry that voter ID will decrease voter turnout. Good. If voter ID is working, it should! The tens of thousands of fraudulent voters will not turn out!
    4. ACLU cries that voter ID will disenfranchise minority voters. Why? Using ID to make sure your legitimate vote is not erased by a fraudulent vote should and will encourage all voters.
    5. Without voter ID implementation, LEGITIMATE VOTERS ARE BECOMING DISENFRANCHISED because of fraud. What about our Civil Liberties, ACLU? Hello, ACLU, hello! Are you there, ACLU????? . . . . . . . ACORN????? . . . . . . . Democrats???? . . . . . . zzzzzzz

  • American Eagle

    The ACLU, along with Planned Parenthood, National Public Radio and PBS on TV should all be removed from the Taxpayer Supported lists. None of them stand up for the average, honest, middle class tapayer!! Yet our tax dollars are used to beat us up, give them huge salaries, and trample on our God-given rights. We’re stuck with them for now, BUT we have a VOICE and a VOTE!! Tell (write and call) your Senator or Representative that you want these organizations out as we cut our Nation’s spending spree! No response . . . . . VOTE them OUT!

  • Chuck

    Time for moaning and groaning is over. Just go to the polls and vote our Muslim nightmare out of office. Three years of talk has gotten absolutely nowhere.

    • http://Conservativebyte Major

      I respectfully disagree on nowhere, this Marxist administration has took us to a place in history that our forefathers knew would happen under evil men, men that would sieze power in any way. Obama has done this, but not on his own slyness, for instance how was he vetted? and by whom? he gets away with trashing the Constitution why? and the list goes on and on. The trial that took place in Georgia he made a mockery of, he does not have to prove anything, things we citizens have a perfect right to know. I hope it is that simple by going to the polls and voting him out i am afraid there will be massive voter fraud, it is a proven fact that programmers have in the past and still can easily rig our voting machines. One part of your post i will not change and that is Muslim and Night-mare he is both.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Poor one

    ACLU can kiss my ass you are just trying to muddy the water

  • http://www.yahoo.com Poor one

    ACLU can kiss my ass you are just trying to muddy the water

  • scott

    if you see some one who cant speak ot they speak broken english dont let them in to vote jump thme hold them down and say this wetback isnt allowed to vote

  • Claudia

    Of course the ACLU does not want voter ID! Most of their clientele votes for their liberal friends and would not want to depress their voter turnout!

  • Another Veteran

    Wouldn’t’ one have to have an ID if they were to the their local Post Office to pick up a package or Food Stamps? Cash a check? Withdraw some money at a bank? Use a credit card or enter a military installation, prove one’s age to receive a senior discount, apply for an apartment (they require a credit check these days), etc. It’s foolish to not have an ID especially when voting it makes fraud a little more difficult-unless one secures fraudulent IDs.

  • Potawatomi13

    “EVERYBODY? ELDUMO DID NOT AND STILL HAS NOT. EACH FOUND GUILTY OF VORER FRAUD, NOT SHOULD BE KEPT FROM PUBLIC OFFICE, BUT GIVEN AT LEST 25 YEARS VACATION AT THE LOCAL PENN.. AND THAT IS INCLUDING ELDUMO, BUT 75 FOR HIM…IT IS TIME TO GET THIS COUNTRY BACK.”
    Billy: Traitors are to be put to death, not imprisoned. Oretard deserves no less and should also have ALL of his wealth confiscated!

  • http://con.byte Salty Sailor

    Make no mistake voting without producing an id leads to a election full of dead people voting Harry Reed been using dead folks names for years. I don’t think voting by your PC i a safe way to vote if you can’t read or write in the english language then you should not be allowed to vote untill you learn the language. To tell you the truth i don’t think the A.C.L.U gives a dam who or how a person vote;s and they don’t think a person that’s dead should be shut out of the voting process either. The E.P. A and the A.C.LU should be done away with.as there is no nee d to have these organizations unless they clear the corruption from there rank and file members

  • america the beautiful

    no matter what scam they think of ill never vote for that muslim in the white house and you count on it he is a muslim not anything else,he was nt born here and there for hold oval office illegally and really isnt president at all

  • Myron J. Poltroonian

    Hmm. It is against the law, in that bastion of conservatism (Not!) I live in – Calipornia – to be in public without a valid ID. Even at the beach you must be able to present a valid form of identification. However, it is also a part of the states constitution that English is the official language. So, given our government’s “logic”, I suppose, the valid ID requirement is waved when you are on your way to, actually are, or on your way home from (you guessed it) “Voting”.

  • Publius2012

    The costitution of the United States specifically states who may vote. It does not state that a dead person or non citizen may do so. The government has no authority to cha ge those requirements unless they do so by legislative measures or constitutional amendment. To date that has yet to happen and the law remains unchanged. The best way to uphold that requirement is thru identification and the states have ways of obtaining a valid ID for such purposes. If someone is afraid to get a valid ID there is probably a good reason such as being an illegal alien or wanted criminal which would result in their probable ineligibility to vote anyway. So to use the minority or race card as an excuse just plain doesn’t hold water anymore.

  • Jose C

    Maybe we can adopt the Iraqi method when voting next time around.
    After casting our vote we must dip our index finger in ink that will let the stain stay on for at least 24 hours.
    Problem solved.

  • http://www.MicahPeak.org Jeff Brodhead

    We the People of these Several United States need to grab this Union back from the Marxists, including the “American” Communist Liberties Union! None of the little “good” things the ACLU pretends to do are worth the DEVASTATION it has perpetrated upon America!

  • Kacha

    If people are serious about voting, they will get their photo ID and jump through any hoops required to vote. If you aren’t willing to what is required, shows you are not serious about voting. I wouldn’t move if I don’t have enough time to register to vote at my new location. Haven’t even missed a primary in 40 + years. As an aside, when I lived in California, and registered as a Dem., they sent me unrequested absentee ballots for 10 years after moving to Florida. Would they still have sent the unrequested absentee ballots if registration had been Republican? And, no, I didn’t vote twice. When I was registered as a Republican in California, the first year they did absentee ballots, I requested one, it never showed up in the mail so I went to the poling place on voting day and was told that I had voted and my ballot had been returned. That was the year Feinstein was elected. We should all be registered and vote as a matter of pride in our country and honest enough to vote only once and follow the rules.

    The ACLU is not on the side of personal responsibility but the side that people should not be held responsible for their actions.

    And the penalties and prosecution for voter fraud, think of the cost of persecution, the cost of prosecution far outweighs the state’s cost of providing free photo ID to people who don’t have one (ACLU argument is that it cost’s states too much to provide photo ID). And, without photo ID, how do you know if someone is committing voter fraud? ACLU is defending voter fraud. And no, voter fraud is not as rare as the ACLU would like you to think it is.

  • rkz777

    they’re simply leftist-socialist-communist, nothing else to say. the ac-dc-lu and all other leftwing thugs will do anything and blatantly say and do anything to accomplish their goal, just like all the communist have done forever, no one in government will say anything against these enemies of the United States because their people are in power. remove them from power and restore our U.S.Constitution, and America will be back again. call me when ya’ll are ready. THANKS BE TO JESUS CHRIST THE LORD OUR GOD!

  • ANH

    C from Santee is correct. It’s quite clear why the ACLU (and others) wants people to be able to vote without showing a proper Voter ID (which is different from a driver’s license). They want those illegally in this country to vote for the candidate of their choice. They also don’t object to those voting legally – but who vote again, using the IDs of deceased people. In other words, they’re afraid that an honest election process would knock out these fraudulent possibilities, in which case their man would most assuredly lose at the polling sites. All states should require valid Voter IDs of all U.S. citizens — to ensure and maintain voting integrity across the republic today and forever. Crooks would be unable to conduct voter fraud when they can’t provide the required valid IDs before voting. Foreign non-citizens should never, under any circumstances, have an opportunity to vote – or donate funds – for elections held in the U.S.A. Each polling site should have at least two members of the local law enforcement authority on hand to make immediate arrests of anyone trying to circumvent such laws on Voting Day. Any state that does not want to enact such a law would be aiding and abetting this fraud. There is no reasonable excuse or plausable explanation for any state not to have enforceable voter ID laws. We say to the ACLU and others: “We’ve tried your man for 4 years now – and he’s simply not doing the job for American people. It is now time for someone else to assume that responsibility.”

  • Richard Vandervort

    When you can not depend on an honest election and we see people like the ACLU fighting things like voters ID’s being required you know it’s only to play in their advantage. If we demand the enactment of Voter ID’s we can help in cleaning up the system and if it’s refused we can always look to alternatives.
    Always keep in mind that it took a Revolution to create this great nation and it may just take one more to free and restore it to it’s true glory once again.
    The corruption within government is far to great to ignoring anymore and it’s up to We The People to stand up to and correcting the problems within government today.

  • an oldtimer

    I see no reason why the dead should be allowed to vote.
    In fact, no one should be allowed to vote if they don’t pay taxes.

  • Rian

    Very shortsighted woman ,but her charade definitely helping establish usurpation of political power from a diminishing black / white population to Hispanic and others. Her excuses tantamount to admitting / labeling the people she is seemingly fighting for as hopelessly illiterate ,morons. If that is case and probably is ,is best they don’t vote. In many countries ,the illiterates have voted for criminals . Look at elected politicians in foreign parliaments ,for the matter including past and current USA elected lawmakers , there will be a glaring number of lawbreakers among the lawmakers. Because stupid idiots voting again and again and have no idea ,as long as they continue to get food stamps and handouts. One needs identification for everything else,including entering a government building ,crossing borders including crossing over to Mexico,Canada ,including traveling to USA Guam ,USA Samoa ,state of Hawaii,etc from continental USA. ACLU should be de funded of public funds

  • suzy2

    Barrack Obama is the slime scum bag of this earth. We definitly need to have all voters show indentification to vote. Hell, you have to have ID just to check a book from a library, or collect Welfare. So everyone needs a good ID to vote! This is the only honest way to have a vote without fraud! Believe me, Obama does plan on being a big fraud this election . Let’s hope the upcoming Supremem court hearings will rule he is NOT eligiable to run for President. We all know he is not qualified to run,. Obama is actuall America’s worst enemy with a mouth full of brown stuff that so many Stupid ignorant American’s actually believe.

  • Drop Dead Fred

    “Opponents argue these laws decrease voter turnout and disenfranchise minority voters.”
    UH YEA! It keeps out the illigals and prevents out of staters from flooding the polls posing as dead people.
    I fail to see how protecting elections from unqualified and unscroupoulus persons violates the rights of anyone.
    At what point did it become the right of someone to commit voter fraud?

  • v steve

    The ACLU is made up of jewish lawyers and jews are communist and communist are against The USA and it`s Constitution and bill of rights. Oh btw jesus Christ loves you.

  • Cirbuck

    The whole thing seems to be ridiculously damning to me. In just about every aspect of commerce and minor issues like buying liquor, cigarettes, and any number of other aspects of life, you have to come up with ID to prove you are who you say you are and show things like age and place of residence. As supremely important as voting is within a sovereign nation it just doesn’t seem like much of a brainer to expect stiff rules, albeit simple to prove, that you are qualified. So, it leaves you to believe that either those who are chomping at the bits to protect the minorities or people that can’t seem to come up with the necessary documentation, are completely outed as proponents of progressives fraud or they are saying the people they represent are just too damned stupid or simple minded to figure out how to one. There is no other argument. You either are 100 per cent for fraudulant voting possibilities or you think your main constituents are too lazy or stupid to do the right thing. Geeeez.
    How do you get disenfranchised for being asked to stand up and be a good citizen like everyone else. Obama can use the word “fair” all he likes when it comes to taxes but oh man, it just isn’t fair to ask minorities or poor people that don’t even pay a lot of taxes in the first place to rise up and do what we should all be doing when it comes to electing leaders which basically costs nothing but a car or bus ride.

  • http://conservativebyte.com Mariana

    My mother, who never had a driver’s license, needed a photo ID to open a bank account, to get utilities services connected, to set up medical records with any new doctor, to cash her social security check at the bank where she had done business for 30 years, to check in if she had to be hospitalized,etc., etc. It is impossible to deal with any institution/business without a photo ID!
    I have only one question for the ACLU and any other idiot who believes that requiring a photo ID will disenfranchised minorities:
    How in the Sam Hill is it possible for anyone to argue that requiring a photo ID disenfranchises anyone? How do this imaginary people who would be disenfranchised deal with all these other situations where a photo ID is a must?

    If you are a living, breathing human being in this country, the only place where you can get by from day to day without a photo ID is in jail, which means that the only people who do not want to have to present a photo ID in order to vote are those who are deliberately committing fraud.

  • http://conservativebyte.com Mariana

    Well, I actually had two questions, but what the heck, you all get the point.

  • Barb Upstate New York

    This isn’t rocket science guys. Voter ID reduces voter fraud. Plain and simple. If you’re opposed to voting integrity….what does tell us????

  • Tim

    With all the voter fraud going on and dead people voting I took a proactive step. Last November I lost my wife due to cancer. I contacted my county’s voter registration office and made sure my wife’s name was removed as a registered voter. I was able to do this by email and included her name, address, dates of birth and death along with the county were she died so they could verify. I suggest anybody who has relatives who have died contact their county voter registration office and do this too. I would do this even if it has been quite a while.

  • Irishmist

    The aclu is so un-American it’s a shame. They have been defending the criminals and illegals against the TRUE AMERICAN CITIZEN for so long that they have become aliens themselves. The aclu should be outlawed in this country. The aclu has forgotten its meaning, protecting AMERICANS civil rights. Where does it indicate rights of illegals, criminals, etc? The only thing that they are protecting is the criminals who knowingly enter this country illegally and those who are doing everyting to destroy the U. S. A.

  • Jacqueline L

    The ACLU name should read th AALU for Anti American Liberties Union. They do not and never have stood for the vast majority of American Citizens.
    If Floridians can drag their SS cards with utilitiy bills in their names and Certified Birth Certificates to get drivers licenses it is NOT TO MUCH TO DEMAND SUCH APPROVED ID’S BE PRESENTED AT REGISTRATION AND AT VOTING POLLS.
    Only deployed military and those in hospital should not be required to be physically present at the voting booths.

  • Florida Jim

    Most of the voter fraud is in democratic circles and large metropolitan areas. Community organizers are great at teaching voter fraud such as college students trying to vote anywhere, no voter Identification although these same voters have I.D. for everything else[food stamps, government handouts, etc.],many people to overwhelm the voting station, lying by saying “I left my card at home”, intimidation by people like black panthers in Philadelphia, out of town voting, et al. Minnesota, Washington, Washington D.C., Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania, California, Georgia, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Oregon, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Florida, Nevada all have been exposed to voter fraud and almost all only by democrats.Obama , Axelrod and Jarrewtt are busily engaged as we speak setting up this years voting fraud outposts.

  • RobertJR

    I don’t see how anyone could be against voter ID. It’s common sense to protect our voting process against corruption. Once again we the people are shown how corrupt the lawyers and politicions in Washington have become. Our last hope to save our country may be the military but I think a lot of the high ranking officers sleep with the politicions. This just leaves we the people and how much we will take. Vote them all out in Washington.

  • pau

    What the ACLU is saying is that minority groups are stupid and if we can’t get them to vote the democrats will lose votes. Democrats prey on the poor and the ignorant to stay in power. The ACLU doesn’t challenge voter registration because they are sympathetic to minorities, they just want to insure that votes can be rigged and constituencies controlled by the democrats. This next election will be so fraudulent that Tammany Hall will seem like child’s play. The democrats have already set the pattern (see election of Al Franken)in Minnesota. Democratic Secretaries of State will hold out until enough votes can be found to give Obama the election. Especially in close swing states like Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. The Gore/Bush vote in Florida was gives us a glimpse of what can happen when democrats try to cheat. The Florida recount was a democratic driven effort to steal Florida’s electoral vote for Gore. Democrats still believe the lie that it was the Republican Supreme Court and Jeb Bush who gave the election to George Bush. Nothing new, democrats always make up their version of history.

  • Patriot

    I am soooo sick of the ACLU’s efforts for years to ruin this country and turn it into a lib/progressive/PC third world. We ARE the United States of America! We ARE different from other countries – our Constitution proves it. We ARE a Constitutional Republic – not a voter majority/voter minority rules country. Mobs have their problems, thus we have the Constitution!

    Having worked the polls for the 2008 presidential election, I became sickened at what I had seen first-hand! It had been my second election working the polls and I will NEVER do so again. Nastiness reigned supreme. The Dems/RINOs were out in force “forcefully”. Whenever we had to issue a provisional ballot, a riot would almost ensue and the Dem Poll watchers would jump in with threats and menacing acts, shaking their fists, yelling, screaming, threatening everyone in earshot. We had to call the Sheriff’s department to settle one down. She would follow black voters, especially young ones, outside to find out if they had had any “problems” voting – putting words in their mouths. It was outrageous. Folks who could not read or speak English only wanted to know where OWEbama’s name was on the ballot, marked it and left. Are you aware that it is possible for someone to vote in two states for the same election? Research it – it does happen. Ever hear of snowbirds? Yup, they have multiple residences – they’re SUPPOSED to vote in one state only – their home state. How many said afterwards that they had voted twice, especially those from the MI, IL, and PA! Now, that IS voter fraud in no uncertain terms.

    Having to provide identification is NO problem. You go to the doctor, even though you are a current patient – provide a picture ID; you go to charge something – provide a picture ID; you want to renew a driver license – provide a picture ID and lots of other official documentation: ORIGINAL birth certificate, marriage certificate if married, divorce papers if divorced, two letters (not advertising items) that include your name and address. It is more difficult to get a driver license than to vote and voting should have the fraud restrictions!

    The Dems/RINOs/libs/progressives are out to completely ruin this country using Agenda 21 and the “global” terminology. We MUST stand up for our rights and freedoms. This POTUS is chipping, no hacking away at our Constitution denying and abrogating our rights and freedoms. He has kicked the Constitution in the corner by repeatedly ignoring it despite his having taken the oath of office TWICE to support it. His puppeteer pulls all the strings and he eloquently delivers the lib lines to the masses while he is protected by the lame-stream media. Isn’t it amazing how many “stories” are not covered in the media – they only tell us what they want us to hear and ONLY one side with a spin. EWTN has a great news show The World Over with Raymond Arroyo on Thursday night. He provides information on much that the media is skipping.

    We MUST become active during this election campaign – speak to anyone you know, encourage them to become an informed voter – use the Internet to find viable sources and then vote WISELY not because of tingly feelings up their legs.

    May God help us all win the USA back to its founding principles. We must RESTORE our beloved America.

  • Jeff

    The only people complaining about having to show a picture ID are the crooked trash of our great country who enjoy living in the shadows anyway. Coming out into the light of day is against their credo because then they as well as others can see them for the phony lip-locked on the gov’t tit low-life vermin that we cannot afford to support anymore.
    How can Barry Soetoro get re-elected if ACORN cannot use dead peoples names on ballots ???
    Also, why are Barry Soetoros’ illegal aunt and uncle still in this country walking around free ?
    Come on America, before this great country falls flat on it’s derriere we need to show the world that we have grown a pair !

  • Rudy Fendt

    Let’s take it one step further… If you can’t provide ID and satisfactory proof you are NOT on any kind of welfare, then you do NOT vote. We cannot continue as a free nation if people can vote themselves more money for nothing. I’m afraid we’ve reached that point. You get welfare, you don’t vote. That’s the only solution I see to the current Entropy destroying us. But that won’t happen, and soon they’ll figure “wealth and income” are only partly related, and we’ll see a Euro-Socialist wealth tax next. Nowhere left to go but to the stars. I literally WEEP for our state of affairs.

  • Keith

    Oregon’s “vote by mail” law has opened up a highway fo voter fraud. My wife and I both received two ballots in a recent election. (we voted only once) Countless illegal immegrants have voted in this statte. There is no way to challenge these voters.

  • http://www.DefendingGod.org Tom B

    We need solutions, not negative lip service and division! The ACLU has destroyed our nation. If they feel that voter ID discourages citizens to vote then let them come up with a way to validate each vote as coming from a US citizen without their supposed discouragements. I do not mind showing my licence when I vote. If we all have to follow the same rule, then it comforms with our saying equal justice under the law. We need ONE law for ALL not one for some and one for others!

    If we lived in any other country, we would have to prove voter ID. In America, we are the only country that seems to allows anyone to vote. At least the ACLU wants it that way. We need consistent voter laws. What have we become? Shame on us! We need to return to accountability and responsibility for our actions, leading to changes, not elequent speeches void of humility and sincerity, from a hard lesson learned.

  • Tony C

    Hmmmm. Seems kind of absurd. I guess some of those disenfranchised voters would also have trouble during cold season because they won’t be able to buy a certain decongestant. So, maybe we can have congress draft a new law that says if anyone should find someone with blocked sinuses or someone who is constantly blowing their nose and that person hasn’t voted, well it would be the moral obligation to bring that person to a local Motor Vehicle divisi0n so they can get an ID. Then they can vote, and breath through their nose. Oh, sorry… trying to legislate moral behavior, I guess that might make me a democrat…. never mind.

  • Keith

    How hard can it be to produce ID’s Potus has produced 3 Birth Certificates and NONE are alike!!! He has SS number from Conn. A passport that is questionable. I believe that there are still 17 states with voter fraud cases from 2008 but I have NOT heard ANY results about that in 3.5 plus years ?????? COINCIDENCE?

  • USAF Veteran

    In addition to an ID, I propose that voters produce a 1040 from the preceding tax year to prove that they are taxpayers. If you don’t pay any income tax, you don’t vote–simple as that. In other words, no Representation without Taxation!

  • ross

    I had to show photo I D to rent A movie no big deal!

  • Radman

    Via their fight against any law that requires a government-issued ID if a person presents themself at a polling place to vote, the ACLU is INDIRECTLY promoting fraud by arguing against a requirement that will make it more difficult to perpetrate voter fraud. The allegation that the requirement for an ID will somehow suppress voter turnout of minorities and the elderly is specious on it’s face…in that I can think of hardly any business transaction today that does NOT require a photo ID. (I can’t even get any cash back from a check I’m depositing in my own account with a printed deposit slip from my checkbook without showing an acceptable photo ID.)

    If the libs spent only one-tenth of the time and money securing proper ID for the very few valid citizens without one as they do in trying to fight voter ID laws, they would have no argument left; and the integrity of elections would be better protected.

    The bottom line is: “One (1) identifiable individual who is also eligible to cast a ballot in the election being held equals one (1) legitimate voter. Period!

  • The Truth

    Voter ID laws are critical to the fairness of our election process. The disenfranchisement argument is a ridiculous one, intended to distort the truth and once again cast people as stupid and victims that can only be saved by the liberals. If the ACLU or liberals have such interest in drumming up voters then why don’t they bus these people to the DMV so they can get the proper IDs. The reason they don’t is because it is not the issue they make it out to be. If it were then the liberals and their lap dogs would be screaming that these poor, disenfranchised people cannot board an airplane, cannot get a mortgage, open a bank account, and on and on. If you are so interested in helping people ACLU and liberals then actually do it; don’t use it to cheat in an election. What about the disenfranchised voters who learn after the election that voter fraud occurred? What about us ACLU?

  • TOM DUNNE

    EVEN THE PRESIDENT HAS TO PROVE HE IS LEGAL TO RUN FOR THE OFFICE. OR DOES HE?? I AM PROUD TO ADMIT AND PROVE I AM A CITIZEN,ANY TIME,ANY WHERE AND FOR ANY REASON. TO LET PEOPLE VOTE WITHOUT I.D. IS TO LET AN ILLEGAL VOTE FOR YOU.

  • http://aol.com mimi

    I have been calling Washington, telling the POLITICIANS i want PHOTO ID ,TO BE SHOWN BEFORE YOU CAN VOTE!!!!!!! ANY ONE CAN GET IT ,IT COST NOTHING, NO ID NO VOTING,IT SHOULD BE THE LAW!!!!! CALL WASHINGTON WE PAY THEM ,THEY WORK FOR US ,OR SHOULD I SAY THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO WORK FOR WE THE PEOPLE WHAT A JOKE ON US, AND WE HAVE LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT FOR WAY TO LONG, DOWN WITH THESE PARASITES, I’M SO SICK OF ALL OF THEM ON BOTH SIDES!!!!!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE, A REVOLUTION IS COMING , WE REAL AMERICANS WILL NOT GIVE UP OUR AMERICA TO THE PARTY OF SLAVERY, DEMOCRAPS, AND RINOS THAT WANT TO RUN OUR LIVES NOOOOOOO FRIGGIN WAY WILL I SIT BY AND LET THAT HAPPEN ON MY WATCH!!!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE IT’S OUR TURN TO LIVE THE GOOD LIFE NOT ONE MORE PENNY SHOULD WE GIVE THESE PARASITES, WHO DO NOTHING FOR WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!! TIME TO START WORKING ON OUR RESOURCES,JOBS FOR US,JOOOOBS FOR AMERICANS,LOWER GAS PRICES, CALL WASHINGTON EVERY DAY TELL THEM THIS IS WHAT WE WANT AND WE WANT IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Todd

    Only three reasons why someone would not want voter ID,
    1. Illegal and can’t vote to keep their entitlements
    2. Already voted and can’t vote a second or third time
    3. Can’t use a dead persons name to vote in an election

    If odumer care force healthcare, same sex marriages on us then voter ID needs to be enacted NOW!!!

  • Frank

    Hmmm,

    Lets where you need to produce an ID
    DMV
    Airport
    Hospital
    Pharmacy
    Donating blood
    Banks
    Gun Shop
    Wrting a check
    Using a credit card (or debit card as a credit card)
    Adoption Agency
    Social Security Office
    Pawn Shop
    Court
    Jail
    Union Elections

    But NOT to vote.

    make sense to you?

  • Dave

    If anyone is “allowed” to vote more than once, It reduces the value of any other legitimate vote from a numeric value of 1 vote to a numeric value that is less than one. Why should the law not protect the MAJORITY of the voters that follow the rules? Why on earth should the laws allow for people to cheat and damage the value of everyone elses vote. Picture IDs would virtually eliminate the problem!

  • kelly

    o’BUMMER the GREATEST FRAUD sense the TROJAN HORSE I had to show birth cert. drivers lic. doctors report and proof of address for {now get this} 6year old little league!!! i’m sure it has something to do with national security. i feel safer already!!!!!!!

  • http://halebobb.com/vote.htm The Federal Farmer

    You’re all wrong.

    Because you vote you consent to be governed as you are.
    To take sides in this “debate” is to lend legitimacy to government’s RULE over us.
    You can be free.

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