Senate Moves To Allow Military To Arrest Americans Without Charge Or Trial

Posted on November 28, 2011 by Conservative Byte
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The Senate is set to vote on a bill today that would define the whole of the United States as a “battlefield” and allow the U.S. Military to arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial.

“The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself,” writes Chris Anders of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

Under the ‘worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial’ provision of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor this week, the legislation will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who supports the bill.

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  • bucko

    This is to much power for the President and will be easly abused!! Stop it now!!

    • http://facebook ronald yurchak

      This is pure insanity.

      • Marianne Hertel

        We need to vote for a new conservative President and a whole new congress! This is America not Russia or China!

        • Mona Callender

          we need a tsunami in 2012….get them all out of office…….start over with common since people….like little old ladies who have raised 12 kids with a low budget and have put all of them through college without borrowing a dime….just plan old hard work……God Bless You

          • gram jude

            Mona, is that you?

            Yes, it time for a huge change people?
            go to youtube: Republic for Arizona.org
            I am not great on the puter, and have been trying to
            verify the stuff of the videos..
            If this is all true, it explaines Lincoln and Kennedys
            murder and what is happening now…

          • Jacy

            If we don’t clean house now in Wash.D.C. we will continue to have more abuse from politicians who are only interested in their own political power – not you, not me. Our rights are continuing to be taken away and one day we will find ourselves in a third world country – slavery, and no freedoms. We have to stop this now!

          • prezelect

            It is time to do as our forefathers instructed in the Declaration of Independence to oust a form of government causing harm and install a new form of same. God willing, Benjamin Franklin will do just that by installing a new system of selection, not election. of thousands of names submitted for office, from ages grouping 30-50, the age of peak physical and mental ability. 50 will be selected after screening and testing for intelligence, honesty and integrity. Will continue later, received call, have to deliver kidney for emergency transplant stat. God bless.

          • PASSTHEWORD

            There is a storm coming, but not the kind you are speaking about.. The question will be where will the military stand in all this… GOD HELP THE USA..

          • idefendtheConstitution

            I have said for years that ANYONE who has studied even 1 semister of law is automatically forbidden from holding public office.

          • curtis langston

            thats what we need before its to late.GOD help us all

          • daves

            Support the ACLU!

          • linda

            I agree with you. The whole government is going nuts.
            our men in uniform do not want to have any part in this I am sure.
            Thats all we need is to trust another branch of our government.
            look where it has gotten us so far. Elect old men and wemon and just tell there country needs them and they have never failed to answer the call.

          • Korean Vet

            Yes Daves–I will volunteer to be a “Pall-Bearer” for any
            & all ACLU Members that Die–without a ‘Legal-Cause’-!

        • pete petersen

          the british did it and then came along JULY 4TH 1776!!

          • Steven Roll

            Precisely! Read the list of grievances in the Declaration of Independence and see if you don’t notice any frightening similarities to what’s happening today. We have the most imperious ruler since George III sitting in the Oval Office right now; just imagine how dictatorial he’ll become with laws like this in place, should he be re-elected to a 2nd term (God forbid!).

          • daves

            Urge your Senators to vote YES on the Udall amendment to the Defense Authorization bill which would remove the harmful provisions from the bill and in their place, mandate a process for Congress to use an orderly process to consider whether any detention legislation is needed.

            https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3865&s_subsrc=fixNDAA

          • True Patriot

            We’re 11 and o against Britian. We whipped their *sses about 11 times in 11 wars. Basicly, 12 will becoming pretty soon. I’m not afraid to whip a Brit’s *ss. The Rochester, NY police dept. knows exactly what I did to a British guy’s *ss. He is now spending time in jail for physical assault on a U.S. citizen. Website: http://www.haasstrep68.com

          • Gambler#7

            After the soap box, the the ballot box, comes the ammo box. If this crap is true it’s a call…. However, I don’t think the House would go along with the Nazi’s in the senate, but who knows …

        • Dorris

          Mariann, the Senate is the culprit,there are over 70% of the that are Socialist.Reid, Pelosi etc,etc,
          . that is where we have to start clean up.
          and I am gong to repeat my self, in saying this I am not a Republican.But if voting were today, I would be voting for Newt Gingrich.
          I am a registered Independent,I vote for the man not the party.(Which obviously most people did in the last election.)

          • Doris Carman

            I agree with you about voting for the person not the party. but I think he was so well oiled and presented that people voted for him perssonally not the dems. Our whole govt needs a house cleaning.

          • charles mcgee

            Nancy Pelosi is not part of our U S Senate.

          • gram jude

            Newt is a progressive in a republican suit…
            watch for his other hand.

          • Keith

            Dorris: Thanks for your insight. Most folks don’t understand how fundamentally conservative newt Gingrich is. He understands the role the Constitution is supposed to play in protecting our liberties, the rights of our states and the special character and values that make this nation a beacon to all mankind. Good for you!

          • George

            Then you would be voting for one of them who wants to enslave America. He said recently that the Bill of Rights should be used for minor offenses but not for major one.

          • hambone

            How could anyone want Gingrich as pres. He is one of the Beltway insiders.

          • Brian Bozo

            Dorris, I hope you are correct, my gut tells me that our new Teaparty candidate Newt is nothing but a wolf in sheeps clothing attempting to kidnap the Teaparty. This is the thing, he has been buddy ,buddy with way too many D.C. politicians for way too long to have any interest in the Teaparty, but he sees where they need a strong candidate and the Repub. party is willing to let him be their man, and with Romney as the Repub. candidate the vote would be split among them enough so our buddy Obummer can win another 4 years to finish his Socialisation of America. Once elected his true intents will be seen by all. Fannie and Freddie Mac didn’t pay him a couple of million dollars in advisor fees to have him vote to shut them down, on the contrary , he is embedded so deeply it is impossible for him to change his spots so quickly. Think about it, he came up in the polls rather sharply after Cain surged, neither party liked this so an influx of cash and ads for a popular and well known name. They can say he is Repub. and the Teaparty may swing his way, that is exactly what is being hoped for in the D.C. crowd.

          • BUD

            FUNNY YOU SHOULD SAY THAT, BECAUSE I CANNOT FIND ONE PERSON NOW THAT WILL ADMIT THAT THEY VOTED FOR obummer.
            SOMEBODY IS LYING.

          • richard

            and how is the hope and change thing working for those morons.
            any body with a half a brain could see this coming in 08
            rgf

          • noelle

            NO Doris
            D0 NOT vote for Newt, because this MIGHT HAPPEN UNDER Newt! SUPPORT RON PAUL! HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL SEE TO IT THAT THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN!
            We can NOT trust Newt! I so do NOT trust him, he is too big govt and will NOT cut the spending and size of govt!

          • charlie buck

            DONT FORGET JOHN MCCAIN!! HE IS NOTHING BY A COMMIE IN REPUB.COLTHING!

          • Stonovich

            Doris, you meant Congress rather than Senate and most readers got it in any case. Clearly the complexion of the Congress has changed — moving to the far left when the liberal Clinton was sworn in as CEO. With the exception of the 2010 midterm cleansing, there are still too many left wing lunatics in Congress with their penchant for larger and larger government with less and less emphasis on individual rights and responsibility and with the replacement of cradle-to-grave statist/socialist programs meant to destabilize the individual and impose governmental control rejecting individual initiative. The result is facist-like takeovers of private industry and individuals all in the name of the progressive banner. The “Spread the Wealth” mantra of the thief who “occupies” the Oval Office is a clear signal to the left wing of the Congress (your 70%) who want the socialist policies of the president as dictated by Soros and his minions to completely replace the system the founding fathers so carefully crafted — with the failed structures now in place in Europe.
            I favor Gingrich and his return-to-the-basics vision in 2012. In any case Obama and his far left cronies in the Congress, of both houses MUST go! As an Independent, you are able to separate the individual from the party and vote back in some of that common sense, so don’t be swayed by the false rhetoric of the silver tongued venture socialist now in office. As our nation crumbles under the direction of an elitist progressive it is incumbent upon the governed to remove the poison.

          • 1skeptic

            I agree with you as the same. Newt is O.K. now unless something comes out that is detrimental and true.

          • http://www.kidon.com/media-link MalikTous

            All the people who ‘voted’ for Obummer did so from two meters underground, via ACORN paying them to vote with dead people’s IDs multiple times. Same way Komrad Klinton and Lyndon ‘Birdbrain’ Johnson got in there, same way that fat fraud Teddy Kennedy stayed in office in Massachusetts. All illegitimate.

            I voted for Bob Barr and Wayne Root (Libertarian ticket) in 2008 because neither major party offered me anything to vote for. Biden is a filthy traitor from the Anti-Gun Lobby, Palin is a poacher – lousy record with environment and wildlife; McCain is a fossil and Obummer is a Kenyan puppet. We need all new government, kick out the extremists in both ‘major parties and put more 3rd party people in!

          • Jazz6544

            if you vote for Newt, then u can certainly kiss this country goodbye….he is a mere puppet on a string , just like the one in office now…he has all the right things to say , to fool idiots like you, we have NO one worth crap to vote for , McCain or Paul are the only 2 that I see make any sense at all…..

          • citizenbychoice

            Dorris, that is what voters do. They vote for the party not the man. I don’t mean all those that vote either.

          • greenteeth

            I hope they look at the wording on this law or bill, and it does not include the UN. if so I look for martal law before 2012 election.

          • http://Conservativebyte.com Clinging to My Religion and My Guns

            This is only reaffirming what that Card Carrying Commie FDR did with the War Powers Act which declared the population of the U.S., enemies of the United States of America Inc. just like Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire. That is why we have had a “King” instead of a President since WWII who can do whatever he pleases by “Excutive Order” including disbanding Congress! That is why there is “military fringe” on all the American flags in all Federally Funded buildings including all Courthouses and Schools. Not the same flag you or I fly in our yards! In actuality, we have been under Marshall Law ever since that OWO Pinko FDR signed that act.
            These traitorous scumbags in Washington have handed us nothing but an “illusion of freedom” and smoke and mirrors while they went about the business of destroying the greatest nation since the dawn of time with their dog crap agenda and squeezing and stealing every dime they could out of us in the process with draconian tax code. It is without question the biggest theft, transfer of wealth, and crime against humanity in the history of the human race. IMHO, I think we should start “arresting” crooked politicians for Treason, Insider Trading, Knowingly following an “agenda” designed to bring America to its knees through Diversity, Multiculturalism, Entitlements, and Illegal Immigration and a host of other rotten $hit they are guilty of! The real criminals reside inside the Beltway! They are starting to flee like rats on a sinking ship, like that milky licker Barney Frank, because they are starting to figure out we have had enough of their happy horsedung and we will no longer tolerate anyone plotting to have our children wake up slaves on the continent their Forefathers conquered! They will all flee “offshore” and live comfortably on the hard earned tax money they stold from American Taxpayers! It makes my blood boil!

          • chuck

            newt is not for big gov’t…how could you say that after he balanced the budget for all those years? He already has proven he will cut spending!! Newt 2012 THE conservative voice

          • LocalYokel 35

            Perhaps you are yet unaware of Newt’s CFR membership and its intentions for US future. Look for a truly patriotic candidate among the few that the media intentionally ignores. They can emerge only after those accepted by their agenda screening and elevated by media propaganda and debate training have been exposed by documented history of their nefarious financial affiliations. Media can only be expected expose them as a face saving effort after failure of their treasonous political agenda.

          • USAF VET

            Princess Nancy isn’t a Senator. She’s supposed to be a Representative, although she sure doesn’t represent the views of most of the people, just the idiots in her district.

          • john

            People voted for Obama in the last election because they were Africa/Islamic/drug users/Homosexuals/(white women with African/Islamic children)/liberals/Illegal voting polls/voter intimidation. If you think anything has changed; YOU BETTER THINK AGAIN. This is a WAR of RELIGION not a POLL for the PRESIDENCY. It is a WAR against CHRISTIANITY and everything the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES stands for.

          • paul

            I’m affraid it’s too late, this country’s lazy, welfare leechs voted this Marixt in to the office of President, this is proof in the pudding, were in for a Nazi type government. They already have the death camps (fema) along with Military trains to cart us off to the camps. Hope the free welfare checks was worth it !

        • Doris Carman

          What about the senate/thats who is proposing this piece of junk.

          • URKiddinMee

            Our dear old amnesty proponent, Lindsay Graham of SC is one who supports this affront to the Constitution! I’ve been trying to call his Greenville office all morning. Many others must be callimng also, or else his aides have their phones off the hooks. (864) 250-1417 Maybe other SC citizens will give it a try.

          • Ed Beach

            Please NOTE the truth be told it isnt only the Democrates that want the bill to pass even some two faced Repubs want to see such a measure come to pass pass. And acknowledge the Military wont give anyone a free GO past jail In the end time they pledge to serve the govt. Never saw where they are to serve the civilian population what so ever.That becomes where you become a soldier of the people Sadely tho it be. Too old for this crap anymore

          • The Traditionalist

            Doris, if you will go to http://www.thenewamerican.com/files/Freedom_Index_111-2.pdf you can find out for yourself how your senators and representative have voted on recent bills. The bills they voted on are listed and a brief summantion is given. Scan down to the index score card just below the list of bills and find your state and senator or representative’s name Pluses are assigned the votes that are according to the Constitution and negative symbols are assigned to those that are not. This may help you on deciding who to vote out and who to retain.

          • Marlene

            The Senate is top-heavy with Liberals. That’s why they’re proposing this insane piece of junk. It’s what BamBam wants.

          • Judy

            My problem is that I have that boxer whore and frankenstein as my senators. I don’t have a chance until I leave the communist state of california in my dust as I make haste to get out.

          • American Patriot

            The Senate? They are in it for the show..they don’t care about the “People” If they did ,they would be solving problems instead of creating more

          • http://facebookbut Dorothy Heath

            Doris I agree the senate is run by Harry( Althiemers )Reid and it said it was the senate they were trying to put it thru and he doesn’t vote for anything Good for the people!I don’t trust that old goat AT ALL! How come Graham and Mc Cain are pushing this army arrest thing also?It’s getting so we don’t know WHO to trust anymore!You guys are right throw them ALL out come Election time and get some Honest,God fearing ,America loving people in there!We need to cleanup Washington BIG TIME!

        • charles mcgee

          Actually, it is both. The genie is out of the bottle. Secrecy abounds.

          • Villa Merkle

            BINGO! Exactly, finally “We the People”, are catching on enmasse!

            With this Bill passed the Government could turn all od America and it’s residential areas into one giant internment prison camp
            whereby the residents have no rights whatsoever! This is worse than Nazi Germany was!

          • Dor

            It’s about time American citizens pull their heads out of their behinds!!!!! The takeover of the US has been planned for a VERY LONG TIME. The (un) Patriot Act gave them just what they needed to amp up their plans and good old Newt thinks the Patriot Act should be strengthened. Do you really think he’ll support the Constitution????? Vote Ron Paul, who in his 31 years has ALWAYS voted with the Constitution!

          • http://talktalk johnnyh

            Well, it looks as if USA is falling in line with the EU!!
            THAT organisation has been ruled by unelected `Crats since its inception.
            If the Hill gets this through, there is likely a slippery slope to civil war ahead.
            (And if you wondered wht Ms Clinton backed the UN vote on gun control, NOW you know for certain).
            The one thing the politicos cannot count on though is that the military will comply. After all, split loyalties were evident in the Colonial War against the Brits., and the USA still prevailed.
            The proponents of such measures should be sentenced for treason!

        • Craig Stock

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          • Charlie S.

            Craig Stock; To hell with Ron Paul his military policy in vertually non-existance. The Constitution requires for the common defense of the citizens. I am starting to think that he is anti-military.

          • Dani

            Ron Paul 2012!

          • fluter

            The military supports Ron Paul. Why shouldn’t you, Charlie?

          • LibertyLover

            Craig, that’s way cool.

            Charlie S. Please personally verify the source of the information that is forming your opinion it is erroneous.

            Here’s a direct link to Ron’s Campaign page. This link will take you directly to his National Defense Policies page.

            http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/national-defense/

            Ron tried to warn everyone about the government’s disregard for your Civil Rights. But you probably agreed with Mitt, both Ricks, Michelle, Herman and Newt.

            Poor Ron Paul was the only one concerned about the Government killing Americans without a trial. Judging from the support from that audience, everyone there agreed “Kill ‘em”! Guess the government figures “They all went along with that, let’s go ahead and do this too”.

            Chances are that “Crazy Old Ron Paul” is the only candidate that really gives a Darn about your “Civil Liberties”.

            Food for Thought.

            P.S. Bet you were all for John McCain in 2008
            how do you like him now?

          • Dennis

            Ron Paul 2012

          • American Patriot

            @Craig Stock,
            RON PAUL 2012
            RAND PAUL 2016

        • cluv

          Where is this bulls..t going to stop?, this is the first time in my life that im afraid of my own Country.This is a nightmare and should not be allowed to be law. How far are the American people going to be pushed?.

          • BUD

            THEY WILL BE PUSHED ALLLLL THE WAY TILL THE REVOLT BEGINS.

          • Jim

            The majority have no idea what is happening, they are watching monday night football, or some “reality” show and go about life with blinders on. The mass media has taken this country from Patriotic,faithfull,hard working people that we were and were portrayed to be to a bunch of weak,lazy,discontents that don’t waste their time being truely informed. We allways feelt that “It could NEVER happen here” Well it is happening !! the dumbing down of the masses is having the desired result !

            It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth — and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
            Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775

          • noelle

            it is a nightmare! straight out of the book 1984!
            Mccain and graham are the jerks behind this!
            AND RON PAUL IS A SUPPORTER OF THE MILITARY! HE BELIEVES WE NEED TO STOP THIS CRAP CALLED NATION BUILDING AND MIND ARE OWN BUSINESS! WHICH WE SHOULD AND BRING HOME ALL THE TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We do not have the money, as this country is bankrupt, to start wars that we do not need to!
            America was a lot better before any of us where alive, it was when we did not have a bloated govt, started wars we did not need to, had all our troops on us soil and did not get involved in telling other countries how they could be run and what leaders they could have, no irs, income tax, dhs, fed reserve, labor, commerce, hud, hhs depts!
            IT IS TIME TO CUT THE SPENDING EVERYWHERE AND BRING HOME THE TROOPS FROM THE 100+ BASES OVERSEAS!

          • Dor

            Noelle, You are right. What they have planned pales the book 1984. These wars are being started so they can install central banks in every country. This is the agenda of the global elititsts, the global bankers and corporations. This is being done to usher in their New World Order and one world govt.

          • LibertyLover

            “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty”.
            Thomas Jefferson

            Where are we now?

          • KM

            @Cluv,
            I know what you mean about being afraid fot your country. Sholuld also be (afraid) for oneself.
            Another comment mentioned that this is the Senate proposing this legislation. Correct. And to the reply that “itis not only democrats in on this”; well DUH! The two supporting or sponsoring this are so-called Republicans,Graham and McCain.
            This legislation sounds worse than the mistitled “patriot Act”.

        • LuluBelle

          There is no time for that now. Obama knows he is toast, and the rest of the liberal progressives up for reelection are as well, so they have to step up the pace and do it now before the elections take place. Lock and load, everyone. I predict a bumpy ride. And call your senators!!!

          • darksoul326

            have you noticed that in all most all polls 70% of americans want to tax the top 1% and its the republicans that would rather see the country burn in a pit of poverty and discontent before they give up $1 of their errrr… i mean the rich peoples money to help pay the debt. also

            just another point ITS REPUBLICANS who support this bill.

          • babs

            Aaah! This explains why “he’s’ bringing the troops home so soon.
            Ron Paul is the only answer. Cannot trust NG. I like the sound of Paul/Bachmann.

          • http://talktalk johnnyh

            In answer to Jim, also, Patrick Henry also said “Give me Liberty, or give me Death”.
            Looks like citizens will have to look to their Constitution in the coming days, (and stock up with ammo and weapons)
            If that fails, the citizens of the USA will have to look to France for military support as we did long ago, after all the US has gone to the aid of France twice in a hundred years!

          • LibertyLover

            No, no Babs, Paul/ Johnson. Their policies are near identical. Everyone who isn’t aware of Gary Johnson’s campaign needs to research him.

            If Ron stats true to his word and won’t run Third Party, I imagine he will offer his support to Gary’s Campaign. Gary is the only one who met the criteria of a candidate Ron could endorse. But let’s not worry about that

            Ron Paul 2012!!!

          • American Patriot

            Great name, LuluBelle, It was my Great Grandmothers given name. sooo, you must be one tough cookie…keep up the support

        • stan

          Actually, Marianne, we’ve elected plenty of ‘conservatives’, like Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, and look where it landed us. We have Obama as the direct result of this string of ‘conservatives’.
          Note too that one of the key sponsors is another alleged ‘conservative’, John McCain.
          No, we do not need another conservative (consider Gingrich, Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Romney…), we need a Constitutionalist. We need a Ron Paul.

          • Masked Aardvark

            Ron Paul sounds like a good candidate as conservatives and liberals both go overboard in their political dealings… except for one thing that bothers me. I work at a place that requires concentration and clear-headed thinking. Marijuana (which he advocates to legalize) alters perception and augments thinking. If his political stand goes through completely, I could get a ‘contact buzz’ from someone next to me who is exercising his political right to escape reality, in my work-place’, outdoor smoking area, through the use of marijuana. That in turn could cause my job to be in jeopardy due to an altered state brought on by something I absolutely do not want near me. Wouldn’t that be in violation of my rights?

          • nutz2u2

            Right! Ron Paul will pull our military out of foreign nations, and bring ‘em home. The military can then concentrate on detaining citizens of the USA, according to pending legislation in the Senate.

          • Dean Bartlett

            no we have elected many rino’s not conservatives at all

          • Patriotic nut

            Don’t be confused so easily there Stan. I don’t know any conservatives who would classify Nixon, or either of the two Bushs’ as canservatives. They were moderates and bent in the wind to the liberals all to often. That is what got us here. As for John McCain, he should be a democrat from the word go. Ron Paul is not ever going to be elected so get over yourself and strive for improvement where it may be possible.

          • Ralph

            So,when in God’s name will you braindead brainwashed
            total ignormaus Ron Paul freaks ever finally accept the
            fact almost 80- year old crazy two time loser already
            Goofball Ron Paul was rejected twice already by the voters and will be again in 2012! A Vote For Crazy Old
            Fool Ron Paul is A Proxy Vote for Barack Obama!

          • Dani

            AGREE!

          • Brian P.

            Actually, the only true conservative of the ex-presidents you mentioned is Reagan. Nixon was no conservative. He was another RINO. Samething for Bush I, and while Bush II gave lip service to conservativism, he governed differently. He was definitely NOT a conservative. Republican, yes, but conservatism and Republican are not the same thing.

          • fluter

            Well Ralph maybe it is Ron Pauls turn. Maybe you need to start seeing the light.

          • Steve

            We may need A Ron Paul but we don’t need Ron Paul. I am going to vote for anyone but Obama, but Ron Paul scares me. Every time I hear him say something that I can agree with, he follows it up with something that just sounds crazy. Plus, he looks OLD. Only the Ron Paul cult will vote for him. If it comes down to Ron Paul and Obama, we might as well move to Canada or get ready for 4 more years of Obama. And for those who advocate 3rd party candidates, that is how we got Clinton; Perot took many of the Republican votes and Bush I lost to Clinton. Democrats will vote for Obama; 3rd party candidates divide the non-Democrat vote.

          • Mike

            Stan, if you think Ron Paul is the right guy for the job….. Think again! We Must have the strongest candidate, debating the Obamation, Why? Because if you put up a person like Ron Paul up there, you will have elected 1) a Jew Hater, we currently have a Jew Hater in the white house Now! 2) Ron Paul will allow the arms build up to continue in the Middle East which will put us at further risk! Read the current stories about the EMP BomB!! Iran soon will have the capability of launching this on us and if allowed to do so will completely shut down anything running on electricity, Including but not limited to Airplanes, main frame computer systems that run everything from water systems to rail road systems, Electric Power in general will be shut down! I used to support Ron Paul, But after doing a little research I learned that both he and his son have aligned them selves with Code Pink!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK!! Google —-Code Pink & Rand Paul! This is exactly why we find ourselves in this predicament!! U.S. Citizens are not willing to See Who they are actually Voting For! We can’t afford the wrong choice!! I will support Newt Because He has the experience to take charge and start us down the right road….. Now having said that I will tell you…. He is a part of the Republican Machinery… Not Good!! But you must understand… Getting our Country back IS A PROCCESS! Four years from now we can install someone that is more of a strict constitutionalist!

          • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/feds-confiscate-fisherman%E2%80%99s-881-pound-bluefin-tuna%E2%80%A6worth-maybe-400k/ Gary Smith

            How very correct you are Stan. Many of the severely confused on this list who merely aspire to be conservative will likely vote for someone who stands precisely where Obama stands today. Some say vote for Gingrich. If so why not vote for Obama? Obama has been slammed more for his Health Care Mandate than for any other governance he has provided; yet Romney and Gingrich both voted for Health Care Mandate.

            So the Liberal News Media spreads the word “Ron Paul is unelectable” and those who truly want the right things for Americans swallow it completely. Why? Who knows?

            Ron Paul is running and that means the Republicans and Democrats are fearful. But the Liberal News Media says “he’s unelectable.” Well, if we don’t get him in then we will have Obama Policies for another 4 years minimum. Far too many people simply want Obama out. What I want is Obama Policy out. This means no Gingrich, no Romney. These so called conservatives who complain about Obamacare would actually elect someone else who holds to the same policies. Incredible.

          • William

            @Masked Aardvark

            Ron only advocates the legalization of marijuana for medicinal purposes as it has been proven to ease nausea and other symptoms as a result of chemotherapy.

            As a Doctor, he as well as many other Doctors feel that patients that lawfully use “Medical Marijuana as prescribed by a licensed physician for the relief of chemo-related side effects should not be arrested.

            As for the rest of the drugs issue, Ron feels that legalization and enforcement need to be left to the States. The Federal government exhausts huge sums of money in the War on Drugs. We as a nation are running on broke. By relegating such issues back to the States those monies can then be appropriated for other programs.

            It’s not very likely that any US businesses would allow the use of marijuana on company property. Not to mention Business will still retain their rights for Drug Use Screening. Remember, alcohol is legalized, but if you go to work drunk, you’ll most likely get fired.

        • RangerWW2

          Marianne, Our elections mean nothing, no matter who is elected,
          he must do the bidding of the Marxist traitors in our government The communist founded ACLU and U.N. are trampling all over
          our Constitution, which is being destroyed bit by bit by domestic
          enemies, from the Oval Office on down… and Congress and Senate can’t do anything, they’re dead as a door-nail.. at least a door-nail isn’t worth’less.

          • Most Rev. Archbishop Gregori

            You can add the U.S. Supreme Court among the traitors to the Constitution. They have been responsible for allowing so many unconstitutional laws to remain, by claiming them to be constitutional, even though they knew otherwise.

        • John Dorworth

          This bill was written by John McCain.

          • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/feds-confiscate-fisherman%E2%80%99s-881-pound-bluefin-tuna%E2%80%A6worth-maybe-400k/ Gary Smith

            Where can I derive that information that this was written by McCain?

          • shirley

            john dorworth……i want to know where you got this info…..that john mccain wrote this law……..!!!!!!!to many times wrong items are throw out and we don”t know where it came from………..i do not like mccain but i want to know if he really did write this bill. i know that lindsey graham is for it and he is another one that needs to be removed….

        • Richard Vandervort

          You say we need a whole new Congress and even though most should be removed this time it’s the Senate and there all should be replaced from what I’ve seen so far.
          Look up the American Communist Party in this country and see their Registry of card carrying members then see who in government is on that list and read their list of agenda’s in their doctrine then you’ll know where to focus you attention from there.

          • Jacy

            I believe there are 80 card carrying communists in our Congress. Let’s face it – it’s time to clean house on both sides of the isle. There are only a handful that are worth their salt. Pelosi, Dirty Harry, should be tried for treason along with Obama.

        • Fuzzy

          WE HAVE MARXISTS, COMMUNISTS, SOCIALISTS IN THE W.H. AND CONGRESS NOW WHAT DO YOU EXPECT????

        • Richard Garver

          It’s the conservatives that are proposing this!!! We need both points of view to keep our country free & open.

        • L Hayes

          Election of whole new Congress will never happen! Here is the scenario: Congress enacts this new law; Occupy movement ratchets up the violence; Obummer calls out the troops; Imposes Martial Law; Suspends Elections indefinitely; Removes ‘conservative Congressmen and Judges’ because they interfere with efforts to “control the Violence”; Finally, Bill of Rights and Constitution are suspended!!!

          • http://talktalk johnnyh

            Where is the Supreme Court in all this? Is it not in their purview to strike down any action likely to undermine the Constitution??
            For where can Americans go to if no-one in authority stands for the Constitution which is the supreme law of the land??
            Only to the act of self preservation of their country.(eg people`s militia)
            NO army commander could go against the people, as any law not based upon the consitution, can be deemed illegal, and the army swear allegiance to the Country and Constitution, not Senate !

        • Patty

          From someone who has lived in two Communist countries, I’m here to let you know that the NEXT STEP IS A STATE SECURITY FORCE — A NATIONAL “GESTAPO” STYLE POLICE FORCE IN THE HOMELAND — exactly like they have in Cuba and other Commie nations. They hang around out side of Catholic Churches (about all that’s left as far as churches go). If you participate in the Mass by reading one of the day’s readings, they can and will take you in for interrogation, after they have had you sit for hours in a 3′ x 3′ cell.

          If you’re in “crowd” of three or four persons, friends, family, etc., and someone EVEN MENTIONS Fidel Castro’s name, State Security (who has eyes and ears EVERYWHERE) will drag everyone to headquarters where each one goes to his/her own 3′x3′ cell. Then they set out to find out why and who mentioned the SOB’s name!

          ARE YOU READY FOR THIS AMERICA? IF NOT, THEN WAKE THE HELL UP!!!

        • Charlie S.

          No we need to vote more conservatives in the Senate to have a supermajority so we can take back this country. I am so sick of this “through the baby our with the bath water” mind set. The reason why this is a do-nothing Congress is because the Senate still has a simple majority Democratic rule.

        • Joan

          God help our country if this goes through.

          • shirley

            JOAN this is the senate that is passing this bill……..we know that most of them are socialists……..and to think that lindsey grahamn is for this bill………i never liked him anyway…….. iowa is making a film to encourage sarah palin to rethink her decision for running………..LIKE HER OR NOT ….SHE IS THE REAL CONSERVATIVE,,,,,,,,WE DO NOT HAVE A GOOD LIST OF CANDIDATES EVEN AT THIS POINT……THEY ALL SEEM TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING THAT IS NOT FOR THE GOOD OF THIS COUNTRY…… WE NEED TO VOTE IOO% IN UNISON AND GET OBAMA OUT…….

        • E.Blake

          THIS IS TREASON!
          A DIRECT VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION.
          IF THEY PASS THIS THING, IT IS AN ACT OF WAR ON THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

          • Patriot 101

            I must agree that this is war on the people of the US. It is War only against those that will resist however. Media will encourage “patriots” to turn in their neighbors that have guns. That is how far off our country has gone! The true patriots will be turned in by the idiots begging for a king!

        • oldtexasgal

          Unfortunately, one of our Progressive Republicans is co-author of the Bill – from the Prison Planet website (link below):
          “The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA bill.”
          Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial
          “NDAA detention provision would turn America into a “battlefield”
          Saturday, November 26, 2011
          http://www.prisonplanet.com/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-intern-americans-without-trial.html

          • David in MA

            Posse Comitatus Act: Definition from Answers.com
            A law enacted in 1878 to prohibit the use of the U.S. army in civilian law enforcement,
            unless otherwise instructed by the president, thereby excluding the military …

            http://www.answers.com/topic/posse-comitatus-act

        • http://conservativebyte.com Rhoda64

          Sounds like everyone in the WH is trying to turn the US into a Communist country w/American Holocaust coming sooner than we think. The Democrats want every American thrown in jail and I think it is going to take overthrowing this government and getting everyone of them out of the WH immediately. Not next week but now. All of you that are ready and writing these messages need to call the WH and let them have it. We are suppose to be their employer but it looks like another Hitler time is coming with Soros being Obama’s Prime Minister. Act on this immediately or we will be letting the WH get away with taking the American people captive.

        • Mollyeee

          What???? This system can not be fixed because it is not our Republic!!! You vote counts for NOTHING! There are more straw-men then humans! They pick, place, & choose every stinking one of your presidents!!! Watch this video & listen closely to what he is telling you. Then do your own research so you can decide for yourself! Republic Education and Recruitment
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYEAmy5jP-M

          This is it in a nut shell America~ Lets get busy undoing the dmg that has been done to our Great Nation! Forget everything you ever thought you knew and re-educate yourself on America’s true history… The de facto system is failing, there is no need to get caught by surprise when that happens. God Bless America’ and keep her safe during this transition to her “only” Lawful Government of & for we the people…. /deepcurtsey~

          • Dennis

            That is very interesting.

        • http://yahoo Jan

          MORE LIKE GERMANY 1939.
          ADOLF OBAMA HAS TO BE VOTED OUT..
          CAUSE CONGRESS WOULD NEVER IMPEACH HIM

        • Scott

          I’m sorry I voted for McCain. I should’ve voted for Paul.

          McCain is a hero and I’m glad for that, but I believe he is becoming a paranoid fascist. It’s a shame. Oh, I’m sure he would say he knows better than me, but that’s just what paranoid fascists say.

        • Ernest

          http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/5840.html
          We need to call our representatives and stop this now. Do not think that letting off of steam here is enough. Call your reps do not let this happen to us.

        • NancyJ

          Please note. You didn’t read the comment. It was the SENATE, not the House.

        • Clara

          It had to come to this. Once this law is in place, every single person who disagrees with the President will be scooped up and placed in concentration camps. Can you spell Adolph Hitler? That’s precisely what he did. If we don’t impeach NOW, there won’t be any voting in 2012. The Union gang army will be going door to door along with the military and your families, friends and neighbors will be disappearing by the thousands. Who then will save the world from the coming tyranny. Americans are so complacent they can’t believe anything like this will happen. Read your WWII history and you will discover that the German Jews couldn’t believe Hitler would do what he did. Germans thought Hitler was wonderful, that’s why they voted him into office. Boy …were they sorry! Sound familiar. Start screaming for IMPEACHMENT NOW before it’s too late. Drown you respresentatives, Congressmen and Senators for action NOW, not next year. We have only 11 months left to save ourselves!!

          • shirley

            i am hoping to hell that any of you out there that voted for this bas—- will hang your head in shame…….this jackass has been taking us down from the very first day he took office…. this is only one more step that will take place under this administration….. john mccain has been a traitor from the beginning,,,,, what makes you think that sarah palin had a good time with him………..she was never allowed to speak as she wanted………and lindsey graham is the next traitor…….these guys have become rich on the backs of us tax payers and they never were really interested in the care of this nation………..i am going to call FOX NEWS

        • kthprkr

          You people are completely out of touch,, the conservatives like this type of thing as well as the liberals,, it said right in the article that Lindsay Graham supports the move! Who gets elected next year will not change this,, we all need to call our “representatives” and demand that they vote against this and demand from all future candidates that they will repeal it if elected!!

        • George2

          This bill passes…and ob can declare martial law just anytime he wants! Contact your congressmen immediately, and straighten them out.

        • Andy

          We may not get to vote again if they pass this.

        • Bluewolf

          If this happens, he will instill martial law and take over as a dictator. There is no reason for th is other than that purpose.

        • Leone (Lee) Woodard

          Yes it is America, and I believe our men and women serving this country would NEVER harm Americans without provacation or threat to themselves. I think the White House and the DOJ need to peddle their garbage somewhere else. Please help us take a stand and stop this administration.

          • American Patriot

            Keep your powder dry

        • Auntie Di

          not for long if something isn’t done to unseat this president. I fear it is already too late and that we have become a dictatorship.

        • Jaclyn Barnes

          Marianne,I agree with you one hundred percent,we need to start.With Congress,Senate then of coarse the president!I hope that when people go to the polls next November,they stop and think!What this Marxist Dictator Barrack H.Obama has done to America!Also how he had the presidency bought for him!God forbid he gets reelected America will be like,Russia or China!

        • http://www.BornAgainHeathens.com Tim Hays

          Do you sincerely believe there will be elections in 2012?

        • Jim Harrison

          It used to be America. Get used to it unless the silent pulpits call this nation to repentance. Conservatives have tried every way they know. The “occupy” rabble are following their Communist leaders in high places. They drink the koolaid and walk in lockstep. The “law does practically nothing. Tea partiers hold rallies, but they have to pay for a license. Ask the Mayor of Richmond why. He too is one of them. And the beat goes on and on and on. The broad way to destruction is inevitable without God in the equation!

        • mainiac

          The republicans are supporting section 1031/1032 not liberals

      • James Andrews

        You’re right Ron-time to stock up on ammo, if this crap continues.

        • Michael

          If this piece of crap passes, no amount of ammo will stop an Abrams tank.

          • rotor700

            Then you need to vote for Ron Paul. He is the only honest one of the bunch, and is not a war monger by any means.

          • old sergeant major

            au contraire, my dear friend.

            and it won’t take that much to accomplish the mission.

          • pete petersen

            NO AMERICAN SHOLDIER WOULD FIRE UPON AMERICANS…THEY WOULD BRING IN NATO…foriegn military would…like the hessians during the revolutionary war.

          • Rafael Lopez

            Another Abrams M-1 tank will. I served with the 6th Cav as well as the 12th cav in the mid 80′s.

          • rotor700

            Where do you get that info from? You would be surprised how easy it is.

          • Caped Crusader

            Maybe not Michael, But it will sure as hell stop the fuel tanker that brings fuel to the tank!!!!!!

          • Elwood

            Of course, being the kind hearted, milquetoast and humble sort of soul that I am, I would probably not resist such an arrest. But if they tried to arrest some of the gorilla types that I know, without charges or trial, before it was all over they would realize they shouldn’t ought to have done that!

          • Tim Smithpeters

            Yes, there is a way to take out an M1 Abrams tank. I was stationed ar Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD. when it was being tested many years ago.

          • PASSTHEWORD

            There has been a movement among the military to sign pledeges that they will not take up arms against fellow citizens. How much water that holds is yet to be seen. As a South Carolinian, I apologize for the ignorant voters that re-elected Graham. I did not vote for him. He is an embarassment to the state and the US>>>

          • Ernest

            I second the motion to vote for Ron Paul don’t stop there call your reps today and do not let this dictator take the last steps to silence freedom in the U.S.A.

          • fluter

            @Elwood,
            They would be leading you to your death.

          • William

            @pete petersen
            Nato isn’t an issue. It’ the UN you must fear.

        • Randy131

          It always amazes me how prophetic the Bible really is, as in Eccleliastes: Ch.1 Vs.9, “What has been, that will be; what has been done, that will be done.” What the Senate is attempting to do, King George did the exact same thing in American Colonial times, which resulted in the American Revolutionary War, and a couple of Amendments to the US Constitution in our Bill of Rights (2nd and 4th Amendments). I wonder if the result will be the same this time around?

          • Randy131

            Sorry, left out the last part of Ecclesiastes: Ch.1 Vs.9, “Nothing is new under the sun.”

            Vs.9 in it’s entirety, “What has been, that will be; what has been done, that will be done. Nothing is new under the sun.”

          • hambone

            I guess it would depend if we have the military on our side.

          • Jim Harrison

            The Book of Ecclesiastes shows us the folly of man apart from God. His attempts to think and act autonomously is “vanity of vanities;… all is vanity” (1:2). God will not be mocked. Our nation long ago moved away from our covenant with Him as expressed in the Mayflower Compact and the earlier colonial charters. God gave us our independence from an oppressive king and parliament, but independence from God just doesn’t work.

            Apart from trusting God, there is nothing new under the sun. However, with the Lord, we have a new song (Psalm 96:1; 98:1: 144:9; 149:1; Revelation 5:9), a new and living way (Hebrews 10:20), God tells us new things (Isaiah 48:6), a new covenant (1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:8; Luke 22:20), a new hope (1 Peter 1:3), and it goes on and on. Fight for the right, but don’t leave God out of the equation!

        • chuck bushong

          James, I’am in an organization that requires the men to have at least enough to get the family by for 3 days, including having guns and ammo. I have enough to get by 7 to 10 days. I have a repeating rifle and automatic pistol with over 1500 rounds. We have been expecting this for along time. We are in the south that has been under US occupation for over 150 years.

          • KM

            @ Chuck,
            A week’s supply of food is barely enough. The whole food chain in America is more fragile than you think. Necessary things would quickly disappear from store shelves in a panic.
            To all commenters, be discreet about what you have, better not to post it here or even tell friends and family.
            If this bill gets passed in the Senate, I honestly don’t know what our options are.
            My two Senators are Dems and Left so I don’t think a letter to them on this issue would have any impact.

        • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/feds-confiscate-fisherman%E2%80%99s-881-pound-bluefin-tuna%E2%80%A6worth-maybe-400k/ Gary Smith

          Gingrich and Romney were both for mandated Health Care.

          Rick Perry is so interwoven with Muslims I wouldn’t even consider him. It was Perry who called for a salute at a Football game for a certain Muslim Leader.

          Ron Paul is the ONLY ONE WORTH CONSIDERATION.

      • Saundra

        Game on….lock and load people!

        • VT Patriot

          You got that right Saundra. I am a strong believer in the Military, and find it hard to believe that any of the good folks I know in uniform will descend to this level. Some may, but I believe they will be greatly outnumbered by the true Patriots. I always have enough ammo to keep me active for a few days, always buy or reload more than I need.
          And my weapons are always loaded…

      • del

        Only the dopeocrats would come up with such an outrageous unconstitutional piece of sheer crap!!!!! They should all be impeached and fired and jailed for treason against We the People!!!!

        • Dan

          Ah, but it the Republican House doesn’t kill this thing, that says TONS about the fact they are THE SAME!

          Lindsey Graham should be strung up along with every senator and congressman who votes for this crap along Pennsylvania Blvd!!
          Vote them out?? HELL NO!! That’s too good for them.
          ARROGANT, ELITIST TRAITORS!
          They are pushing for another French Revolution.

          • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/feds-confiscate-fisherman%E2%80%99s-881-pound-bluefin-tuna%E2%80%A6worth-maybe-400k/ Gary Smith

            They are the same. And even Fox News will slam Obama for his health care mandate and then excuse Romney in a dozen ways. Almost every thing they complain about concerning Obama they allow if it is a Republican that says it. So it isn’t about the policies as they would have us think, it is about the “Who said it” and not “What did he say.”
            All of these so called conservatives are the ones who are going to get us in the same mess. Be it known and know well that the Republican Congressmen could just as well go one way on a policy as another. They, like the Democrats, simply want to stay in power.

      • American Patriot

        Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who supports the bill should be the FIRST ONE arrested along with every one that votes for it!!!!

        • http://Yahoo Goatie

          Is Lindsay Graham up for re-election this next go-around? If he is not voted out, he needs to be recalled. And, why not a recall ovomit? We could do a recall on all of congress that we don’t like. Most of them need to be taken out…then, term limits put in place….including for the Supreme Court.

          • http://conservativebyte.com Rhoda64

            I think there needs to be a recall on everyone in the WH and then Impeached or fired.

      • http://yahoo Luca Brasi

        Patriotic Action Must be taken NOW ! The America we know and love cannot survive this administration untill 2012 ! Desicisive action must be
        immediate !

      • JDH

        This legislation would essentially negate the bill of rights. President Obama would effectively become Dictator Obama for life. There would be no 2012 election and anybody who would speak out could become a traitor and be arrested. Congress and any opposition would become supefulous and be dealt with however those in charge saw fit. This is not your father’s republic that WWII and Korea any more. There are too many OWS slugs and too few Tea Party people to fight back. We can only hope the military follows the constitution instead of their so called commander in chief. Most of us, no matter well armed, wouldn’t last very long even against the police, let alone armed soldiers.

        • SSG US Army

          Well this is one M.P. that will not be doing any of that if it goes through, I am with the people, and I am not with the SD (Gestapo). Oh, and if this happens start looking for the
          SS-Totenkopfverbande you know the concentration camp guards

          • http://Yahoo Goatie

            So, now it all fits. Remember talk of the new prisons that ovomit built in this country that have no inmates in them? He obviously has a plan for those once Tea Party patriots are arrested for terriorism.

          • Old Sarge

            Goatie:
            If you are talking about those FEMA camps that have been circulating around You Tube, it wasn’t Obama that ordered their construction. There have been powerful forces working behind the scenes to convert this country to totalitarian socialism long before Obama was even born. The first roomer I heard about such camps was about the old railroad car repair depot in Indiana. That was during the Reagan Administration. If Reagan knew about them, that would mean he condoned their existence. According to the latest information I have heard there were, initially as many as 600 of them planned and many have been completed. All that construction could not have been completed in the two years and eleven months that Obama has been in the White House without attracting a considerable amount of attention. The initial order to build them could possibly have started with Carter, Ford or possibly even Nixon. Knowledge of them would also have to include Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 42., Obama would only be another small piece to a very large puzzle. If you only want to believe that Obama is the one who ordered their construction, I am sure there is someone in New York that would like to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn. No one wants to see Obama out of office more than I do but spreading these roomers is not the way to do it. You need to do some research that you obviously haven’t done and make sure your allegations are based on more concrete fact.

      • JUMPBOY

        You sure got that right.

      • Darlene Culotta

        If THIS encroachment on our rights PASSES, we might as well get ready for the detention centers because this government will round up the average American citizen without any warning, and put them in FEMA camps. I was hoping that this prediction was untrue but it seems to be unfolding before our eyes now days. If Obama is re-elected, he will come for all the GUNS and after that, they’ll round up everyone as dissidents… If we keep sitting by and just talking about this Dictatorship government and don’t take any extreme actions to clean out the Congress, White House and Senate, we will be like the Jews
        when the Holocaust happened and caught them unaware… We know
        how THAT story ended. Where are the American Patriots in this country ? Wise up America.. We’re being rounded up like lambs to
        the slaughter.

        • VT Patriot

          We’re here, just stayin below the radar…

      • rosemarie

        marshal law , and dictatorship on its way , get read of him now.
        hi hates the unided states so much , hi will do annything to desteuy it , and make a diktatorship out of the USA

      • rosemarie

        urkiding me
        i called the number you put in your comment, the number dos not work, it is out of service, so you see graham dos not like to be questionet, he is not a rep ,hi is adem , out hi gose. obama that thug oooooooooooooo

      • oldtexasgal

        Unfortunately, one of our Progressive Republicans is co-author of the Bill – from the Prison Planet website (link below):
        “The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA bill.”
        Senate Moves To Allow Military To Intern Americans Without Trial
        “NDAA detention provision would turn America into a “battlefield”
        Saturday, November 26, 2011
        http://www.prisonplanet.com/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-intern-americans-without-trial.html

      • Eddie G.

        Right on ronald yurchak! It’s beyond insanity,who the hell submitted a bill like this. The ultra puke Lindsey Graham says he supports it. He’s gone totally daft with the rest of his ilk. We don’t need to vote ‘em all out,we we need to haul ‘em all out in front of a firing squad to end their tyranny starting with their Messiah Blackberry,Pelosi,Reid,and Eric the Holder.

      • http://www.USAonly.US USAonlyDotUS

        Here is Bill S-1867. It is 682 pages . Which Senator has actually read it? That ain’t all folks , there are all kinds of reduced benefits for enlisted folks . Where do we find Benefit Reductions for Congress, give me a Bill #?

        http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf

      • Army Vet

        What is going thru L. Grahams’ mind????

      • http://CONSERVATIVEBYTE SQUEAK

        RONALD. IT IS INSANITY…THIS IS FAST BECOMING A SOCIALIST, GOVERNMENT CONTROL COUNTRY… THIS IS COMMUNIST TRAITS..OBAMA IS PASSING ALL KINDS OF BILLS TO PROTECT HIM IN CASE THERE WILL BE A REVOLUTION..HE WILL HAVE THE MILITARY ON HIS SIDE…WE MUST CONTACT WHOEVER WE CAN TO STOP THIS MAD MAN & HIS THUGS IN THE SENATE, CONGRESS & WHITE HOUSE. GOD HELP US AMERICANS !

      • Ricardo36

        PLUS UN-AMERICAN!!!!

      • NoSpankFrank

        Heil Barry ! Are we in trouble or what????

      • Infidel

        Why do you think they put all those Katrina mobile homes in barbed wire compounds next to rail road sidings?

      • richard wagener

        Maybe this would include the Military arresting Obama and Crew.

      • http://Facebook James Bradford Morris

        What we have here is a Josef Stalin. The KGB, and Hitler’s SS could arrest, even destroy any human being that shows any thoughts against the state. Comrade Obama is getting too big for his britches. IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH the comrades whoever they are, wherever they are.

      • http://cardoni6 frank carmody

        We did it long ago, arresting American citizens, seizing thier businesses, property, bank accounts, shipping them by rail to the American version
        of internment camps. They were impounded behind barb wire and chain link fences guarded by armed military. America set back and applauded.
        For those too young to remember we did it to the Japanese Americans early ii 1942.

    • Dingbat36

      They can’t enact a law by themselves, let’s see them try to get that one through the (people’s) House!!

      • Mona Callender

        OH HONEY, you have been living in a cave……look around you….listen, he has already signed 80+ executive orders……he thinks he is king….and the sad thing is our senate and house aren’t doing anything to stop him….so lets make 2012 a tsunami…………show them what the real USA is all about.
        God Bless You ALL

        • Steve M.

          Then you had better google TRUE THE VOTE and sign up to be a poll watcher because the dem’s and unions will cheat any way they can. That’s how Harry Reid was re-elected.

          • American Patriot

            ®Steve M.,
            RIGHT ON!!!!

          • http://Yahoo Goatie

            Amen to that, Steve. And, that was the night the lights went out in Nevada. Just the day before elections, Reid’s conservative opponent was way ahead in the polls. There was fraud that day, in more than one way. And, they’ll try it again. They are Chicago thugs and will do anything…anything to get what they want. This will be the second American Revolution, if we want to keep our Freedoms. Prepare for your familes….

          • Ricardo36

            IT’S ABOUT TIME WE ARREST AND PUT IN CHAINS ALL THESE (PATRIOTS?)

        • http://ConservativeByte.com Tina A

          Remember back on January 4, 2010, Newt Gingrich revealed on”The O’Reilly Factor” that Obama had QUIETLY signed an Executive Order on December 17, 2009, effectively handing over ALL police powers and authority over to INTERPOL???? At the time, (nearly two years ago now), Gingrich wondered why ANY president would do such a thing. Gingrich pointed out that the signing of this treasonous Executive Order was done so, well out of the light of media attention or public scrutiny. It was just after Christmas that the Washington Examiner reported that this “new directive in the form of an Executive Order, signed by Obama, may be the most destructive blow ever struck against American constitutional civil liberties”. Furthermore, Andy
          Mc Carthy at National Review Online exposed the various and quite specific dangers of this Executive order. Briefly,
          #1-INTERPOL (which has relationships with Syria, Libya, and Iran) will NOW have the ability to operate within the territorial limits of the United States WITHOUT being subject to the same constitutional restraints that apply to all domestic law enforcement agencies such as the FBI, and…
          #2-INTERPOL’sdomestic facilities–including its office within the US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE–will be IMMUNE from search and seizure by US authorities and from disclosure of archived documents in response to Freedom of Information Act requests filed by US citizens.
          Mc Carthy went on to say that, “Essentially, Barack Obama on Dec. 17, 2009, handed INTERPOL agents the right to operate as an UNTOUCHABLE POLICE FORCE WITH UNQUESTIONED, UNRESTRAINED AUTHORITY INSIDE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. FURTHERMORE, OUR COURTS AND JUDGES WILL HAVE NO RECOURSE TO STOP INTERPOL FROM DOING AS THEY SEE FIT WITH ANY US CITIZEN”, unquote. ***If this 2 year old information , coupled with today’s breaking news article is not enough to persuade OWS “protesters” and others who previously sided with liberals that we have been being lied to and are being “set up” to fall as a nation before the 2012 elections can even take place, I honestly don’t know what it’s going to take.

        • http://Facebook James Bradford Morris

          Hey sweety, Obama is a Muslim Communist. The man could care less about America and the people. My ancestor Wm Bradford came to America in 1620, on the Mayflower. The people came to have freedom of religion, and to be free men and women. If our ancestors could see what was going on now, they would turn over in their graves and cry…Jim

      • ajfrench

        Really? They aren’t asking the people anymore. They have the money, now they want the land and a population de-plosion. They are afraid of dying from poor water quality or lack of food. They have no God but themselves. So they are willing to annihilate 85 percent of the population to save themselves. They demoralized America in order to bring about this order, or should I say disorder. They are insane. Christians are not. They hate Christians because Christ brought stability and order to a world very much like this one today. For this Christ was killed on the cross.

        • 724willy

          Aj, You make good points, but that is not why Christ died on the cross. He died that we might be redeemed from the curse of the law. ” The soul that sins, it shall die “. He died to pay our sin dept, The just for the unjust, and only thru the acceptance of this truth can we avoid the consequences of our sin, He went to the cross in our place, as our substitute, and now thru faith in the finished work of Cavalry, we can have eternal life.

          • Tim Smithpeters

            You speak the truth 724willy.

          • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/feds-confiscate-fisherman%E2%80%99s-881-pound-bluefin-tuna%E2%80%A6worth-maybe-400k/ Gary Smith

            I agree he died for our sins, but he likewise brought civility to an uncivilized world. Through the teaching of Christianity people could unite; but heathen rulers don’t desire this type of stability as they consider it a threat to how they control the populous. I think AJ has a good point here and I don’t consider it a contradiction to what you are saying.

        • http://msn.com bill s

          ajfrench the only thing that they have is arose a sleeping giant,the loosers in goverment dont have any idea of what they have started,the tru americans will not take this laying down.

          • william thompson

            how sadly wrong to say Americans will not take this lying down. Many who will resist will enter an eternal rest( or an eternal torment worse than all of the despots of the world filling the House and Senate) and the others will even provide their own Vaseline as they prostitute themselves to their new owners. Lying down is the least stressful position for showing lack of inertia/iniative.

        • agcarpenter

          Bout time someone mentioned JC in this quagmire called The Congress, I am embaressed to be a Patriot, to what is the question, we are in serious need of some true Americans to take charge and remember one crucial fact. This is a society based on GOD and we allways will be forever. KISS, always a patriot

          • Chris

            Keep it simple stupid is right! We have complicated Gods will and allowed filth to dictate to us… God bless you!

      • boone

        The people have no house anymore it’s all ran by commies.Load up on ammo before they make that agains’t the law.It’s high time we the people stop talking and start fighting.LIVE FREE OR DIE!!

      • http://gmail wog1

        My problem with all of this is, will Obama sign it in by Executive Order?

      • william

        they do it on a regular basis..lol

      • JohnGalt

        Given that John McCain was one of the drafters and the bill is supported by the Republican Senators, that’s never going to happen. You could let your Senator know that you support the Udall Amendment – if you can hold your nose while you agree with a Dem.

    • anonymoose

      Nobody is going to do anything about it…. I don’t know why they even bother saying anything about it.. we all know we lost our country a long time ago already.. however this ends, it won’t be good for anyone…

      • John

        So what country you live in. I live in the USA and I have not lost it.

        • Mona Callender

          WELL NOT YET!!! BUT MOST OF IT YOU HAVE!!!

        • rotor700

          So you think!

      • ajfrench

        Fear not. God is going to visit upon this land all manner of tribulation which will be to the wicked. Those who cling to Christ will be safe. For their end will be an invitation to heaven and eternal life. This will not be extended to the greedy, the sexually perverse, liars, murderers, and the like.

        • Saundra

          AMEN!

          • http://Yahoo Goatie

            Amen! Christians, keep your minds clean and your hearts pure. Christ is the answer.

        • Dell

          I would rather work to help us through this ‘mess’ than sit back and wait for Jesus to destroy ‘them’. Just saying the sinners will go to hell (whatever your description is of it) in my opinion is only spreading fear and loathing. If you don’t like the elected officials, vote them out. Volunteer, help the needy. If you see a wrong, understand why it’s there and try to change it. I would much rather meet God having helped than damning ‘them’ all in a handbasket.

          • RangerWW2

            Dell, I believe we should resist the devil and his works in our Republic, as we see our politicians and courts working diligently to rid our Nation of GOD who has blessed us beyond measure… You say we should vote
            these politicians out, in over 87 yrs. I’ve seen my share of voting, and look where we are, we have more domestic enemies now than we ever had…so I have no faith in any
            politician to straighten out the mess in our Nation, but
            GOD can.. 2 Chronicles 7:14, ” If MY people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and heal their land. “

        • boone

          WELL WE CAN STILL FIGHT UNTIL HE GETS HERE.

          • Dell

            The scary thing there to me is who determines when ‘he gets here’? Maybe he’s already been here and your definition of him was wrong. Maybe he’s not coming during our lifetime. I certainly don’t know and don’t want to know. Since we don’t know, are we supposed ‘to fight’ until then (the rest of our lives)? Not how I choose to live. I much prefer to live and help than to live in fear and hatred.

          • Paul

            Sort of following Jesus command “Occupy until I come.” He has not come yet so we must try to right the wrongs as best we can remembering to love our enemy but that does not mean we do not resist them. We resist the wrong they do but do not hate them. Kind of like my father told me when someone starts a fight with you, finish it but do it with a smile on your face. Hatred only hurts the hater. Live right, oppose the wrong, and always trust in the Savior.

        • william thompson

          You are correct of future (and present) events.
          As a National Guard MessDaddy, My Biblical mandate to “occupy the land” recognises the Sovereignty of God and the Responsibility of Man to put it into effect. Just ordering the rations was of no use without preparing and serving them. There is another side of the Military Occupation Skill (MOS) which is overlooked. We not only had to be technically profecient, but also had to be tactically competent. We were a part of The Last Line of Defense. I sadly fear The Outer Perimeter has been breached, and we are all now The Last Line of Defense. Our nation is our weapon. Are we capable of using it? Do we know how to maintain it ? Do we know how to repair it? Every Marine, ever Soldier is first and foremost a rifleman.
          When people change how they think, then they change how they act.

          • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/feds-confiscate-fisherman%E2%80%99s-881-pound-bluefin-tuna%E2%80%A6worth-maybe-400k/ Gary Smith

            Interesting post. It certainly would not be difficult to out maneuver most military men of today. This is especially true for those who have military experience going back 30 years or more. Our military intelligence is geared to understanding and predicting enemy movement and methods outside the borders of the US. If enough people are interwoven within the ranks of those attacking us we certainly have a good chance. I sure hope it doesn’t come down to this.

        • Susan

          Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!! No prayers or mention of God at the 911 rememberance, a little boy taken away from his parent(s) bec. he is over weight, no freedom of speech. What happened to my freedom of speech? If I want to display the American flag, I WILL!!! If I want to say, “Merry Christmas” I WILL. My life is in God’s hands, not Mr Obama’s.

        • Sean

          This sounds like something a fundamental religious terrorists would say…

    • Paul D Erwin

      So socialism begins,kind of like marshall law with obama as the dictator.If this is passed it will be the first step towards communism,the disappearance of freedom and an Americans rights as a citizen.Any politician that backs or votes for this bill is a socialist and an obama backer which will lead to a socialistic government.

      • ajfrench

        No, Obama is the little horn. The UN will put Bill Clinton in as the President of the World. Why do you think they have been exposing him so readily.

      • Dell

        This country has been socialist every since the government collected taxes for the first time and used the money to help us (building roads, military, water pipes etc). That’s what socialism is. Without we would not function very well. Perhaps you mean totalitarianism. The word socialism is usually meant as a throwback to the ‘red scare’ days as a precursor to communism; meant to whip us into fear. Of course there are levels of socialism, but I don’t see how we could do without it. I like the government building bridges for me.

        • VT Patriot

          “I like the government building bridges for me.”
          Hey Dell, ever hear of VT? Ever hear of hurricane Irene? You have any idea how destroyed the ‘infrastructure” was up here? SO where the H**l is the stimulus money to rebuild our infrastucture? Not a F**ing dime of it has been put to use here. We’re still driving thru river washout beds, going 15 miles out of the way cause the bridges were washed downstream.
          This admin is a complete fraud. I pay my taxes, I get nothing in return, not even a rebuilt road to get to work on. Wake up, smell the coffee…

          • Dell

            I was just out to southern Vermont a month ago and was blown away by the damage that happened. Was also impressed by how many of the road sections had been repaired.
            As far as the stimulus money VT Patriot, Vermont does seem to be getting 15M which should go a long way one would hope. Must be pretty crappy having to deal with it day after day though.
            As far as nothing in return, I do have to say that you can say that w/o fear here. That’s unique for many people around the world.
            That all said, are you in favor of the military having the power of arresting any American at anytime? What if the person criticizes the government?

      • pete petersen

        LOCK AND LOAD BABY!!

      • pete petersen

        SECOND STAGE WILL BE COMMUNISUM!

        • American Patriot

          ®pete petersen,
          We have MARXISM, SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM & ZIONISM now!!!! That’s a enough.

          • Paul

            Those are the groups supporting and pushing the useful idiots of the OWS crowd. Kind of reminds me of when the
            Apostle Paul was opposed in Ephesus (found in Acts 16) and the riot started. Most of them did not even know why they were there. These idiots think they know why they are there but what they think is not the real reason. They are pawns of George Soros. Why do you think they did not go to his house when the marched to billionare homes?

      • Ross

        this was not the first step by far…..one crooked law builds on another,

      • boone

        MAN THESE PEOPLE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOU UNTIL PEOPLE THAT WANT FREEDOM GET OFF THEIR ASS AND START USING FORCE WITH THIS SORRY GOVERNMENT THEY WILL DO AS THEY PLEASE.AS FOR ME I HAVE LIVED FREE ALL MY LIFE AND I WILL DIE AS A FREE MAN.IF THEY PASS THIS LAW THAN THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE OVER RULED THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS A CALL FOR CIVIL WAR IT’S IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION YOU SHOULD READ IT THIS GOVERNMENT IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW OF THE LAND.

      • RangerWW2

        Paul, I mean this respectfully… Martial Law

        • rosemarie

          THE THUG IN THE OVAL OFFICE HAS SIND AN EXEUTIVE ORDER FOR MARSHAL LAW , BY HIM SELF ,BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, SO THERE IT IS , AMERICA , WHAT HAVE PEOPLE DON, TO YOUR SELF, I WHENT TRUE IT ONCE I DONT WHONT TO DO IT AGAIN, IT IS BAD,
          WE MUST GET THEM ALL OUT

    • Insurgent

      Washington, DC is America’s cesspool for liars, whores, and thieves.

      • HWill

        Please don’t lump whores in with the despicable

        • bucknaked

          so what would you call piglosi?

          • Caped Crusader

            A slut comes to mind for piglosi, You know, like Hanoi Jane…….

          • Insurgent

            A three-bagger !!!

        • JimRed

          Correct; at least whores provide a service.

          • Insurgent

            And you get a little kissin’ with the screwin’ !!

        • Eddie

          HW ..you’re right… Unlike with liars and thieves with whores you know what you’re getting !

          • Caped Crusader

            I wouldn’t reccomend kissing Whores……..Lol

        • Joe

          Hwill,
          Re “Please don’t lump whores in with the despicable”. I agree. The ladies don’t make excuses about their services as do the socialist/communist/Marxist/islamofascist sobs in DC.

      • robin

        Please don’t insult those groups of people. DC is far worse.

        • Tejano Jack

          Linday Graham is an idiot! He needs to go, just like the two idiots in Maine. T.J.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

        Most are Republican hypocrites, who talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk. There are plenty of conservatives who do not support civil liberties, oppose free speech, support censorship, and have voted for extra legal powers of the FBI and CIA. The conservatives talk big about reducing government, but few have really done that when in the Oval Office. Reagan and the two Bush twins increased government and lowered taxes on those who can easily pay more. Until the Great Recession, our largest deficits were authored in GOP controlled years. They have supported farm subsidies, the oil depletion allowance, generation, Medicare drug bills, faith-based initiatives, dynasty trusts, and big military boondoggles for unneeded and obsolete weapon systems, along with low taxes on the rich along with capital gains loopholes.

        As to your arch enemy, the ACLU, it has been that liberal group which has fought for freedom of speech, assembly and the tearing down of censorship. You folks can re-write history any way you want, but as Oliver Wendell Holmes, a famous Republican Justice of the US Supreme Court said, you are entitled to you opinion, but not to your one facts.

        You may despise the ACLU, but for all you proto-fascists and Nazi lovers like American Patriot, etc, the ACLU has defended the right to even allow Nazis to march. So, in a sense, OWS has a right of protest, no more, or no less than the Tea Bag Brigade, which has stormed Congressional offices and open meetings and has shouted down speakers. You cannot have it both ways.

        • truth

          you must think the rest of us do not know the facts! you are so wrong and sound like an angry,messed up person!!

        • Slick Willy

          You that last statement bass-akwards. It’s the Flea Baggers(you know-OWS!) that storm in and shout-down those of sound minds, common sense and reason.

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            I am sure you can spell better, but if you can’t so be it. The OWS are more representative of America than, in your words, The Flea Bag Brigade (Tea Party). That generation is easing itself out of the picture. The OWS people, for better or worse, are young, different ethnic and racial backgrounds (not lily white) middle class, decently well-educated and are now experiencing the after-shock of the Bush Collapse, the Great Recession, the contraction of jobs, the cutback in Middle Class spending on trinkets and the concentration of capital in the 1%, who pay less taxes than any rich group in American history. During the halcyon days of the Reagan two tax brackets (28 and 15%) certain dynamics occurred. One was poverty increased greatly, the amount of billionaires grew exponentially , and the budget deficit tripled. In other words we had our largest peacetime deficits in history. What happened after the Great Communicator, his successor faced recession, more deficits and had to break his promise, “read my lips, no new taxes.” He wound up out on his ass in 1993, after getting the lowest vote percentage (37%) of an incumbent since the Martin van Buren days.

          • VT Patriot

            rjgarfunkle, Ok, so now it’s clear. You’re an ows maggot. Shame you weren’t around when Reagan was Prez. So are you texting from one of the rat infested camps or Mom’s basement. Whichever, I truly hope you understand when you get away from the funny stuff you’re smolin now. You’ll be miserable if obozo gets thrown out, or you’ll be much smarter if he doesn’t. Miserable, but smarter. Either way, you’re going to be miserable. Why change now?

        • pete petersen

          ACLU …is the starting point of socialism that will lead to communisum!

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            For VT Patriot- I know that you have a problem with comprehension, but no I haven’t been on Wall Street since I worked at Bache & Co, (probably before your limited time) as a stock analyst in 1969. As to being a maggot, I am sure that you are “smolin.” By the way what is that word. I looked it up and maybe you meant strolling, trolling, or being droll. As to you and your witless comments, keep on dreaming. Obama will be sworn in on January 20, 2013 and you’ll be watching re-runs of Hee-Haw and Beverly Hillbillies and drooling in you Millers.

        • Len

          Your problem is that you still see Republicans and Democrats. You need to google the word BILDEBERG and see who the hell is really running the country! They are on both sides of the fence. You still think the bull that the mainstream media is putting out is true! Wake up idiot!!! These people, JP MORGAN, ROTHCHILDS, ROCKERFELLERS, GEORGE SOROS, and many more are all in cahoots to bankrupt America. The new market is China. That is why even today as we speak, all of our jobs etc are going over there! It has nothing to do with Republicans or Democrats.. But of the same, patriots come on both sides of the fence too.. Just don’t let them take your guns! If they do, we are going to see Hitler all over again!

        • LuluBelle

          You have it exactly backward. It is the lefties who have stormed Congressional offices and shouted down speakers, and worse, not the tea party people. I’ve never heard of this “Tea Bag Brigade” but if it exists, it was started by militant leftists. And you need to read up on your history and see why the ACLU was started, the reasons behind its creation. But of course you will reject the truth because it doesn’t fit with your plan of destruction.

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            The truth shall set you free. I think that you haven’t been paying attention to the Tea Bag Brigade and their tactics. But most of the right-wing nuts of the GOP were surprised, even Rep. Paul Ryan, when he floated his lead balloon idea regarding Social Security and the budget. It wasn’t OWS young folks, but old white codgers of the Tea Party variety that protested his idiocy. Of course I am of that generation and am old enough to know and recognize fascists and Know Nothings when I see and hear them.

        • RangerWW2

          rjg, There are many of us here that know where you’re coming from, and we know who founded the communist ACLU and for
          what purpose, “to destroy our Nation”, the same as the communist UN. The ACLU (Anti Christian Liberties Union) is a
          ‘chameleon’, once in a great while they come out in defense of something that doesn’t amount to a pot of beans… 99% of the time they are working to remove crosses from military cemeteries and to make CHRISTIANITY, (no other religion) as
          something vile in our nation.. And one has to be blind not to see it.

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            If you are correct and I have my doubts, I support very little of their agenda, but my point was, and I repeat, they have defended civil liberties of all sides for over 100 years. As to your various claims about crosses in military cemeteries and the like, you would have to have more proof then your word. As to many of you, if civil liberties meant anything you would be more tolerant. Your accusations about communism, race, bigotry, religion beg your issues. You and your ilk are very selective about rights. It seems only your narrow concept of them applies.

        • Tejano Jack

          Though very irritating and frustratingly obstrutionist, I never complain about the ACLU. The Bill of Rights is our most precious document. Infringements on the BoR are always a two edged sword. People must always keep that in mind when they advocate something while saying, “Oh our government or our military would never do that”. I assure you they would, especially under the threat of losing their own well-paying job or imprisonment.

          Cops, bureaucrats and soldiers would kick down your door, kill your family and take everything you own. Our forefathers understood this. That is why these protections are in law, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

          You know, I’m not a fan of Ron Paul for several reasons, but he is 100% correct regarding our expansive, intrusive and unconstitutionally bending government.

          I’ve always said the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, but no, everybody says it’s OK, including one of my Senators. Those numbskulls don’t understand that laws like the Patriot Act lead to what wear talking about today. It’s the old slippery slope folks. Next they’ll be rounding up everyone on this blog and all members of the NRA. T.J.

        • Rick

          Agreed, ows has the right to PEACEFUL protests, Not destruction of property, stabbings, shootings, rape, and general mayhem. You know, Pissing and sh-ting on public & private property. Ya’ they have the right, but they have no respect for others or even themselves. They act more like Neandrethols than modern man. At least the Tea Party didn’t leave garbage & crap for the cities to have to clean up.

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            What did they destroy? What did the Bonus Marchers destroy when they were routed and burned out by Herbert Hoover and General MacArthur. What did the Ford workers get when they were routed by the State Police? You decry the power of the state, but when it serves your purpose you are happy to have mindless scabs break heads while police turn aside. You are anti-state until it serves your purpose. But, who said, “moralizing conservatives are hypocrites. It has not only been said, but it has been true forever. What new Elmer Gantry to you wish to follow?

            Protesting, picketing, and free assembly, no matter what how heinous the cause is protected under the Constitution. But to many of you scholars, original intent is your mantra. How do you know what the Founder’s original intent was? Was it only white property owners having the right to vote? Was it the 3/5ths compromise? Was it Dred Scott? Was it Japanese Internment? Was it the New Deal?

            How about the “sermon on the mount.” How about “the meek shall inherit the earth,” the “golden rule,” “charity for all.” and many other statements straight from the Gospels. When it comes to tolerance there is little here that can be discerned. When it comes to charity none can be found. When it comes to racial and religious bigotry, it is rife.

        • Joe

          rjgarfunkel
          Here are some issues the ACLU supports:
          Legalization of homosexual marriage
          Legalization of child pornography
          Legalization of prostitution
          Legalization of live sex acts in public
          Legalization of sex between adults and children
          The ACLU defends the North American Man Boy Love Association whose motto is “sex before 8 or it is too late.”
          Removing “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance
          Removing our motto “In God We Trust” from our money
          Forcing the Boy Scouts to accept homosexual scout leaders
          Removing prayer from school and public events
          Abortion on demand, without parental consent
          Legalizing illicit drugs
          Physician assisted suicide
          Partial-birth abortion
          Mandatory sex education
          Legalized polygamy
          Tax supported profane art

          Here is what the ACLU is against:
          Parental notification for minors having abortion
          School vouchers
          Filters on public library computers
          Student led prayer in schools
          Nativity scenes on public property
          Sex offender registries
          Broadcast decency laws
          “Choose Life” license plates
          Tax exemptions for churches
          Posting of the Ten Commandments of public property
          Prayers before high school football games
          Parental consent laws
          “Abstinence before marriage” sex education

          • Holy Trinity Advocacy

            ACLU, you’re sick and evil. I’d love to whip your *ss!!! This is a DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST THE ACLU — LOCK AND LOAD!!!!!!!
            Website: http://www.haasstrep68.com

        • http://CONSERVATIVEBYTE SQUEAK

          RIGERFUNKLE, YOU ARE AN IDIOT…WHY I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE A STUPID DEMOCRAT, LIBERAL..YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT..WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS….IT IS NOT THE INDEPENDENTS, REPUBLICANS….IT IS YOUR PRESIDENT , SENATE, CONGRESS, THUGS, PELOSI, REID & ALL HIS SZARS THAT IS WHO !! WE ALL SHOULD STICK TOGETHER TO PROTECT OUR GREAT COUNTRY & THE AMERICAN PEOPLE INSTEAD OF WORKING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, DON’T YOU THINK ????

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            Listen Squeaky Fromm- the word is Czar or Tsar and it was most recently used by Republican presidents. I think the Democrats want the 1% to pay the same rate of taxes that existed before Bush II. I know that I am closer to the 1%ers then you are, but for sure they don’t need me to fight for their generation and dynasty trusts.
            You should reed Professor Ray C. Madoff’s Op-Ed in the NY times last week how they are gaming the system big time.

            But keep on fighting for them, keep on drooling, keep on cleaning your rifle for the revolution to come, keep on storing water and gasoline in your shack just in case the revenuers come for your hooch. How with our expensive educational system did you slip through the cracks. It goes to show that big government cannot solve all the problems of the unbalanced and the mentally deficient.

        • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/feds-confiscate-fisherman%E2%80%99s-881-pound-bluefin-tuna%E2%80%A6worth-maybe-400k/ Gary Smith

          First, I think you misunderstand “Freedom of Speech.” Along with fos we have right to assemble. Within the right to assemble we have the right to form groups and set our own terms of assembly. Properly understood, Freedom of speech does not guarantee the right to speak within an assembly wherein one is not a member and has not attempted to meet membership criteria. Religious groups may assemble, set the terms of assembly, and set the terms of membership within a category. The ACLU constantly fails to recognize the rightful and proper application of the right to assemble.

          Next, it is the ACLU that has misapplied the laws governing “squatters rights.” One particular rancher out West was forced to relinquish his own property rights to some illegals who had been camping on his land for more than 7 years. The ACLU gave the squatters legal counsel, then litigation in court and the claim was that since the rancher did not remove them and allowed them to remain on his land for several years –the Judge declared the illegals the legal owners.

          There are instances wherein the ACLU has done some good work in court; but more often than not they reflect the disposition that success is evil, and all who prosper simply take advantage of the poor and wanting.

          You keep your ACLU, and keep your hands out for a hand out simply because you are lacking the talent and initiative to succeed without some organization like the ACLU getting you what you are unwilling to work for or simply have not the talent to make it through life without whining.

      • pete petersen

        YOUR RIGHT ABOUT THAT THEY DISCRACE THE NATION NEED TO GET THEM OUT AND PRISION TERMS SET FORTH..BY THE PEOPLE & FOR THE PEOPLE WE SHALL & MUST PREVAIL! “when the people fear the goverment…thats teranny…when the goverment fears the people…thats freedom….thomas jefferson”

      • Cameron

        There once was a little boy who was called to testify as a witness in a trial. The prosecution objected, saying he was too young to know the difference between lying and telling the truth. So, the judge tested the lad. “Do you know what happens when you tell a lie?” “Yessir, you get elected to Congress, and if you lie under oath you get elected to President!” The boy was deemed competent to testify!

      • American Patriot

        @Insurgent,
        You forgot NYC and Chicago again….

      • Bione

        Look at it this way. Just think about all the jobs that will be created building all those prisons! Urkell and his czars need to have some place to lock up all of the steel wool scrub pad stockpilers, exploding turkey enthusiasts, and all of us who believe Urkell is a crook.

        • SSG US Army

          If your talking about the prisons that need to be built, there all ready in place there called FEMA camps like the one out side of KC. Mo.

    • Dan

      “The history of governments is the history of tyranny”!

      ITS STARTING, FOLKS. I SUPPOSE I’LL BE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THEY’LL ARREST.

      • http://jennie.cyclec@yahoo.com Jennifer

        Me too!!! and I am 73 y.o. I hate his guts, cannot stand to see his ugly, lying face on the news. I cried the night he was elected because I was so proud that the USA could elect a smart, black president. We were really progressive. That didn’t last long…didn’t know Soros, the Panthers and Muslims had bankrolled him. We talk and talk but if we don’t pray and stand strong, this country we worked so hard to give to our children will not last another year, much less the next four.
        Golf or a basketball game anyone?

        • American Patriot

          @Jennifer,
          It ain’t his idea, it’s his puppet masters!

          • Joe

            American Patriot,
            You are right. It is the puppet masters. However, the puppet needs to be neutered for going along with the program of the strings.

        • sonny

          We had better be talking about ARMS instead of “sports.”

      • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

        The history of governments is the history of civilization, civil order, public projects, schools, institutions, museums, the building of the Transcontinental RR, the Interstate Hwy System, the Space Program, TVA, the huge dam systems, the development of the Internet system, the Erie Canal, our great airports and the greatest of America. Anarchists oppose government and foster chaos. As soon as government shuts down, your water, electricity and heat would soon shut off along with the delivery of your welfare check. Then we would really hear you bleat.

        • 724willy

          RRR-Funkle,
          What you credit to ” Government ” is a list of acomplishments that were achieved under an individualist representative republic,” by the consent of the governed”. The first in history to have ” certain inallionable ” rights. The record of collectivist Governments , is the murder of 170 million plus of their own citizens, and poverty and starvation for all but the elitist criminal leaders.

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            Are you drunk with your own words? What kind of historical and hysterical claptrap are you spouting. All those efforts were facilitated by government fiats, contracts, subsidies and oversight. The Hoover/Boulder Damn, the Golden Gate Bridge and a myriad of others would have never been started except by government initiatives. All the privately transit companies went broke from cutthroat competition. Wake up and get off your couch and stop swilling beer and stuffing your face with chips.

            What crap about collectivist government are you spouting? Our government, long before Lincoln killed and starved hundreds of thousands of Native Americans and if there would have been more there would have been more violence, more reactions against us and more dead and maimed. They were dispossessed from their homes and sent on the “Trail of Tears.”Where were your inalienable rights for them and the Slaves? How many lynchings and race riots did the local authorities, tolerate, condone and initiate? More than you can count since you have only ten fingers and ten toes.

            Wake up, your flummery is quite flawed. There was no more consent of the governed then there is now. In fact, the trusts, inter-locking directorates, and the combines owned the Congress. Its influence declined in the Progressive Era first under TR, it grew again under Taft, it shrunk under Wilson and it grew once again under Harding-Coolidge and Hoover until the Great Crash. Read a little history and escape from worrying about Area 51 and the little green creatures the Air Force is hiding.

            Regulation of the New Deal limited Wall Street’s excesses along with the greed merchants. That sytem ruled decently well until Reagan. Now the malefactors of greed have gotten their claws again in Congress. So you blame Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. A vast percentage of Americans with a brain do not.

            Get real!

        • American Patriot

          @rjgarfunk,
          I’m already cut off then. I don’t get a welfare check. Just a SS check that I paid into for 60 years that’s getting smaller all the time. Have my own well with a hand pump and a wood stove tho if I can find enough wood.

      • boone

        YOU WON’T BE ALONE

    • Jerry C

      This is pure insanity and one more step to Hitlerism. America doesn’t anyone in Congress recognise the pattern?

      • Virginia

        If you had done research, you would know that the democrat party has 70 communist that are listed on the Communist internet website! These are your leaders. WE ALSO NEED TO GET RID OF ALL OF THE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE RINO’S. Lindsey Graham, etc. Will there still be an election in 2012. I really doubt it!

        • Joe

          Virginia, Did I miss anyone?
          In October 2009, the Democratic Socialists of America released in its newsletter a list of 70 members of the U.S. Congress who are members of the organization:
          Co-Chairs
          Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
          Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)
          Vice Chairs
          Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
          Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
          Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
          Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
          Senate Members
          Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT) I
          House Members
          Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01) D
          Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02) D
          Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31) D
          Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL) D
          Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01) D
          Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03) D
          Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08) D
          Hon. André Carson (IN-07) D
          Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL) D
          Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11) D
          Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01) D
          Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05) D
          Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09) D
          Hon. John Conyers (MI-14) D
          Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07) D
          Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07) D
          Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04) D
          Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03) D
          Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04) D
          Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05) D & muslim
          Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17) D
          Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02) D
          Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51) D
          Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04) D
          Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11) D
          Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08) D
          Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04) D
          Hon. John Hall (NY-19) D
          Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17) D
          Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22) D
          Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15) D
          Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02) D
          Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30) D
          Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04) D
          Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09) D
          Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13) D
          Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09) D
          Hon. John Lewis (GA-05) D
          Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02) D
          Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3) D
          Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14) D
          Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07) D
          Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07) D
          Hon. James McGovern (MA-03) D
          Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
          Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
          Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
          Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
          Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
          Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
          Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
          Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
          Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
          Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
          Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
          Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
          Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
          Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
          Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
          Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
          Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
          Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
          Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
          Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
          Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
          Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
          Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
          Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
          Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)

          • American Patriot

            Joe,
            How can you put “Hon.” in front of these Imbicels??????????????

          • Fed up Citizen

            Now we know who the first targets will be should we be forced into a shooting Civil War. Looks like it’s going in that direction too!

      • http://googlechrome David

        I afraid that our so called congress has gone socialist on us already.

      • pete petersen

        the fat cats in dc live in the rich mans world…in a rich mans bubble!

      • hambone

        Are you kidding? Most of the ones in office are only in there, because they know how to give lip service to the people. No one really listens to all that they are saying. Tell the people what they want to hear and as soon as they are put in office, they forget all they promised.

      • American Patriot

        @Jerry C,
        This ain’t Hitlerism, this is judaism. I would take Hitler any day.

        • Rick

          You are wrong Patriot. barry soertoro, aka, obullsh-t is using most of the same tactics that Hitler used. Welfare, Gun Control, Socialism. His main objective is to Transform the U.S.A into a Socialist Muslem Country in which he will become Dictator-In-Chief. Wake Up America.

          • American Patriot

            @Rick,
            I have no use for Odumba either, but put the blame where it belongs. On the jew swine that are telling Odumba his every word to speak and move to make! He’s just a stupid shill.

      • Bione

        I see the pattern. Maybe all of us dissenters will get a train ride to our prison quarters. We’ll all go together, seeing that there are so many of us. Sounds kinda familiar . . . . .

    • shannon853

      this is against common sense and it will only cause open revolt against every member of congress and up. every person in teh military needs to get this information and realize they could be arresting their brother, sister, father or mother because of a whim of a president.

    • slapjack

      Just one more example of the Ignorance of O’bummbo and the idiots who have held office for way to long. This is not intended for OWS people and union radicals. This is The dunbocrats and commies to rein in the Tea Party. Get the head Kenyan Commie out of office in 2012 and the Senate should be voting on Term Limits so we don’t have these senile nitwits even considering this garbage legislation. If you want something to vote on Vote on getting rid of 14 million illegal aliens out of this country and see how much money that would provide to simulate the ecomomy????????????????? Wake Up America while we still have a country.

      • Virginia

        This has nothing to do with the Tea Party! Think George Soros, United Nations and One World Order! It’s already happening. Research Agenda 21. This is already being implimented in our own back yards. They use cosy, warm words, so as not to scare the masses of people to what they are really doing! SCARY STUFF PEOPLE! Look these things up, inform other people! Obummer has signed on to this with the U.N.

      • pete petersen

        it is time to set aside our petty arguments no matter who should be our next president religion etc, we as Americans must join together or we shall fall. rise above the ashes of this…”the only thing we should fear,is fear itself…FDR”

        • Joe

          Pete,
          I thought Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill
          said that.

    • Alex S

      Bucko, another dog and pony show to get the spotlight off of something else. We call it diversion. Now all we have to do is figure out what: Soylandra, OW’s, more solar panel loans and closings, etc.. With this Administration, the list can go on and on. And somehow, they got Graham to jump on board. I’m going to check up on his reasoning to do so. That’ll be interesting.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

        Most conservative GOP acolytes support the power of the FBI, the NSA and the CIA, and if it were a Republican in office, you would be chomping at the bit to have greater police power to rid the hippies and the young protesters that dominate OWS out of the parks. You only want free speech and assembly when it fits your needs. Free speech here allows you yahoos to vent your spleen against a society that has left you by the wayside. You don’t understand reality and realize that your rich “friends” living in the Coachella Valley, Palm Beach, Fairfield County, Upper Saddle River and many other tony places are laughing their butts off at your feeble protests, and are going to vote for Romney, who will preserve their tax shelters. They’ll still get their abortions, hire foreign nannies to live and care for their children and homes, get their Botox and designer drugs while laughing all the way to the tax shelters. How they use you for cannon fodder and votes is the real joke. Keep on believing that the “rich” are your buddies. They wouldn’t be seen dead with you and they scoff at your primitive ideas and views of government.

        • Cameron

          Ooh! Another Left-Wing rant! Sadly, it’s got a grain of truth in it. Too many people have put the dollar before God, & there’ll be Hell to pay. Power on this Earth won’t be worth spit in the next world!

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            or Its not a left-wing rant. I’ve spent a lifetime running a business that hired hundreds until your buddies made entente cordials with China and destroyed the textile industry in America. You can blame that on the Unions, but they were the Middle Class that had disappeared in the wake of the Crash and the Depression. They were the consumer class, which drove the American engine. I made a decent living as a financial planner for almost 20 years and that was not a hot bed of liberals, commies or Democrats. You fools here couch everything in simplistic platitudes and unworkable solutions. Every one who disagrees with guns, evangelicals and race hatred is a commie rat. Wake up, we do not have a parliamentary system. We have a two party system, made up of center left and right capitalists. If that is not clear, read a little away from these idiot factories. I am retired, host a radio show on public policy and love to read what extremists have to say.

            The truth is that these sites reflect big talk, but few here, if they had a sou to their name, would give up Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid for their aging parents or the unfortunates who had to spend down. These systems are not communist, but a reflection of a mixture of western economic and social values that had been growing since the dawn of the 20th Century, interrupted by WWII, and have gained traction in the days and years following the victory.

        • http://Conservativebyte.com Sandman

          Spoken like a true bolshi!!

        • 724willy

          RRR-Funkle,
          The reason you see the world upside down, is that you are standing on your head.
          Ever heard the term [upward mobility]. I’ll agree, crony capitalism don,t work for long, but killing the goose that lays the golden egg is insanity. ” Don’t bite the hand that feeds you “, that’s what unions do, never work for a poor man, he can’t pay much, instead, save , invest, and generate your own riches, then you can hire your neighbors. That’s called capitalism, it works, collectivism never worked in history. Bradford learned that at Plemoth Rock in one year, what a pity we forgot that lesson.

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            Again your cliches do not mean a thing. The so-called “Golden Goose” has been plucked by the capitalist system for generations. it wasn’t government that reduced the 50 car companies that existed at the turn of the century, or mad the horse and buggy antiquated or eliminated the plethora of newspapers. The capitalist system should never be allowed to run unrestricted, and every one with a half of a brain knows that.

            There used to me multiple privately-owned transit systems. They all went broke! But we in the more urban and “sophisticated” areas need mass transit not Chevy pickup trucks. You may have to haul manure. but many folks here have to get to work, to and fro, from the big city.

            You twits continue to simplistically compare capitalism to collectivism. What in the hell does that have to do with the price of onions in Bermuda. You are still young enough to go back to your local community college, take a course on basic economics and learn terms. Maybe you should read, People of Plenty, or the Making of an Economic Society by Richard Heilbroner. They still maybe in print, but, if not, there are basic Eco 101 courses available for your enlightenment. Just break open your cookie jar and get out the beer money and give up your tickets to the next WWF circus.

        • WillyT

          Listen sweetheart, take that bitterness and do something with it. Obviously you are left leaning and that’s just fine however sit back, take breath and look at what your side wants. In California, there are 150,000 super rich among the 1% the left wants to bleed for more taxes. They already are being soaked to the tune of paying 40% of the state income tax. Got that? 1% pays 40% while 51% of the people in Ca. pay nothing. The other 48% of (us) comprise the remaining taxpayers contributing 60%. Most of this 48% make 50 thousand and up – bus drivers, teachers, sheet metal fabricators, doctors, mom and pop store owners – you get the point?

          California has already been gutting and bleeding the rich and that state is just about next in the bankruptcy line.

          The rich and the productive folk who have worked hard and prospered have been holding up the state for years. It’s that 51% that is problematic and “they” are what the left wing has courted since the great depression of ’29. Sheep to be molded into rabble, (the voter base of the progressives) are actually trying to bid up the tax levy on existing taxpayers while contributing nothing.

        • Rick

          Rigerfunkle: You stated that you were an Estate Planner so therefor if by now you are retired you must be one of those wealthy people you keep putting down. Estate Planner=Smooth Talking Insurance Salesman. Having said that, I would also like to state that I can’t remember ever having a poor man offer me a JOB. As far as the ows is concerned, What they have cost the cities in Garbage collection and clean-up should be paid by ows. But they would rather draw welfare and sh– in public. And don’t tell me they are working people, other than maybe some of the females, If they were they would be at work instead of acting like a bunch of spoiled little brats wanting a financial t–t. to suck on.

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            There are all sorts of messes left by the circus elephants. Some is created by the myriad of parades that go up and down our streets, others are left in our stadiums and often people litter the roads. It wasn’t the conservatives who initiated, supported or believed in re-cycling, but it is conservation, and conservation should not be a dirty word for a conserv”ative”. The cost of cleanup is part and parcel of a democracy, of which you people have little understanding. You folks want a dictatorship of the right that pretends to protect free speech and expression as long as it is your free speech and expression.

            As to being a financial planner, I learned one basic fact most people violate, save before you spend. With regards to the better educated, they plan, they save and they live better and often are more liberal and open-minded. Remember always what William Buckley, the founder and long-time publisher of the National Review said, and I paraphrase, “Not all conservatives are stupid, but assuredly most stupid people are conservative. ” It takes a brain to have an open mind. I hope as a retired planner, a long-time business man in NYC, who saw his share of recessions, booms and busts over the decades, that you look in the mirror, stop the empty racist rhetoric and pay attention to what is best for you and your money. For sure Federal taxes are low and most of you pay very little. In fact, many of you probably pay more in payroll taxes then withholding taxes. Those taxes go to Medicare and Social Security and I am sure none of you are stupid enough to reject their value. Your problem is with many of the local taxes, which reflect the high cost of services, whether our labor is union or not. Many of these taxes have been initiated and passed by Republican and Democratic governors and legislators. If you live in the Red States your services and schools are poor because your taxes are low. Pick your poison.

    • Ron

      Does this not remind anyone of Nazi Germany, the gestop0 type tactics Hitler used to control the people of Germany??? WAKE UP AMERICA… Obama is coming after you and me… We cannot allow that to happen in America..

      • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

        You have no idea what Gestapo tactics are and your mindlessness exposes your lack of reality.

    • Goodforalls

      A total abuse of power from the head dictator in charge! People better wake the heck up and see what our government is doing to us.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

        Just like the Nixon enemies’ list, Joe McCarthy’s witch hunt, the Night Riders of the KKK, the White Citizens Councils, the Hays Commission that ruled Hollywood, the Scarlet Letters, the religious bigotry and prejudice. All creatures from conservative “social” values. Get rid of government and go back to States’ Rights, Jim Crow, Poll Taxes, grandfather Clauses, child labor, chain gangs and the real freedoms of local tyranny.

        • RangerWW2

          rjg, I have an idea what you are, but most of the people here can figure it out for themselves without me elaborating.
          As for McCarthy’s witch hunt as you call it.. would you be so kind as to show us, who are not as privy to some of the information as you are, where this Patriot accused one of those
          “communist witches” and he was wrong…and when he started
          getting to close to the big name communists in our government,
          he went the way of Vince Foster, but in a Military Hospital.

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            Joe McCarthy was exposed as the drunken lout that he was at the Army McCarthy Hearings. He slandered a Hale & Dorr lawyer who was a Republican, and later became one of Nixon’s counsels. He was an ugly, profane unkempt slob, who asked the columnist Drew Pearson for an issue, and knew nothing of communists in government. He was leaked information from Richard Nixon. He ran around waving a piece a paper and changed the number of communists on it daily. In fact, there were some of those pinkos around in those days, but they were few and far between and not much of a threat to anyone.

            He was excoriated on the floor of the US Senate by a Republican, Margaret Chase Smith. Many of the so-called commies, were part of youth groups in the 1930′s and, as you may recall the Soviet Union was our valued ally during WWII. Many like, Walt Disney and Lucille Ball, who had her name on list put there by her father were harassed. Many were accused and smeared through Red Channels and other slander rags. Were there communists? Assuredly there were. Were there neo-Nazis and fascists? Assuredly there were. The Nazis held a mass meeting in Madison Square Garden and the KKK marched by the thousands in bed sheets up Pennsylvania Avenue. America, for all its greatness has many loonies. Just read theses screeds.

    • RightAsUsual

      BL: US military should arrest comrade obama & his anti-US socialist carneys first …

      • pete petersen

        we may have a military goverment…fidel castro would love that!

      • ajb

        They have a constitutional obligation to do so.

    • Lonnie W. Lynch

      I would say this this is a constitutional change and should require all that is needed to make that change, two thirds vote in the Congress and the states !!!

    • dr bob

      this is too much power for ‘THIS’ president,,,,

      • Dennis

        This is to much power for any president.

    • Lane

      No! I think it is a wonderful idea, IF they arrest the biggest lawbreaker, Mr. Obama first!!!

    • lonetrader

      See my post at bottom. I believe this is a farce from info wars. READ the bill. It specifially say it does not appy to United States citizens or lawfull aliens.

    • Dr Don

      FYI folks… Sen. Carl Levin introduced this bill Nov 15. “S. 1867 — To authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2012 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes.” copied from the bill itself. The Bill is just shy of 700 pages in length … some hefty reading indeed. The section that has to do with arrest powers without charges or trial begin on page 380 through 382. Question that immediately comes to my mind… Could it have other anti-Constitutional ideas hidden away in those pages as well??

    • Eagle 1

      Anyone that would bring this kind of legislation for debate,or that votes to approve it into law,is not a patriot of this great country,and should be prosecuted as a traitor, no matter what their party affilliation.GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    • http://None Keith Allison

      I wonder if they’ve ever heard of posse comitas.

    • http://None Keith Allison

      I wonder if they’ve ever heard of “posse comitas?”

    • Doug

      Way too much power for the president and/or Congress.

    • Phil

      If this is true, and it passes it’s later than even I thought it was. Our freedoms will be gone. This is designed to arrest lawful gun owners.

      • Dennis

        Yep

    • ajb

      Is he prepping the way to mass roundups?

    • Steve

      Especially this president.

    • Bob Howe

      Does this remind anyone of how Hitler got started. Allowing the “Commander in Chief” to be in charge of his own Police Force (Obama said he wanted this when he was running). Lindsay Graham supports this. SURPRISE, SURPRISE. Can we get rid of this guy (who supported Sotomeyer and Kagan for the Supreme Court). This isn’t good.

    • Laura

      George Washington really would NOT recognize his America. If this passes ALLLLLLLL past efforts ( WW-1, WW-2, etc.) will be in vain. Just sickning that people will sit still for this and people’s minds have come to accept this type of dictatorship. Ovomit is a criminal and is KILLING the USA. GET RID OF HIM AND ALL PROGRESSIVES NOW.

    • MilitaryPatriot

      Just remember, its the Senate not Congress. You have to realize now that BO is by-passing Congress all together. Two years ago, I wrote Senator Coburn (Oklahoma) a letter stating my feelings against the BO health care plan and warning him that Obama would ignore the Congress, because he was replacing them with his czars and he could shut down the congress, by telling them “I don’t need you any more.” I also told Coburn that BO is not a US citizen, he was born in Kenya and that he is a Muslim. Coburns’ reply in his letter was, “well, I don’t like the health care plan either, BUT I think BO has good intentions for this country.” You see, even the politicians wont listen to their voters. I warned my reps two years ago. So, here we are.

    • Patriot

      Not only is this too much power for any President, it is totally UNCONSTITUTIONAL under the Oissee Cinutatys Act of 1878 to use the military on U.S. soil against our citizens.

      • Patriot

        In the previous post make that read:

        Possee Comitatus Act of 1878

    • Rick

      Well I guess this tells you which side of the fence Lindsey Graham is on. I guess he just wants to help barry soertoro,aka, Obullsh-t to be able to make an enemies list so he can have anyone who opposes him arrested so they can’t vote against him. It is way past time for Congress to charge barry with Conspiricy & Treason. This Undocumented socialist muslem needs to be De-throned now if not sooner.

    • Chuck Price

      If this passes it’s time to vote out every incumbent that supported it, whether Republican or Democrat. This is an extremely frightening idea.

    • Robert

      It may pass the senate but will fail in the house. If it does pass the Supreme Court will strike it down.

    • Patriotic nut

      I cannot believe that our military would follow such nonsensical orders as to arrest our citizens without cause. I know the one that I served in would not have followed this type of unlawful order. Aren’t they still sworn in to defend our country and constitution from ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic. I would classify the present crowd in D.C. as domestic enemies of the country and constitution.

      • RangerWW2

        Millions took that oath, as I did at 19 years of age in 1943, to defend the
        “Constitution”.. not the government… our founding fathers knew that
        governments could go bad… (they must have seen our present government in a dream). The oath and the Constitution doesn’t mean anything to these politicians anymore, we had a Republican Pres. just recently, who told one of his aides.. To ” stop shoving the Constitution in my face, it’s just a g–d— piece of paper ! I believe we have more ‘czars’
        and communists in our country and government.. then there are in Russia. Marcus Tullius Cicero – First Century BC, said.. ” A nation can
        survive it’s fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from WITHIN. Was he talking about our Republic centuries in the future ?

    • Tejano Jack

      Too much power! Brother is that the understatement of the cenatury. I have already writen and called all of my Congressional deligation. Everyone, please do it today. It only takes a few minutes.

      Obama and his Socialist cohorts are step-by-step, quietly undermining our rights and freedoms so they can crush us into submission to their marxist agenda. They are insidious. They quietly stick amendments to routine legislation. They give legislation innocently sounding names which have the opposite meaning of the legislation. They just plain lie to us, hoping the uninformed majority will swallow the lie.

      Sadly, we also have naive conservatives, crooked conservatives and RINOs who go along with the liberals.

      I get so mad and so frustrated, when I hear neighbors regurgitating the left wing propaganda, totally ignorant of the facts, issues and consequences of what they are saying, and totally ignorant about economics, free enterprise and their own constitution.

      Below is what I sent to my Senators:

      Dear Senator Chambliss:

      Vote against S.1867, National Defense Appropriation Act, with Sections 1031 & 1032. This threat to our civil liberties must not be allowed!

      Please do not allow Obama to do this!

      One section of these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S. soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must be resolved.”

      Respectfully

    • True Patriot

      What do you mean to call him the president. Did you vote for him? First of all, Obamo-homo along with Hitlery are trying to destroy this country within. As for this Senate Bill; this is a violation of U.S. Constitution; our rights to due process of the law. They cannot arrest us without these God-given rights that our Founding Fathers set forth. You people need to do what I just did. Call your U.S. Senators and if they don’t want to listen to you then file ethics charges against the senate members and this address is on the first page of my website: http://www.haasstrep68.com When you file ethics charges against you U.S. Senators you need to add Barbara Boxes-Republicans-in-the-ears and “dirty” Harry Reid (Archdevil of the Senate). The charges against them are obstructing justice and interfering with a congressional investigation. For further information on what’s going on in DC go to my website: http://www.haasstrep68.com

    • bobcat

      the military will arrest citizens?? what about arresting that fraud in the WH?? he is the one that should be arrested and tried and hung.

    • http://google james

      yes bucko i agree with you and many or most of the comments on this page. I will say again we need to IMPEACH this illigal pres before he destroys our constitution. the time may come when he will be hunted down like Gadafy. “OUR CONGRESS” is afraid of ole illigal, or they would have started IMPEACHMENT months and months ago.

    • Mary S

      Here is more information:

      http://www.thedailybell.com/3295/Robespierres-War-on-Terror

      It is worth reading.

    • Big-Albert

      Hm – anyone heard of Sen. Joe McCarthy? How about the Japanese-Americans who were interned after Pearl Harbor and what of the detention centers around the country that were built for them that still exist and new ones that are being built. Do some research folks.

    • oldtexasgal

      These accusations may be VERY QUESTIONABLE.
      Just read an article by Mark America re the validity of the statements in this article: Link to Mark’s article: http://us.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch#/app/minty/drafts

    • floramae

      I have looked up this bill and I cannot find where it uses this kind of language, their is language regarding the arrest of Al-Quiada, I guess the military could say your Al-quiada, and haul you away without due process, I spoke to my Senators office, they say there is an amendment, limiting the authority of the military, I didn’t find that amendment in the house bill either, here are the bill #’s S1867————HR1540.

    • sonny

      Welcome to socialism and martial law, people. I DO hope the American people are well armed and willing to use them. This COMMUNIST regime has got to be STOPPED.

    • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

      This is what 30 years of mass legal immigration and 20+ years of mass illegal immigration in the name of compassion brings. Crises that demand a DHS, TSA, walls, fences and a police force equal to a military in the name of security. Gingrich blocked cutting legal immigration and pulled the teeth out of illegal immigration bills in 1996. Is your Pub Rep supporting this bill too?

      http://www.reformdc.com

      Immigration and our schools have taken control of our country and children we must take back control. http://www.numbersusa.com

      Ten million, 20 million, 30 million, 40 million… Hello Sharia flag, for English please press 2! http://www.goooh.com

    • M S

      This is the worst thing I’ve ever heard. Now this takes away every right we have ever had.

    • RZ

      Here it comes, this is only the start of it. Will the round up begin by the 2012 election?I wonder if anyone read the bill or does congress have to pass it to see what’s in it?

    • MARY BUEHRIG

      We have a dictatorship with Obum in the White HOuse. Police state is needed to support this bum. If you don’t think he is out to ruin America, you have you head in the sand. Every time Congress moves, it is to curtil our rights. You all had better get in line to vote, or you may find yourself in another kind of line.. facing rifles.

    • Ed McDanials

      OMG, idiots…has anyone read the bill? Aside from the fact it is illegal for military to arrest under Posse Comitatus please refer to text below direct from bill and its applicability. This has nothing to do with arresting US citizens nor the military becoming a law enforcement arm of the gov’t.

      (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
      (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
      (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    • mark

      Ditto

    • Crazy Geno

      KEEP A SHARP EYE TO THE WINDOW AND YOUR AMMUNITION DRY

      • ed mcdanials

        OMG, has anyone read the bill before spewing such nonsense? Aside from the fact it is illegal for military to arrest under Posse Comitatus please refer to text below direct from bill and its applicability. This has nothing to do with arresting US citizens nor the military becoming a law enforcement arm of the gov’t.

        (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
        (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
        (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    • JoEllen Jackson

      When will common sense rule again?? I sure miss it!

    • Apache6

      Only “GOD,GUNS,and GUTS” can save the the REPUBLIC now !!

    • jjkrjw

      Obama even gave a kill order to execute an American citizen without capturing him, reading him his rights, giving him an attorney or a trial–al Awlaki. Now, I don’t miss this terrorist, but you can see that obama has already overstepped his bounds. And next time, it may not be a terrorist that he kills. It might just be someone who dares to disagree with him. That’s what dictators do.

      • ed mcdanials

        OMG, has anyone read the bill before spewing such nonsense? Aside from the fact it is illegal for military to arrest under Posse Comitatus please refer to text below direct from bill and its applicability. This has nothing to do with arresting US citizens nor the military becoming a law enforcement arm of the gov’t.

        (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
        (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
        (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    • diana

      our military should be arresting the senate most of congress and obama and his czars they do have that power so do your jobs and KEEP AMERICA FREE arrest the pigs who trying to distroy AMERICA

    • jiluvjen

      This HAS to another one of Obumma’s insane ideas!! Even the village idiot knows that this is unconstitutional and will result in the 2nd Civil War!!!

    • Ralph Ormsbee

      Time to remove the entire democrate party from the united states

    • Jean Wesley

      Just another abuse of power. Obama is getting away with much more then Nixon or Clinton. Why is he still in office.

    • Jean Wesley

      Just another abuse of power. Obama is getting away with much more then Nixon or Clinton. Why is he still in office.

    • Infidel

      DID ANY OF YOU BOTHER TO ACTUALLY READ THE BILL?
      Go to Thomas Library of Congress
      http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php
      Bill S.1867
      Sections 1031 & 1032

      Don’t Get Your Panties All in a Bunch!

      • ed mcdanials

        None did…I posted the applicable section above…utter nonsense.

    • oldtootr

      Can anyone explain to me why these Pro BIG GOVERNMENT, anti-freedom, cradle to grave supporting, senators who pretend to be conservative, keep getting reelected, I live in Arizona, have been trying to get rid of John McCain since i moved here over 20yrs. ago. Same with Lindsey Graham from S.C., how do these sheep in wolves clothing keep geting reelected? Are the American People so brain dead, asleep , or brain washed not to see whats going on here! GOD HELP US!!!!!! And whats going on with the TEAPARTY, they cant really be behind NEWT? WATCH WHAT THEY DO, NOT WHAT THEY SAY!!!! “RON PAUL” A TRUE PATRIOT NOW!!! AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!!! Check his record. A real honest man..

    • oldtootr

      Kiss your freedom’s good bye, Both parties want total control, will be no changes after the next election unless RON PAUL gets elected. the rest will just push for the same ole-same ole crap. GOD HELP US!!!!

    • Tristen

      we should work on getting a better system in place so the people can gain back more power and our rights!

    • ruth

      to much power for the president, when is the millitary going into the dam white house and throw obuma on the ground and take him away? are they fu–en crazy, what the he– is going on in this country?

    • richard wagener

      Would anyone care to share what the Dems would have to say if Bush was still in office!

    • Aubree

      This is too much power for ANY one person or GROUP to have. We have ALWAYS separated our military policing from our civilian policing for a reason. When the military steps in as police that thin line is then crossed and our rights go right out the door. I’m looking at this country as a whole and all the things happening in the Elections, the new law’s attempting to be passed, Wall Street, etc….and sadly I am VERY, VERY scared. Not to bring a lot of religous debate into this, but it does say in the book of Revelations that in the ‘end times’, we will do many things, including having a leader who looks to take us away from our lord (i.e. taking GOD off money for instance, Christ out of Christmas, etc – these are just a few examples), our rights averted and trampled, including having to have ‘tracking devices’ in the guise of holding our personal information and monies, inbedded in a subcutaneous chip and the list goes on. Everywhere I look I see all these things coming to pass and I’m not saddened that they are coming to pass because its already been foretold. I’m saddened that we as Christians, Muslims, Islamics, Baptists, Luthren’s, ANY religious background are standing around allowing this to happen. Its not about religion anymore. Its about right and wrong and treating each person with respect, trust and honor and not turning a blind eye to what a group of BAD APPLES a.k.a. our Senate, Congress and Presidential team, are doing to destroy this country, its standing with other foreign lands and its people. When will we as the people stand up and say “NO MORE”. It is our duty to stand and rise up against a corrupt government, per our Bill of Rights and Constitution but people have become so appathetic, unmoved, lazy and uncaring that nothing is being done to stop bad men and women from destroying us all. But then they turn around and complain that they don’t like the way things are or are becoming. Each person has a voice and we need to start using ours!!

    • j. lippold

      falls right into his socialist beliefs.. he will make this another Cuba or Venazuela. . you watch . . and see. . .if this info is true. . looks what him and the dumocrates have done so far. . .and believe me if this person is reelected. . .it will be the total fall of our republic. . and all that we use to stand for. . .he is out to destroy our rights. . our religion. . and wants to cut more health care to our seniors so they will be denied health care that they paid into and deserve. his ideas jjobama. . if you can’t contribute to society. . you don’t belong. . MOST CULTURES IN THE WORLD HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR THEIR SENIORS. . ILL AND HANDICAPPED. . WHAT HAPPEN HERE. . MANY OF US DO. .BUT THIS GOVT. DOES NOT. . IT JJOBAMA AND HIS DUMOCRATES THEY ARE A FINANCIAL BURDEN. . WELL THEY PAID INTO SOCIAL SECURITY JUST LIKE MANY OTHERS. . .MAYBE IF THE GOVT. DIDN’T RAPE OVER 2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS FROM THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND. . IF THE GOVT. DIDN’T GIVE FUNDS TO THE ILLEGALS. . .AND TO THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE DISABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE JUNKIES OR ALCHOLICS. . MAYBE THE TRUST FUND WOULD BE FAT . . AND WITH PLENTY OF MONEY. . HOW WOULD THEY LIKE IT. . THIS JJOBAMA. .AND FLUNKIES. .TO QUIT PAYING TAXES. . THAN WHAT WOULD THEY DO. . IF IT WASN’T FOR US WORKING MIDDLE CLASS. . AND THE RICH PAYING A BIG FAT RATE. .CHINA WOULD BE HERE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY TODAY. . AND TODAY JJOBAMA IS WORKING WITH GREECE. . .ITALY. . IRELAND. . ABOUT HOW TO GET THEIR ECONOMY GOING . . WHAT A FRIKEN JOKE. . .LOOK AT THE MESS WE ARE IN. .
      AND ONCE WE LEAVE IRAQ . .WE WILL BE PAYING FOR OVER 30 THOUSAND CONTRACTORS. . .TO KEEP THE COUNTRY STABLE. . AND THEY GET PAID A LOT MORE THAN OUR WONDERFUL MILITARY. . .
      .

    • http://conservativebyte.com Jack

      Will we become like Hitlers Nazi Germany? I believe it was Sinclair Lewis who wrote America would be destroyed by the far right this patriot bill has some scary things in it. Why wont our gov. secure our borders? Are they allowing undesireables in so they can use them as an excuse to ready us for this coming new world order or one world gov? I remember when someone mentioned those phrases you were called a conspiracy nut. I am a conservative and i care about my country i see it being destroyed every day, as for myself i feel the only thing we can do about is pray to God.

    • matt

      Our forefathers or the people responsible for the declaration of independence was so insightful that they wrote about it,”the right to bear arms against foreign and domestic enemys”.This is just going to get worse and the communists in the house and senate need to be ousted at the very least and held for treason.One world gov’t is here,where do you stand?

    • John Clevinger

      I have not had the opportunity to read the bill before the Senate, but at this time I am definitely against this type of authorization to this president or any president. We have a multitude of laws on the books that provides protection to this country and its people. We are allowing fear instead of common sence to guide a pathway and breakdown of our liberties founded by the constitution. It appears to me this takes the place of marshall law for the safety of the people and lets the government pick and choose whom they may want to detain without justification for detention. All of us want to protect our home land and our people, but it is the old saying what good is it to save our life and yet loose our soul. We must be carefull in giving ultimate power to any president for fear that power corupts but ultimate power is corupt. This vote should be put on hold until the american people can view it specifically for approval and not place it into law and then review. It is best to stop a potentially bad law then to try and repeal it.

    • Chuck

      This legislative effort is unconstitutional. Our military authorities have no direct power over civilians EXCEPT enemy civilian combatants on a battlefield, and the proposal violates the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits military authorities from even INVESTIGATING, much less arresting, U.S. citizens except when they are involved in crime ON A MILITARY INSTALLATION. The only exception would be under conditions of martial law, and no further legislation is needed to implement that. The President can impose martial law under specified conditions. I’m not sure how much Congressional approval is needed before or after the fact, but pre-defining the U.S. as a battlefield may not be Constitutional, and should NOT be allowed.

      This proposal is a stupid move and probably wouldn’t stand alone, but if it’s attached to a defense appropriations bill it just COULD be passed. Opposition should be strong and vocal to all members of Congress. CALL YOUR ELECTED CRITTERS! CALL THEM OFTEN; DEMAND A RESPONSE AS TO THEIR POSITION ON THE PROPOSAL.

    • Patriot

      The only way to stop it is another revolution! The time for talk is over, the time for action is now!!! I’m ready!!! ARE YOU???!!!

    • Rikkusan

      Can you say SS or Gestapo?

    • Glenn

      I have read the Bill, and where it talks about arrest, it says specifically US citizens are not included in the right to arrest. READ IT.

    • Dorothy Darlene Alber

      I will sign to get this stopped, where do I sign?

    • Nicos

      We knew this was coming. It is a fulfillment of prophesy. Jesus is coming really soon.

  • Rusty

    We now have a police state. We’ve come a long way baby.

    • lonetrader

      Read the bill yourself. We are excluded.

  • Cas

    “…..said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who supports the bill.”

    Enough Said. Traitors!!!!

    • forpleforpresident

      Lindsay Gramnesty is a PROGRESSIVE RINO

      • Goodforalls

        You are so correct-he, as well as John McCain have given republicans a bad name!

        • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

          Since when did the GOP have a good name?

          • Cameron

            long before the jackass party did! Once upon a time the D’s believed like the R’s now, & vice versa. That’s why it is so vitally important to vote for the PERSON & not not the Party.

    • Ray

      Graham is a ham, he is a rino for sure and he should be removed along with olivia snowe of Maine.

      • Dingbat36

        Her name is actually “Olympia”. Obviously, her parents thought they had been blessed with a “God”. I am originally from Maine and know that nothing could be further from the truth!!

        • Tejano Jack

          A G__ D—-d fool maybe! Olympia Snowe and her collegue are idiots. T.J.

      • http://www.blackindependent.wordpress.com Stephen Frazier

        Don’t forget Susan Collins while you’re throwing out garbage.
        We would be better off with Democrats in charge than RINOS.

        It is a lot easier to deal with an enemy (Democrats) than with so called friends (RINOS).

        • Dorris

          Stupidity Reigns ,when you make a remark like that.You have to realize ,with few exceptions most of your politicians are crooks,now go back and read where I said with few exceptions,believe it or not there are still a men or women that care about what happens to OUR NATION and are in politics.
          We just have to weed them out.

          • Cameron

            As Daddy used to say, “All politicians ought to be limited to two terms in office, because if they can’t steal enough money by then to retire they aren’t worth a damn anyway.”

        • Virginia

          The communist have taken over the democrat party! You think they would be easier to deal with Rino’s? Better think again!

    • Bonnie

      Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) crafted the bill. Both parties are responsible. You should have read the whole article. Also, why would Harry Reid bring this up for a vote when he has 22 bills sitting on his desk to deal with the economy. Guess what, Obama is pushing this with the Dems.

      • Saundra

        Anyone else notice how insane McCain is…and I voted for him for President. But then I would have voted for Mickey Mouse before I would have O-vomit!

      • True Patriot

        Carl love-me-less Levin and John McCan’t are complete idiots because once they drafted that bill I am for certain that there will be ethics charges filed against Carl love-me-less Levin. And three strikes and he’s out of the U.S. Senate!!! As for John McCan’t he will be just like Bob Dole in 1996. That’s when he got out of politics. This may be the end of John McCan’t. I didn’t vote for Obamo-homo or John McCan’t, either. I destroyed a $3000.00 voting machine in the wicked city of Denver in Colorado by using a permanent black magic marker. I voted “NO” for president, U.S. House and Senate. At least, I didn’t vote for any of them traitors. Treason is a federal offense and it states in the Preamble of the U.S. Constitution that you can get shot for treason. This is getting so bad that I, now, believe these traitors should be shot for treason. In other words, this is a DECLARATION OF WAR on Federal, State, County and local governments. LOCK AND LOAD!!!!!!!!!
        Website: http://www.haasstrep68.com

    • lonetrader

      Go to the Senate page and READ the bill. You will find this is not true.

      • StanB

        The problem is that this bill exists in the first place. Once it is passed, even with an exclusion for American Citizens, it is too easy to be changed by any future Congress to include American Citizens.

        This bill should not be allowed to be made into law.

        • StanB

          Okay, after more in-depth reading of this bill, the bone of contention seems to be the paragraph which allows a waiver in which the Secretary of Defense, along with the Secretary of State, and Director of National Intelligence can submit to Congress; regarding the Military custody of Detainees, due to National Security Interests.

          It is believed that this waiver would allow American Citizens to be detained, if the Secretaries of Defense, State, and Director of National Intelligence agree it is in National Security Interests.

          This is a rather large bill, that covers National Defense from terrorist operations, including within our borders. This is the Senate version of the House Bill.

        • StanB

          I would like to retract this statement, fueled by the article above.
          “The problem is that this bill exists in the first place. Once it is passed, even with an exclusion for American Citizens, it is too easy to be changed by any future Congress to include American Citizens.
          This bill should not be allowed to be made into law.”

          This Bill Covers National Defense, and seems solid. However I think the Waiver issue needs to be addressed, and put to bed. In today’s political environment, where it appears that Constitutional rights are being assaulted almost daily, clarification of such provisions (such as the waiver in this bill) need to be written in a clear and precise manner; so there is no misinterpretation.

  • Ed

    amen, this is going too far.

  • Howard

    What is wrong with these people now Graham has lost his mind. We have enough law enforcement without this. Linsay why not just join Obama and his facist? Good thing you do not represent my state I would be working to elect a democrat for the first time.

    • Cameron

      All those idiots in Congress need to do is read & obey the Second Amendment & then get the Hell out of the way. Within a few years there won’t be enough crooks left to fill half the prisons we now have!

    • lonetrader

      Read the bill in the Senate. United States citizens are EXCLUDED from the bill. Read my blog way down.

      • StanB

        I agree that the bill states that American Citizens are excluded.

        However further down it states that The Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, and Director of National Security can submit a waiver to Congress; in the interest of National Security, which many interpret to mean that American Citizens would then be included.

        Until there is clear definition that this waiver will not include American Citizens, we should remain cool headed, but ever vigilant; and demand congressional answers to confirm exactly what is meant in the waiver.

      • Nana

        Lonetrader: Do you really believe such a bill is going to exclude “We The People”? There are already many protections from the Federal Government and they start WITH OUR CONSTITUTION! Why is there a need for this BILL?? Our FBI and our State Police and all our other LAW ENFORCEMENT departments local and national take an oath to follow the Constitution. Obama is putting bills and laws into place to make it appear he is legal when he becomes a Dictator and kills the American Citizens or takes them to camps. The only thing Americans need to look at are the countries Obama supports. People can not listen to what Obama says they must look at what he has done and question everything he is pushing Congress to approve. This man is very maniplative and he has been programed to do exactly what he is doing. Obama qoute in 2008 “The stars or in line. Now is our time”. Only 5 more days until we fundementaly transform America!” Just what did Americans think he was telling his followers with those words? Pelosi and Reid did not see Obama’s BC, they did not see any of his records yet they signed off on him running for the office. Every ballot he was on in every State did not question Obama’s BC or his Education Records. “We the People” have been betrayed by every one of those we voted into office.
        Now would be a good time for the States to make every candidate show a legal birth certificate before they allow them on the ballot! Maybe we should start a petition insisting that if a legal birth certificate is not seen by every State’s AG the name will not be allowed on the ballots.

  • Had Enough

    Remember those FEMA caskets and relocation centers? Anyone who isn’t for the New World Order is going to get a free train ride.

    • deboss

      FIRE AT WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Lyle Steinmetz

    No US Army arrests should be alowed without warrants in the US

    • lonetrader

      And they are not. This bill does not do what the writer says it does. REad the bill for yourself. It clearly states in section 1032 that is does not appy to US citizens or legal aliens.

      • ruth

        don’t be so da- sure!

  • Jenn

    Is this not fascism?

    • pete petersen

      I read most of this and sad to say a revolutionary war is at hand…to arms…to arms!!

      • ruth

        jus what obuma is waiting for and wants!

  • Joe

    This would void Posse Comitatus!!!

    What a tragedy !

    • charli chikn lady

      joe…. ooops! already done! thanks to george bush – october 1, 2002!
      go check it out!

  • roger daleiden

    it going to time to take up, arms pretty soon freedom is not free thomas jefferson

    • Ray

      I could not agree more, and I think the military would be on the peoples side since they are part of the people.

      • anonymoose

        Maybe the military will come to its senses and protect the citizens from the sobs trying to ruin the country..

        • smoky

          maybe this will enlighten folks as to why they want illegals to serve in our military.

        • DennisC37

          fat chance; that`s not the way it worked in Germany, Russia, Cuba, and the like. with Barry, Ameria is looking more like Nazi Germany, every day.

      • Cyn

        Ray,
        Do you not think that the military has also been compromised and infiltrated?
        Many are the products of the NWO educational system.

        • http://jennie.cyclec@yahoo.com Jennifer

          Take a look at the picture. Does it look like the soldiers aren’t having a good time?

          • Cyn

            Jennifer,
            A picture is not always worth a thousand words!
            What of the higher ups who destroyed Terry Larkin?
            I am sure that there are many others too!

            I was always under the impression that the military had the authority to arrest those treasonous dogs who shred the Constitution and are enemies of our Republic!
            I believe there are some fail safes in the Constitution!
            However there are too many complicit dogs and vermin in this regime! That includes he house and the senate!

      • mose

        In case you haven’t noticed,hes sending our troops out of the country.Africa,australia.They are everywhere but here..Remeber the names of who voted for this…GET THEM OUT..TRAITORS

        • lonetrader

          Did you actually read the bill???? I bet not. Section 1032 states US citizens are not applicable to this bill. It is basically a funding bill. READ it.

        • bobcat

          we need our troops here, rather than spread out all over the world.

  • arjay

    OMG………….will they goose step also and wear brown shirts??

    and so the Police State begins

  • White Patriot 1776

    This is quickly becoming the U.S.S.A.

  • Good News

    This has to be stopped. The Senate cannot perform a treasonous act against its citizens – as they are OUR representatives. There would have be a declaration of war for this to be an effective act to perform – not just a legislative act signed by the President.

    • Kenneth

      You must have meant signed by the Dictator! yo osama huessien soetorro barry barrak obama

    • rotor700

      Sorry, but the time is now and they can do anything they want. That is why they would like our guns.

      • ruth

        so true!

  • forpleforpresident

    If this passes all patriotic Americans will soon become the “enemy of the state”. Thank God I learned how to shoot in the service, it is one ability I plan to use…again!

    • JimRed

      The tragedy is that we may end up having to ambush and kill our own troops.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

        Good luck, I would love to see your ass shot to pieces- I am retired so I have time to read this claptrap. What’s your excuse? Has your nurse been in today with your Miltown?

        • Cameron

          Does “Miltown”, whatever that is, taste better’n your koolaid? As for the comment above your inanity, I learned to shoot at home, long before Uncle Sam came into my life. I don’t want to see this country destroyed from within or without. As Saddam Hussein (any kin to Barack Hussein, I wonder? Hmmmm.) once said, “The law is whatever I write on a scrap of paper.” Looks like we’ve arrived at last w/this bastard in the WH.

          • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

            Its a tranquilizer, so that you won’t get to excited when your nurse has to give you an alcohol rubdown. Then you’ll probably need Cialis,

          • ruth

            right on, cameron

        • prezelect

          Yours has and it was spiked with vodka

        • ajfrench

          You are pathetic. Wisdom from God is a far greater gift than knowledge. And the bottom line is, if there is no discipline, there is anarchy; just a bunch of over educated morons all vying for the no. one spot while s?itting on everyone who may trip them along that road. What you are looking forward to is hell. Because after the New World Order is formed and they begin to assassinate Christians and Jews in order to create their form of peaceful existence, then Christ is going to destroy them and the earth. But those they have martyred will live on in heaven with God and all of the saints.

  • ronald reehling

    Stop this bill now! then, throw them all out!

  • Ray

    Those people in congress are out of their ever lovin minds if they pass this bill.

  • William

    What happened to all the provisions in the Constitution that provide for the safety and protection of the citizenry ? Wheree does the ‘Castle Law’ cease ? Just who sponsored such a nightmare and for what reason ?
    This is the exact same direction every dictatorship went in history ….. don’t believe me ?
    Read up on Nazi Germany and how the citizens were duped.

    • SickoftheBS

      Hadn’t you heard… This president does not pay heed to the constitution.

      • Marvin Douglas U.S. Army Ritered

        Hell Sickofthebs
        obamass has never read the Constitution

      • T-Texas

        What president?

    • Ray

      Very accurate description, this is exactly how the Nazis did things. First they disarmed the populance, then they killed them. I am beginning to think that reasonable discourse with the District of Corruption (DC) is impossible and it may be time to revolt.

      • Raphael

        “I am beginning to think that reasonable discourse with the District of Corruption (DC) is impossible and it may be time to revolt.”

        You do that, moron! At least when you’re sent to prison for sedition, we’ll be spared frequent postings by you…

      • prezelect

        T he nazi party was started by homosexuals just as is happening here with over 200 placed in government positions by Obumma including judges, read what google has to say about his homosexuality, it will open your eyes.

    • Barb

      This bill was written by John Mc cain the low down dirty dirt bag so be the one in prison for treason.

      • Lonnie W. Lynch

        Each state is going to have to recognize their on garbage and dispose of it however they can.. i.e. McCain, Az must remove him, SC, Lindsey Graham, they must get rid of him and so on… Levin, NY….. They must do what ever it is they must do to help correct the problems in this country !!!

  • Daniel

    Where is the outrage from citizens? Remember when GW Bush just wanted to see what people were reading at the library? This is actual war against citizens of this country and abolishing all rights guaranteed by God and the US Constitution. No State should allow enforcement if this is passed, and any politician that votes for it should be asked to resign.

    • Mark in LA

      This is just the natural progression of the last 60 years since the start of the cold war. Crying now and trying to say “where is the outrage” is nonsense. You were the good little boiled frog and did nothing earlier. That the people have become accustomed to a police state is natural.

    • John

      No this is a law to protect the citizens of the USA from the few of use (and the numbers are getting bigger) that are bad apples. Hey you might be one of them.

      .

    • Remington 870

      This senate action obviously signifies a high level intent to disarm, imprison dissenters and turn USA into police/military state, much like North Korea, Russia, China, etc. Obama loves this authority since it will give him and his commie supporters the leverage to imprison you and me at their will. This country is well on its way to a civil war and I hope you are armed, have provisions and ready to relocate within hours.

  • Bertram A Magnus

    When will the military be issued their swastikas. The Republican Senator who sponsored this bill has joined the other side.

    • Mona Callender

      mccain was on his own side, like most of these dc people……..god help us.

  • Kenneth Green

    This will never happen. It’s illegal and unconstitutional. ALL patriotic Americans should get them a gun with a lot of ammunition to protect their rights against domestic terrorists.

    • Remington 870

      Kenneth….when has following the Constitution ever been a consideration of the obama administration and his Rino Republican suck ups? The Constitution has been thrown out the window and we are on Obama time. I live in SC and many of us in his district know who and what he is. We need to find a replacement, but that may not come if there is civil war.

  • Elie

    Another hit against the Constitution

  • CHARLIE MELTON

    IF THEY PASS THIS, THERE WILL BE CIVIL WAR VERY SOON! ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR MINDS. WHAT PART OF THE CONSTITUTION ALLOWS THIS?

  • Mona Callender

    oh my here we go………history repeats itself. only this time its America.. GOD BLESS THE USA

  • Dianna

    Are they using this so they can come in and pick up our arms….

    • Mona Callender

      oh honey, my my where have you been…….YES……they have always had that…….obozo wants to start a revolution……so he can declare martial law……..pray pray pray

    • Kenneth

      Yes they will take what they want. They will put you out on the street. And since they will set a curfue you will be picked up and delivered to the concentration stations. Later you will be forced to work in a compound. Childern will be separated from their parents, Young woman, girls and boys under 12 will be used as needed for slaves for sex. Its the islamic way.
      I will be hunted with a price on my head. My castle is mine. All that tresspass will be viewed as attempting to do harm to me, my family, or my posessions of live stock. I will shoot first. Survivors will be shot twice and their remains set out to feed the wild pigs.
      God Bless America
      Semper Fi

      • Walda

        Amen to that Kenneth. Be sure to leave room for me to stand beside you and shoot along with you!

    • ruth

      who knows, but it could very well be!

  • JOHN

    This is the same thing that germany did in the 1930 with the “Gestopo” Storm Troopers.

    Lets vote these TRAITORS out of office

    • http://jennie.cyclec@yahoo.com Jennifer

      Vote them out? The election is a year away…if Obbummer doesn’t delare martial law and cancel it. That year is all they need to finish us off!!!

  • Roy

    What is it that the mayor of governor of New York said? No one is above the rule of law? Yet he says he believes Illegal aliens should be allowed to stay? So Citizens are not above the law but illegals are?

  • Ray

    Do we have morons in the Senate? I know we have them in Congress. This is the most ridiculous bill since obomacare. That is way too much power for this president or any future president and we all know it will be abused. It is time to get rid of most of the politicians, especially those that have been in office too long, maybe over 12 years is too long. Getting rid of obummer goes without saying, at least the traitor barney frank is retiring on a fat retirement pay which the taxpayers will fund……

    • SickoftheBS

      he only recieves it while he is alive…..

      • Kitty Kat

        Good point…applies to all of them…..

  • http://nc.rr.com Margaret Hood

    Not concered over a president who stands for America and will defend and protect our CONSTITUTION as guaranteed for every American citizen. But this would be A DREAM ACT UNDER A ROGUE PRESIDENT like the one we now have sitting in office! An abusive corrupt administration would run with this one!! STOP IT NOW!!!

    • Mona Callender

      his never been for this country, his not even a citizen……he and his wife hate the usa. otherwise he would be defending and protecting us…..which he has done neither…..bless us dear lord……

  • Worried

    We all better call our senators and congressmen on this one. Obama plans to be dictator.

  • Carl Werner

    Our great country is taking more and more freedom from US! They got upset with Toby Keith referring to Obama as Hitler, well if the shoe fits is what I say. We’ve got to stop this Nazi-ism and now! Obama said he’d give US change, well damn, he sure has and nothing for the better, too.

    • MAB

      It wasn’t Toby Keith- it was Hank Williams Jr. Regardless of who said it- Obama will abuse the power. The White House set up aad to take a website for people to rat out their neighbors.

      • Walda

        Hard to believe anyone would really use that website. Anyone who does should be run out of town on a rail!

    • Wm. A. “Bill” Fisher

      It wasn’t Toby Keith, it was Hank Williams saying Boehner and Obummer playing golf together would be like Hitler and (someone else) playing golf together. Keep your small facts straight so your larger points will have validity.

  • Eugene Curtis

    Did not Hitler have this power in Germany in 1934 and on???? How did that work out????

  • Vern

    Every member of congress that votes for this should be hanged for treason, their job is to protect and defend the constitution not change it to suit themselves or the special intrest groups that buy their votes.

    • scotwright

      To give more power to a socialist POTUS is to act the bigger fool. Every time they raise taxes it doesn’t result in more govt. revenue, but it does take away more of our freedom. Its about time we stopped raising taxes, tolerating queer behavior, and stop murdering babies. We don’t need this law and anyone who votes for it will be long remembered and quickly dismissed from our Senate.

    • Jim

      Hang’em high! Hang’em all!

    • ruth

      amen to that, and now i have a headache, this shi- about obuma and what he is doing to our country makes me sick, and i mean sick, my head hurts. time to hit the sack. have a good nite all.

  • http://www.drdilip.com Dilip Abayasekara

    Such a law would play right into the hands of a president like Obama. It is tailor-made for a president with dictatorial ambitions. Consider that Obama has already side-stepped the requirement that many of his chosen appointees be confirmed by the Senate by appointing “Czars” of his own ilk.

    • Cameron

      What do you expect!!?? Obama completely ignored the main Constitutional requirement that ALL Presidents be NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, which he proudly claims he AIN’T. Little story here: his mammy & two other young girls went to the Dr. for a pregnancy test. The little ole lady receptionist took one look at them & said they didn’t NEED a test, she could look at them & tell they were pregnant! Then she turned to the first girl & asked what position she was in when she got pregnant. “On bottom”, well you’re going to have a boy. Number two said “On top”, oh you’re going to have a girl! Ann Dunham started bawling her eyes out, so the little ole lady asked what was the matter. “I’m gonna have puppies!” That explains how we got a Son of a Bitch in the Oval Office.

  • aspergus Hermann

    Lindsey Graham—Is a total loose cannon and should be jailed for treason–

    • 1949

      YOUR A MORON OR STUPID WHICH ONE IS IT. DUMB A

      • Ticked off American

        At least Mr Hermann is literate enough to be able to spell correctly….and knows the difference between your and you’re….what is your excuse?

        • opine

          L.O.L. T.O.A. I think he answered your query in triplicate, ie. moron, stupid and dumb a.

          Benjamin Franklin

    • Mona Callender

      whoa can tell your a democrat….always saying stupid things…..get behind us and we will protect you…..God Bless yOU

  • http://Google Phil C

    It would be great if you would publish the name of the bill and proper senate bill number so we could respond to our government about this travesty. This bill could start a gestapo type action against citizens. Why not use the military up and down our southern border instead.

    • Ray

      They want illegals to keep coming in for their votes, so they are not going to protect the borders. The only thing they are protecting is their pocketbooks. Our elected officials are out of control and we need to start voting them out and replacing them with new faces. We also very badly need TERM LIMITS and campaign spending reform. Why should the person with the most money usually win the election? What is fair about that? Lets elect some businessmen into Congress and the senate, some people who know how to run a business and work within a budget. The people we have now are tossing trillions of dollars around like it is peanuts. 15 Trillion in debt is 15 football fields filled with 5 foot double pallets of $100 bills, that is a lot of cash! Stop electing the fools you keep voting for, get new faces in there or suffer the consequences.

  • http://thpatriots.blogspot.com/ Anne

    Anyone remember how “We The People” called and faxed and emailed everyone in Congress when the “Amnesty Bill” was to be voted on a few years ago?

    “We The People” who are actually Congress’ Oversight Committee were PRO-ACTIVE enough so as to STOP that Amnesty Bill in its track.

    NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THAT AGAIN.

    Let your Senators know, on no uncertain terms, that if he/she votes FOR this bill, they will NOT be re-elected.

  • StrokerMcgurk

    Normally this would seem logical considering the circumstances of the world we live in. But under this government could this be the first step of having a “Marshalling Force” control our daily lives?

  • john

    The only way to stop this is to overthrow all the Traitors Democrats & Obama & The Entire White House. They Are Traitors that can’t write or pass laws being lawbreakers of the Constitution. The People Must Enforce & execute The Law To Overthrow & Execute The Traitors Of The United Being Foreign & Domestic Enemies Of The United States.

    • Ray

      Right on!

  • David in MA

    UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!
    Doesn’t this violate the comotose pussy act?

    • Mona Callender

      ANOTHER BRAIN HEARD FROM…..OH LORD ARE WE IN TROUBLE

      • David in MA

        you are an idiot!

    • David in MA

      This is what I was referring to….

      The Posse Comitatus Act is an often misunderstood and misquoted United States federal law
      (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent
      (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments
      and law enforcement agencies from using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the
      land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from
      exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain
      “law and order”; it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the
      United States Constitution or Act of Congress.

      The statute only directly addresses the US Army (and is understood to equally apply to
      the US Air Force as a derivative of the US Army); it does not reference, and thus does
      not implicitly apply to nor restrict units of the National Guard under federal authority
      from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States.
      The Navy and Marine Corps are prohibited by a Department of Defense directive,
      not by the Act itself.[1][2] The Coast Guard, under the Department of Homeland Security,
      is exempt from the Act.

      • Dorris

        Thank God, Some one is still taking time to research.
        Thanks David,I knew some people that writes comments do this before just repeating what some socialist wrote down as fact.

    • Kitty Kat

      C’mon David…we intelligent people knew what you meant. Please don’t shock the rest of our friends by saying such stuff.

  • steve

    I have said for several years it is time to get your guns and take it back.

    • Ed

      AMEN!

  • Fed Up Texan

    I have tolad a few people that I suspect obama is makiong ready gas chambers for white Americans. Step one…..martial law, arrest, dissapperance, death. You think I was kidding?
    The not born in the U.S. dictator in chief hates white people.

    • http://jennie.cyclec@yahoo.com Jennifer

      He even wrote two books saying so….and still they elected him.

  • ajfrench

    This is just the beginning of the roller-coaster ride allowing the UN to takeover the world. The NWO is gearing up for a Fascist world order. Why else would Barney Frank not seek re-election. You’ll see the exit from power within the US government, to vie for a seat in the UN, by those who are most guilty of commanding this order, beginning with the Clinton’s. Obama was just their patsy. But, please note, this NWO is going to usher in the return of Jesus Christ. This is what we have to look forward to. Pray that His coming will be swift and that these will be stopped.

    • Pastor Patriot

      He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly, Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20

      • Kitty Kat

        Amen and AMEN! Maranatha Lord Jesus!

  • Charles

    Time for gun owners to occupy DC!

  • Virginia

    I agree with William. This should not happen in this country.

    • Mona Callender

      IT WONT TRUST ME

  • Joyce

    Wont be long till they put all of us on that high speed rail to nowhere, just like Hitler did. Look out America. We are doomed. Obama will declare martial law and there wont be an election.

  • Pat G

    When you have a dick tator for a president like obamy this is insanity. He is insane enough already.

    • T-Texas

      Scratch the tator

    • R. Dwyer

      Insane, maybe … but EVIL definitely. And while you are in a thinking mode, think:
      George Soros! Do the research on one of the most evil men ever born on Planet Earth. A mega Billionaire, he is the Puppet Master of one B.O. aka Prez of the USA. He is pulling B.O.’s strings behind the scenes, while having personal dreams of grandeur .. no matter how murky they be … of taking over the Planet. He is one big Sicko!

      B.O. (a good nickname for the Prez, don’t you think?) …. Also Soros is definitely not American! But… for that matter, as mentioned previously, neither is B.O.

      Now I’m scratching my head while wondering how We the People were taken for this Ride…. Was it because of the Obummer Family’s Personna. Weren’t they Jackie and John Kennedy, revisited? (With their two little kids) And also, they got inside our “guilt” as a once Segregated Nation. Are you now having your own AHA moment yet?
      If so, CONGRATS!

      Well, we voted them in. An attractive black man with an attractive black wife and two cute little kids who are the real Pawns in this setup because they will never know and appreciate the grandeur and grace of America due to their own Parental brainwashing.

      Some time ago I found a YouTube film on Facebook: B.O. was a new Instructor at Harvard teaching Law. He tells the Students: “I am not American. I was born in Kenya.” He says it with puffed up pride. Little did he know that someone in the Audience (perhaps a Student) was filming him…. and years later posted it on YouTube.
      BUT NOW, VISITING THAT YOU TUBE SITE, I DISCOVERED THAT THIS PARTICULAR FILM HAS BEEN PUT UNDER LOCK AND KEY AND IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. (What does that tell you?)

      Obviously, folks, We have a very dangerous man in the White House and he has, in one of his “shadow” Connittees, behind the scenes, one George Soros who is pulling his Strings. Watch him try to shut down Fox News. This is now underway … an attack on Free Speech!

      When I look at the face of B.O. I see the Anti Christ…. or at least one of his Henchmen!
      TAKE ANOTHER LOOK FOLKS! And run as fast as you can to the Hills because if you seek Congressional Help you may be left wanting for we no longer know for sure who is on his Dole.

  • Mark111

    This is a direct violation of the 4th Amendment.

    • Jim

      I can’t even believe that they would consider this! I guess Odumma only has a short time left to do as much damage as he can.

  • Yorkshire

    Grahamnesty RINO likes it. That figures. Hope he’s the first one picked up. And you know BO would love this power. He’ll arrest half the House.

  • Bettye Green

    This is really treading on dangerous grounds. It could be twisted in so many ways. No more tea party protests and even the wall street protestors, whether you agree with them or not. We just lost a Navy Seal family member a few months ago. He died for us to have this right and protection from our government. This is a Republic not a nation of tryanny! Folks had better wake up before all our rights are gone.

  • http://ignoredrealityblog.com Tony from ignoredrealityblog.com

    The communists control the Senate but they no longer control the House. Those in the Senate can try all they want to impose communism in this country but the House will stop it. And IF that communist MORON even thinks to try something like this with “executive order” THAT action alone will cause the American people to finally forcibly remove him and the others from government.

    • Ed

      I AM WITH YOU BROTHER!

      • Jim

        Me too!

  • Jim

    I never thought the day would come when I was on the same side as the ACLU, but…

    • aspergus Hermann

      Thing do change don’t they Tony — some people are forgetting how this country was founded and why–The big man is riding herd on this country—

  • Capt. Link Hogthrob

    Wait till the thug in chief gets his hands on this. His will deputize his own private military (acorn, seiu, the new blk panthers, ows, aclu, la raza) and start America’s second civil war.

    • Ray

      Bring the war on!

  • Henry

    So this is how it ends? One step at a time and our freedoms disappear forever. Good intentioned people still think that we can trust our Government to always do the right thing. History teaches us the opposite. I’ll have to go with History on this one!

  • E. G.

    What in heaven’s name is happening. Don’t any of those people down there ever read history books, ever discuss the horrid events that happened under dictators?????

    Carl and Debbie – if you vote for this piece of legislation – the people of the State of Michigan should put you in the village square in stocks. Hopefully, you have more common sense than those that are suggesting this legislation.

    • bsfurg

      its Carls bill for heavens sake… sounds like hes a communist.. He should be one of the first one that should be picked then.. hes a traitor to america.. thats not the FREEDOM that AMERICA preached . its communism… and maybe we will get rid of Debbid in 2012.. she s yes mam to Obama they forget the oath they take protect America they end up protecting there party…

  • Catherine Haugh

    Is this a plan to put Americans to work? Is this why our military is being pulled out of war zones? Will our service personel have the COURAGE to say NO!!!?
    This is not a good thing and deffinatly leads to abuse of power. Why would a republican female supports this?

  • If this Communist Bill is passed, welcome to , the first, of many, Dictator of , what used to be, The United Statesnof America

    This cannot be allowed to happen, contact your Senators, there has to be more Americans in the Senate, than, anti-Americans.

    • JohnGalt

      There are some Dem Senators who are challenging this bill, but given the Republican support for it, they are unlikely to be able to block it. Damn those pinko Republicans and pesky inconvenient facts.

      Support the Udall Amendment.

  • Patricia

    This is the most destructive, fearsome bill a Senate in America has ever attempted to pass, especially with the type of President in office at this time. Obama will use it relentlessly against the citizens that oppose him. Who’s to say we won’t get an even worse President, one even more traitorous, one that hates America so much he won’t wait for a second term to complete his destruction of every Patriot in America.

    • Ray

      There is no one worse than what we have now, unless of course hillary ever wins, OMG that would be very bad, I would rather have Bill back then her.

  • Chad

    This would be our Gov declaring war on us!… They better put up wire around DC after this cr#p… We need to get these Traitors out of Washington!!

  • okee

    It is becoming clear as to why we have 800+ FEMA CAMPS empty but in operation. (These are
    in some circles referenced as re-education camps).

    Google FEMA CAMPS , if your not concerned, good luck.

  • Jim

    No way should this become law. We have the various police agencies in this country that provide for the arrest of citizens if necessary. The military should not be given this power unless martial law has been declared for a just cause. Why give this power to someone who could use it to gain control of the country under any excuse they invent. We have already seen this acted out before. I do not believe that this would fly under the Constitution if passed. It makes it way too easy to put us under a dictatorship and help to push us into one world government. The government now does not want to enforce the laws on the books now, and they expect us to just roll over and grant them more power to corrupt with?

  • Robert R

    This is the first step to Oboner being able to stop the election, declare martial law and make himself the permanent dick tater of this once great country. Do not let this wanna be Marxist Dick tater take away our rights.

  • Lou

    Seems like the Soviet Union or Cuba

  • Donald

    As a viet nam vet I’m amazed that the covernment would consider such a law . This from a man , ( Obama ) , that the constituion says I am sworn to protect ! Rethink this , or face an awfull revolt from the people

    • Mona Callender

      THATS WHAT HE WANTS…….SO HE CAN DECLARE MARSHALL LAW…..

  • Ed

    BRING IT ON!

  • Frank Ceja

    With the nut cases (muslims) we have in power they would immediately start arresting people starting with Darrel Issa, this is very stupid or it is not clear enough.

  • wild bill

    Lindsey Graham has always been a traitor why would you expect anything else from him.

  • Eve

    Obama’s promise in his speech in Germany for a ‘police force’ in America larger than our military…They can try but this will NEVER work in America!

    • R. Dwyer

      OH CONTRAIRE, EVA …. IF TIMES CONTINUE TO GET HARDER AND MONEY & FOOD MORE SCARCE (which is expected) WE WILL SEE MORE GOVT. “CONTROL”
      Nazi Germany started like this…. with discontent from the People who then elected a very charismatic individual aka Adolph Hitler. And the rest is History!

      With letting the Obamas gain the White House WE thought we had Jackie and John Kennedy, revisited, who only had to assure us of “change” and then WE fell for it…. hook like and sinker! Duhhhhh…..

  • Pete

    Can we get the Bill number so we can all read it and know exactly what is in it so we can fight it?

  • jakebrake

    Well! Sound to me like Obombnic and Riedtard want to become DICTATOR and his AIDE . Wake up America our you will be living in a Muslim-Dictator country.

  • Dave Parker

    Whose idea was this? Saddam? Moammar?Hitler?Mussolini? Stalin? This is over the top. If this passes it will turn into Dictatorship. The mere fact that this is being discussed is obsene. Stop it.

    • R. Dwyer

      TO DAVE;

      YOU MEAN SWEEP IT UNDER THE RUG? WAKE UP! IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING.

      The question and challenge is: How do we Stop it?

  • ziegenfarm

    the fema camps are ready. they will begin filling up shortly. anyone who speaks out against dictator obama will be abducted and never heard from again. we just lost what few rights we had left. this is indefinate detention, too. you could sit there for the rest of your life with no trial. while we are being treated like terrorists, obama will be making friends and giving concessions to the real terrorists. obama said this was a muslim nation and he is determined to make it so.

  • Big T

    How come we hear nothing from the Militia movement of a few years ago, (now is the time for all men to come together) they should be recruiting on these sites !

  • Alexander

    This is a very frightening bill and I would never want Obama to have this kind of power! This should be placed before the entire country for a vote at the next general election. We cannot trust our elected representatives in the Senate to act in our best interests and our behalf. Let the people vote it down.

  • Patricia

    I fully agree our homeland has become a battlefield, thanks to Obama. All the Socialist, Marxist and Communist plus the Union traitors, have crawled from their holes in search of their leader, Obama. Surely, we have enough laws on the books to take care of them. A law passed through the Senate to take control of this issue will be destructive to this Nation.

  • Linda Lockwood

    Baby steps. This is how we got to this point. Very alarming.

  • claysher

    What, Legalized Marshall Law? Bite my ASS! Buy guns and AMMO you will need them.

  • FRANK B HILL

    HERE WE GO, GIVING THE DEMOCRAPS THE POWER TO IMPRISON CITIZENS AS THEY DO IN THE ARAB COUNTRIES. MORE SHARIA TYPE LAWS. ANYBODY WHO VOTES FOR THIS MUST BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE.

  • JO

    WHAT IS THE PROLEM? YOU DON’T LIKE MY COMMENTS. YOU REALLY ARE MAKING ME ANGRY. THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF OBAMONATION!!!!!

    • JO

      THANK YOU. OBAMA NEEDS TO LEAVE BEFORE HE IS TARRED & FEATHERED

    • JO

      I MEANT WHAT I SAID PREVIOUSLY. THIS IS BULLCRAP. OBAMA IS BEGGING FOR A SHOW DOWN. IF HE CONTINUES PUSHING HIS STUPIDITY ALONG WITH HIS ATHEIST OR ALLAH BELIEFS AND SOCIALISM, THE PEOPLE WILL REVOLT. THEN, HE WON’T BE SAFE UNLESS HE CRAWLS BACK UNDER THE ROCK HE CRAWLED OUT OF 4 YRS AGO.

  • David

    this is part of the scheme that i have been preaching about since that ahab mugahadeen has been in office. he is not afraid of being voted out of office as he plans to have a major incident happen that will allow him to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. this is just one more step towards being able to enforce the martial law when he declares it. the koran says if you must claim you are CHRISTIAN to fool the infidel then that is allowed. his revered reverand wright is a muslim and he claims to have been changed to a CHRISTIAN. the thing is that that person in office was raised in the wahabi sect and they are muslims for life. the twin tower terrorists were all wahabi’s. all i know is that i swore to defend the Constitution against ALL ENEMIES, both foreign and DOMESTIC, and i am not alone. this is probably one of the reasons they are moving to pass this bill so they can do away with those of us that are the biggest threat to their agenda. FACT: all the registered hunters in the UNITED STATES, note i said registered, constitute the 4th largest army in the world. with martial law they can take our weapons with no explanation and if we refuse they can kill us on sight. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

  • Breeze

    I guess this allows US, the people, to arrest and hold any politicians, forever with no charges. Isn’t this “crimes against humanity”? They ARE really worried about the revolution that THEY are starting. WE THE PEOPLE have taken enough, they don’t want to open that can of worms. Work for us, or run for your lives!

  • Patricia

    BTW, this came from the ACLU? What have they ever done to work FOR America?

  • Gene Wiggins

    On March 10, 2009, active duty Army military police troops from Fort Rucker were deployed to Samson, Alabama in response to a murder spree. Samson officials confirmed that the soldiers assisted in traffic control and securing the crime scene. The governor of Alabama did not request military assistance nor did President Obama authorize their deployment. Subsequent investigation found that the Posse Comitatus Act was violated and several military members received “administrative actions.”

  • ajfrench

    Also, you might want to know that UN Agenda 21 calls for a 85% reduction in the world population. This is how many they are willing to kill. Reclaim the government or they will not allow you to vote in 2012. Do not go out to meet them in the streets. This is what they want. They want you to give them reason to kill you otherwise, they will just look like the greedy whore mongers they are and it will be evident to all people around the world. Make them come and get you out of your home. Then God will see who is greedy and who is guilty.

    Everything that both the Republicans and Democrats, currently holding office, are doing is just stalling to create the right atmosphere for this world takeover and domination. Satan will come out of the pit and fill the elect Anti-Christ who will sit on the throne in Jerusalem Temple. By this you will know him (Satan). This is why they are calling for Israel to give over Palestine.

  • Lonnie Albertson

    This is not mere stupidity, it is insanity. Whoever came up with this one should not only be immediately removed from office but tried, and convicted, of treason.

  • USA4ever

    You are safe if you are a Muslim/commie like Odumb&*s or an illegal alien –But if you are a CITIZEN then look out
    This is the feds way of saying they are becoming afraid of the citizens wanting to fight back for their rights
    That fight is no longer that far off we really can’t wait any longer for 2012

  • Kimbo Casserole

    Anywhere in the world?? While we are our brothers’ keeper we should be very careful exercising our right to arrest on sovereign ground of another country. We will only be opening the gate to like treatment by anyone we have offended. At the very least, the bill needs to be revised concerning arrests made in the U.S.A. to say “citizens of other countries who are within the borders of our nation.” If American citizens are arrested without charge or trial this bill will be a direct afront to our Bill Of Rights. Congress had better take pause to consider how big the can is that they’re opening and what is contained within.

  • http://att.net Bill

    Just what we need more government what BS only a commie would do this.

  • http://WWW.SPIRITOFAMERICAPARTYRADIOSHOW.COM ABUTOM

    IF THIS IS ALL THEY HAVE TO DO. FIRE THEM ALL. I NEVER TRUSTED LINSEED GRAHAMCRACKER. HE LIKES TO COURTS MARTIAL PRIVATES. GET THEM ALL IN THE FALL. THE ONLY TWO WORDS I WANT TO HEAR FROM A POLITICIAN IS WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE TERMITES GET TERMINATED.

  • TBONE

    This may be our call to arms – it would not be the first time in our history that “the people” take back the government.

  • spxz

    It’s clear that our representatives in the House and Senate cannot read. Had they actually been able to read the Constitution, they would know this is not allowed. It is time to impeach, recall, and place on trial for treason, every one of the morons suggesting such a law. The 2012 elections will be crucial folks. We have MANY Democrats and Republicans to flush out of DC.

    • http://yahoo Bob

      I agree 100% We have some in both party’s not worth the lead to shot them. They have no valve on Earth except what they have stolen from hard working AMERICAN’S. GOD will judge these PEOPLE as sure as they are stealing from the PEOPLE.

      • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

        Where did you learn to spell? Didn’t you get “spell check” on your system. Did you mean “shot” or “shoot” They have no “valve” is that for a carburetor? What have they stolen from you? Your brain. The Wizard of Oz is coming on the boob tube in the coming days and maybe you can go to OZ and have a heart and brain given to you, to go along with your shotgun. But if not I’ll get your “stuff” back. I’ll call Nancy Reagan and she’ll communicate with Ronnie through her Medium and he’ll know the answer. Its in the stars don’t you know?

        • Jim of Olym

          PS: Martial law is spelled ‘martial’, not ‘marshall’. For all the dummies out there. Products of the American home schooling system, I think.
          thank you for cogent and nuanced reples, Mr. Garfunkel!

  • Hal

    Which side do you think the aclu is on?They are never on America’s side!

  • Regina Goddard

    does anyone know the actual name or number of the bill? Is it in the house or senate right now?

    • noelle

      it is S.1867 the defense authorization bill
      WE HAVE TO SAY NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! RISE UP AND RISE UP NOW! CALL YOUR SENATORS AND TELL THEM TO GET THIS OUT OF THE FY’ 12 DEFENSE BILL!

  • Jack Turner

    When any individual takes a public job, part of that is to take an oath to ‘Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States’.. Any politician who would vote for this bill would be violating their OATH of OFFICE, and as such, should be impeached. This bill is in violation of the Fifth, Sixth, and Ninth Amendments.

  • Tracy Andersen

    This is precisely why the Constitution and its Amendments were written as they were — to allow the people to defend themselves against Government excesses — first by vote, then by weaponry if finally and absolutely necessary.

    The arguments about gun control aiming to prevent criminal use of guns misses the more basic point, as noted above, to a critical misdirection of the national debate. For example, consider why Obama would want to take away our guns — to allow his establishment of his “dictatorship” unopposed, by a weakened populace. Just a thought, of a possible scenario.

  • Tom

    What has happened to the Posse Comitatus Act as it applied to the military?????

  • Freeme

    Every ‘little’ freedom lost has led to this, and we stood by and LET IT HAPPEN. GIVE THEM AN INCH AND THEY WILL TAKE A MILE…in this case forcing everyone to REGRESS back to The Inquisition and SERFDOM.

    WANT A REAL ‘CHANGE’ FOR THE ENHANCEMENT OF HUMAN KIND?

    VOTE RON PAUL 2012. He has been saying what he means and means what he says FOR OVER 30 YEARS….no stepping back, no covering tracks, no flip flopping, and ACTS on what he says when he VOTES IN CONGRESS WHO ELSE CAN SAY THAT?

    • 57 girl

      I agree. Ron Paul is the only Candidate running that I see, that would bring this type of nonsense to a screeching halt. Dr. Paul is the only one that actually wants to restore America, our Constitution, and our rights as FREE citizens. Please people for the sake of our Nation, vote for Ron Paul. He is our only hope at maintaining our Sovereign identity.

  • David in MA
  • REASON1

    Isn’t this the reason we declared the Revolutionary War against England and sent them our Declaration of Independence from their LAWS and GOVERNMENT ???

    OF COURSE IT IS! We all need to remind our senators of this IMMEDIATELY ! Use the DAV website for the most effective notification.

    • dem hater

      Harry Reid and Barack Obama DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION

      this is why they stand against the USA right now, they vow to destroy America, and return Our nation to a Tyrannical Socialist Poverty strciken nation so they can become more powerful with their communistic rule of law, and deny American citizens their rights…… ARREST HARRY REID AND BARACK OBAMA NOW!!!! FOR TREASON

  • Irishmist1000

    This is the craziest piece of legislation that has ever come out of Congress. To give that insane, crazy, left-wing, progressive, liberal, democrap, idiot so much power is just to much for WE THE PEOPLE to swollow. They are now deciding for the AMERICAN CITIZENS that we will now have a dictator for life. NO ONE IS SAFE FROM THESE IDIOTS IN CONGRESS. I sure hope that the military will arrest the “so called president”, the “so called congress” and the “so called supreme court” before anyone else. They are the homeland threat, not CITIZENS.

  • 57 girl

    I can’t believe that the American people are letting our Government get away with trampling on our Constitution the way they are doing. I used to think the talk of “Fema” camps were conspiracies drummed up to create fear. But, the way things are going, I’m beginning to wonder if there is not some truth to them. There are a lot of descenders that would pick up arms and fight against a tyrannical Government, and this could be step one into bringing those descenders into check. Everyday, I worry that we are one step closer to another ‘bloody’ Revolution. We have got to go back and look at how our Representatives are voting and remove the ones from office that are not defending our Constitution (which is most of them). I think this is why Ron Paul is becoming so popular. He appears to be the only Candidate running that hasn’t sold his soul to the NWO elite that are out to erase our borders and our Constitution. If we had the wisdom to put Ron Paul in office, you’d better believe that our troops would not be fighting against their fellow citizens. I hope our troops will put the American people and our Constitution ahead of any orders from our Government to betray their Country. Which is what they would be doing if they took up arms against us.

    • JimRed

      The FEMA camps are there; the only question remaining is, what is their purpose? No straight answers forthcoming on that.

  • Regina Goddard

    woops! Didn’t read the whole thing. sorry. all bills and thier status can be seen on Opencongress.com.

    this is pretty freaking scarry!

  • http://conservativebyte.com Raymond

    GENERAL PUBLIC NOTICE:
    Please be advised I am sick to death of receiving questions about my dog who mauled 3 Muslims sitting on a rug next to my back wall, 6 illegal’s wearing Obama t-shirts, 4 stupid Democrats wearing Pelosi T-shirts, 2 rappers, 5 phone operators who asked me to press #1 for English, 9 teenagers with their pants hanging down past their cracks, 8 Customer Service Desk people speaking in broken English, 10 flag burners, and a Pakistani taxi driver.
    FOR THE LAST TIME…
    THE DOG IS NOT FOR SALE ! ! !

    • Dorris

      If you ever breed that dog put me down for one of the puppy’s,but train them first.

  • Nikita63

    If it is an internal insurrection the government is looking for, I think it a fair bet to say that every Veteran with a means to defend family and property will do so and we have to hope that our much disrespected military does the same and refuses to fire on citizens or implement such a blatantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL act against American Citizens because you KNOW it will be citizens arrested and imprisoned without due process, Illegals and Muslims will have a field day. We’d all best prepare fo the coming conflict because if this is passed, conflict there will be. We may be getting older and not particularly of a mind to have to do what our oaths tell us to do but there are 23.6 million veterans in this country and most of us find this President and this Congress in Constitutional violation of their oaths every day. We lived up to and HONORED ours,. Can we do less for our people when there is such an obvious and crying need for it? I THINK NOT!

  • bud

    it is senate bill s1867

  • Bob Marshall

    Our government has gone so far down the wrong path the only hope we have is for America to turn back to God to heal our land. Christians have been given the same promises as the Israelites because of God’s love for all who accept Jesus into their lives. II Chronicles 7:14 God said that i want that none should die. Too many in America today think that we are above God’s laws. We need to ask for his guidance and forgiveness. We deserve his wrath. God gave Israel many chances through out their history and i believe he is giving America one last chance. America today owes Sodom & Gomorrah an apology.

  • AZRanger

    This is both an illegal, and Un-Constitutional action on the part of the transformationalists in the Senate, and it is my line in the sand. If this passes, I think the majority of Americans who are awake will make the determination that the federal gov’t has now declared war on any dissenters in the American public!
    It will not be long now, till the shooting match starts. Hope all of you are prepared, because when they come for people’s guns, and begin the arrests of dissenters, or people who are on the “watch-list,” the patriots in this country will resist en-mass, and I really do pity those who have perpetrated this mess, because there is a distinct possibility of a “French Revolution-style” reaction by Americans who are REALLY ANGRY at the Communist/Fascist takeover attempt of this country!
    Good Luck bad guys, because when the time is right, we are going to kill you !
    In the Spirit of Liberty,
    AZRanger
    AZRanger

  • we’re not stupid

    Here comes more of the end of this country as we know it. Communism is on it’s way in full strength. WE THE PEOPLE don’t mean dilly to those stupid idiots that are supposed to be doing the right and best thing for this USA. It you watch tv much you can see it coming in a big FLASH. He is “out of control”. As for Lindsey baby – you best watch out. Changing in mid stream sometimes means the end. So hopefully the voters of your state will get the message “you are not trustworthy”. You don’t care about the people of this country – oh yea, I forgot neither does anyone else in the Senate or House. God help us all. Maybe God will come back real soon and destroy this world and then we will not have any worries about the stupdity of this nations leaders.

  • Jeremy Jones

    Invest in precious metals.
    Buy LEAD. This country is headed in the direction the communists and muzzies have wanted it to go for years.

  • http://mealer2012.com JL MEALER

    The SINGLE solution to rid America of this filthy corruption is JL MEALER.

    http://mealer2012.com

    Please, take the time to read page one and get the Dems and GOP crooks out of DC.

  • http://yahoo Bob

    All I heard when PRESIDENT BUSH WAS IN OFFICE trying to defend this COUNTRY from another terrorist attack was all He doing is taking your freedom away all the liberals and ACLU. Now the LIBERALS are doing the same thing. What a double standard from the little people.

    • scotwright

      Whoever takes our freedom away, be he Republican or Democrat is our enemy. George Bush started out OK but later, for personal reasons he turned against us. Obama was against freedom to begin with. We really need to recognize that this next election is a referendum on the survival of America. The only man running who will stand up for America and stop this foolishness is Mitt Romney. Newt is a highly intelligent man with some major flaws. Cain is a smart businessman who will make a lot of money selling his books, but his 9-9-9 plan would raise taxes on the poor. Bachmann should stay where she is and continue to fight for freedom. Paul is a nut case who seems to have taken too many of his own drugs. Perry is brain dead and knows very little about the government. Huntsman is a Morman who says “I am not too religious” which means he would betray the rest of us as fast as he has betrayed his faith. BAD! Santorum is a loser just like Cain. Romney is not perfect and all the perfect people shouldn’t vote for him. As an imperfect person myself all I can do is go for the Best and that is definitely Mitt in 2012!

  • Bett in Fl

    There is only ONE candidate who will return us to the US Constitution, cut 1 trillion, reverse our debt and get US out of the UN! Agenda 21 (UN takeover of USA) must be stopped as this will contribute to this bill passing. Our lawmakers sold us out, not reading what they sign. See if your city is on ‘the Agenda 21 list’. RON PAUL knows the Constitution, it was not broken and now distorted. Fed will be limited to Constitutionally governed and size reduction. Fed has no business continuing toward socialism and globalism!! Google Agenda 21 or it won’t matter WHO is president!

  • http://conservativebyte.com Raymond

    United States of America.
    Born: July 4, 1776
    Died: Nov 4, 2008
    Cause of Death: Suicide

  • kitty

    LETS WAKE UP AMERICA WE R BEING HAD HERE,I SURE HOPE OUR MILITARY WILL NOT TURN ON US,GOD SEE THE EVIL GOING ON HE WILL HELP US SOON WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP OUR FAITH IN GOD FOR US TO KEEP OUR FREEDOM,,GOD BLESS AMERICA AMEN PRAISE THE LORD.

  • deboss

    this is why we have a 2nd ammendment,,this is why we have civil war,,this is why our govt must be voted out out out,,,..HIDE YOUR GUNS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Katz

    U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican from South Carolina, and ALL other RINO’s have got to go. What a stooge for Obama and the New World Order. Put our returning troops on the Border where the REAL war is taking place.

  • Jeffrey Monheit

    Ron Paul 2012: The real change We The People wanted and are still looking for! Accept no substitutions. http://www.ronpaul2012.com

    • American Patriot

      @Jeffrey Monheit,
      I’m with ya!!!

  • Doc

    Senate bill S1867. §1031…but FIRST (!!) please also look at subsection §1032(b):

    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    if Nancy Pelosi had been in charge, we would first have to pass it, then later read it and see how it applies to us.

  • Bobbie Holland

    This is so far from what our forefathers envisioned for our beloved country. They are stripping us of all our freedoms we have enjoyed and taken for granted. It it time to take our country back.

  • Another Veteran

    Why not? It worked for Hitler and Stalin-it should work for Obama and the Democrats too.

  • Roger

    This is one of the primary reasons why the 13 original colonies rebelled against the King of England and why we had the Bill of Rights. We already have enough laws on the books for the FBI to do this. This is pure insanity and shows just how far toward socialism and a dictatorship the country is leaning. I wish we had a true independant running for congress whom supports the majority of this country and not the Dems or Reps.

  • Greg

    This is the kind of thing that starts revolutions.

  • linda mosley

    One must remember, the media will not broadcast this or any information that goes against the American people. The media at one time was a news circular but it has been infested with marxist’s and commies. I would guess this all about POWER.There are those that have been very upset by so many “everyday” citizens able to get rich off their creativity. Always remember, it’s power and greed and this does not mean the businessman who would like to profit from people who buy his wares and put people to work.I would guess 95% don’t know anything these moron’s in Washington are doing by stepping on the Constitution and their rights. They do not want people to know the REAL facts so they blindside with OW’s. Sixties all over again, they want to shut you up.
    All I can say is “God bless us all”.

  • peter martin

    unfortunately, nothing we haven’t seen before. Lincoln used this same method to imprison opponents in the north and border states, including politicians and newspaper editors. Only reason he didn’t do it in the south was because he had no authority in the Confederate States.

  • Joyce

    Ever wonder what is going on in Colorado, under the airport? Lots of construction going on there, and has been for a long time. Workers working around the clock digging tunnels and bringing in concrete trucks. Google it. The new world order. Check out some of the paintings in the airport. It will put the fear of God in US. God help us.

  • Ed

    This is how Hitler started folks ! Your guns will be next, then it’s all over !

  • buck billiard

    All I can say is that we need to get this war on the way!!!. go to DC and kill every damn SOB their….. start with obama and every member of the government… kill them all…lets start all over

  • Scott

    Say hello to their New World Order. I for one will not be in this country until this insanity is gone.

  • Doc

    Please read ALL of S.1867, Subtitle D

  • Lawrence Kennedy

    This is one of the reasons we split from Britain. Our Declaration of Independence included crimes of “rendered the Military independent of and siperior ththe Civil power”, “for deprivins us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury”. The IV Amendment to the Constitution states “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, no Warrants shall issue, butupon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”. What this proposed law by Congress is in direct violation of Our Constitution, which those Honorable Persons have taken an Oath to protect and defend. If such should happen, then they should be indited for TREASON, and our government has fallen, and it will be time to sever ties as we did in 1776-1784.

    • http://advocates-wvox.com rjgarfunkel

      “… “rendered the Military independent of and siperior ththe Civil power”, “for deprivins us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury”. The IV Amendment to the Constitution states “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, no Warrants shall issue, butupon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”.

      Could you repeat that in the Queen’s English. You should use spell check or proof read.

      “Our Constitution, which those Honorable Persons have taken an Oath to protect and defend. If such should happen, then they should be indited for TREASON, and our government has fallen, and it will be time to sever ties as we did in 1776-1784.”

      Could you clarify the word “indited?” So you are calling for insurrection? Call the UFO hot line to get George Washington and Ronald Reagan to the rescue.

  • Yuggi

    How crazy can they get ? What’s next, the firing squad for passing gas ? Or maybe they’ll make us hammer corks into our assholes to save toilet paper. They just keep pounding away, one foolish thing after another, because they know that most Americans are stupid and don’t want to know what’s going on. What they don’t know is that the leaders of our unfriendly, enemy nations are much more intelligent than our leaders. When the US is defeated (and our congress will make sure that it is) their heads will roll. God help them. They just don’t know any better. Fellow Americans, it’s all money and power. To hell with the American people. Folks it’s been nice knowing you. Hang in there.

  • Brian

    Constitution ? Who needs that old out of date thing !

    • Marvin Douglas U.S. Army Ritered

      brian
      you’re stupid and not an AMERICAN

  • CHRISTOPHER

    This would absolutely require a very complex Constitutional Amedment. If they somehow get this through the Senate and Congress that will mean that the “Group” has aready acquired the complicity of the U.S. Supreme Court in this absolute “Orwellian” final solution!!!! If you have never openly demonstrated against Government illegal, unconstituional userpation of the reins of Government now is the time!!!!!!!!

  • James Kirksey

    KGB!

  • Leah

    This is how in Hitler’s Nazi Germany they made the jews get on the trains to the Concentration death camps!!!!
    This is some very scary A$$ Sh## People!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WAKE UP NOW AMERICA….PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • J.M.FELS,,NEW JERSEY

    That will just be a fancy way of saying ….The United States of America is now under marshall law…That is why they want to take away your personal weapons…Time for the offense to go to defense….Just one mans opinion…..and it that happens everoney inclulding me who has posted thier heartfelt convictions..on any site as this will be the first to feel the long arm of the tyrannical dictatorship it would produce…especially with the freedom stealing marxist left…..

    • J Wilson

      That’s Martial Law …. M-A-R-T-I-A-L Law…

      • J.M.FELS,,NEW JERSEY

        thank you for the correction typing to fast

  • J Wilson

    COOL! Does this mean the US Military will be able to arrest and detain without trial Barack Hussain Obama????

    Oh! Wait! He’s not a US Citizen… DAMN! Oh, well… At least the military can police up those OWS maggots.

  • Babs

    This makes no sense when the National Guard cannot take action against illegals crossing the borders into the US. They put Border Patrol Agents in prison for roughing up an illegal carrying large amount of drugs. I am confused, what is going on?

  • Doc

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE folks…

    read the actual draft Senate bill…specifically, §1032(b)

    • ccfonten

      I agree. Correct me if I am wrong in my reading, but it states specifically that this is in pursuiant to declaration of war and that LEGAL resident aliens and American CITIZENS are NOT to be detained by the military without due cause. It also states specifically Al Quaeda and it’s affiliates.
      This article is not exactly factual and will only cause more panic from those who do not care to read the dang bill!!

    • J.M.FELS,,NEW JERSEY

      just read the bill and you are correct ..but in the case that the…pres. whomever it may be when martial law is the law…then anyone is fair game…….God Bless you all

  • Old Sarge

    If you do not own a weapon now is the time to buy one or more and stock up on plenty o ammo then learn how to use it, remember gun control is hitting what you shoot at. To hell with Obama and the stupid people who voted him in office, its time to clean house.

    • Old Sarge

      The impostor again.

  • richard a fooshee

    The american people are so affraid of civil unrest if our national disgrace is removed from office. that there will be an uprising of monumental proportions that no one is willing to test the waters. All anyone does is complain and hope that enough people will take steps to remove out national disgrace from office in 2012 that is all that needs to be done. Wrong! Remove all of them. Democrats and Republicans alike. We really need to start over with honest people and if little old ladies is all that can be found. I’m all for them then.

  • Ed Diviney Jr

    This is against the United States of America’s Constitution. As far as America goes, we can blame all the Liberals and douche bags who voted for Obama and helped put all these Socialist’s in Washington. You got what you wanted and I know you’ll be happy when they come and arrest you some day. You all screwed every American over by putting these folks in charge. See what happens when you pull that immature Nazi crap of not voting for someone because of their religion (Not voting for Mitt Romney just because he’s a Mormon is exactly how Nazi’s acted towards the Jews and how you acted towards us in the past) or just voting for a guy because of his skin color.

    I’m glad everyone is happy that America is turning into another Nazi Germany. I’m not and glad I only have 2 years left in the military so i can get out.

  • Ernie Babcock

    One step closer to the dreams had by Obama for his dictatorial take over of this country. Wake up people. Smell the coffee.

  • http://legalinvestigations.com Mike Knight

    I’m sure the moron masses will just sit back and allow this to happen while they party, and watch their reality shows, and sporting events. The police state has already gone too far, and the only solution for the dumb dumb voters is to simply volley back, and forth between the two corrupt corporatist globalist police state parties.

  • MontieR

    The TRAITOROUS basta*d John Mc Cain wrote this piece of GARBAGE and needs to be treated like a TRAITOR during war time and HUNG.

  • Sarah Turner

    Does no one want to admit that the ones who is suppose to be protecting us is setting in motion the means to set it so as to place a Dictator in place. If anyone disagrees with his/her policies just pick them up and they simply disappear. Just look at all the countries that allow this to be done now(the Muslim countries to cover a few). This remind me of the story,” The Emperor’s New Clothes”. No one but a child was willing to stand up and tell him that he was naked. We had better stand up WHILE we STILL can and say ENOUGH is ENOUGH.

  • Terry

    “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.” (S.1867, sec 1032, b, 1).

    This sentiment is further affirmed by case law (meaning even if this section were to pass, it wouldn’t be legal and would be struck down by the courts) such as Hamdi v Rumsfeld which affirmed detainees rights to due process.

  • Timothy Kall

    the military will not do this. It will be an unconstitutional act as the Federal Government cannot even order the military to put down a riot WITHOUT the state’s consent. It cannot happen in the United States of America. Unless of course the Constitution is changed. More media hyperwrite.

  • Larry Craig

    How could anyone come up with something like this? I guess I’ve been under a rock too long.
    I think parts of our Gov are against us.

  • Larry G

    Sure no problem. Then Martial Law. Then suspend the elections for ‘the good of the KINGDOM’. This is just nucking futs!

  • dallas wolff

    Obama wants this power to protect himself as he hears all of us out here who want his hide and Soro’s as well. I personally want to see Obama and Soro’s tried for treason against the US.
    If found guilty to hang them by the neck. I will furnish the rope so it doesnt cost the taxpayers anything. All others presently in government such as John McCain, Kerry, Durbin, Schumer, Pelosi, Graham, Boehner, Boxer, and many more who are supporting Obama’s movement to destroy America all need to be locked up and all the wealth they have stolen put back into the treasury.
    If by chance those morons in power were to pass such a bill, there will be blood in the streets all across the US. That bill contradicts our constitution, therefore any politician voting for it is breaking there oath of office and could be charged with treason.

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    I said this for 25 years we need to oil up our guns and be ready to exersise our 2nd Amendment right when this Government begins to do what it is doing, our Founding Fathers saw this comming and that is why they gave Americans this right to bare arms so Government couldn’t do this to its citizens, both parties have sold us out. If you want to learn about what is really happenning then go to “alexjones.com” enter sjemt1 enter a16320471 and listen to thousands of hours of information that you will never hear from anyone else.

  • RINO HUNTER

    The V.C must have done one hell of a brainwashing on McCain while he was there to make him come home and sell us out like this. And Lindsay Graham? He must still be pissed on account of his folks giving him a girls name.

  • JERRY

    This Violates Our Constitution BIG TIME. It is Time to Throw them ALL out. WE need to Vote EVERYONE that is IN right now OUT. That will send a Big Message. Then it will be a start.

  • bill

    This is a complete lie- I read the law the Senate is voting on and found that in Section 1032
    REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY
    ITEM B
    SECTION
    1 US CITIZENS -LAW DOES NOT EXTENT TO US CITIZENS
    2 LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS-DOES NOT EXTENT TO LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS IN THE US.
    I don’t know who is passing thie eronious information but people we need to research these things before we jump to conclusions like I did in the beginning.

    • Terry

      Bill… you point out just one more example of how many people read no further than the sensationalized headline before jumping on the bandwagon. That’s why most people, when engaged in political discussion, spout nothing but talking points, instead of substance. And look where it’s gotten us.

    • Old Sarge

      Bill:
      Like me, you must have done your own research. I have also read this bill and found the same things you did. I still don’t like it and I plan to contact my people in Washington to voice that. Terry is also spot on in his comments. It is obvious that many of the comments in here have come from people who have gone off half cocked and talk about getting their guns ready and stocking up on ammunition. Unfortunately, there are also those in the right wing media that will use the lie of omission to sensationalize their points. William Randolph Hurst said it a long time ago, “Good news doesn’t sell papers.” I recommend that all of you Google a copy of this bill and check it our for yourselves. Start with Subsections 1031 and 1032.

      Here is the text of 1031:

      “(a) IN GENERAL.—Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.”

      And section 1032, subsection (b)(1):

      “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

      subsection (b)(2):

      The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.”

      As I have said many times in the past, don’t just take my word for it. Exercise that four letter word “WORK” and do your own research. Also use a little vigilance and keep monitoring to make sure that no one sneaks in something to remove those two subsections from the bill. Then you can go ahead and contact your people in in Washington with knowledgeable comments and they will pay more attention to you.

  • tod

    100% Unconstitional,PERIOD !

  • Kay

    This is an old trick that Hitler and Stalin used. Anybody getting scared yet ? Get your rice and beans stored up.

  • http://skyvolts.com ProfChuck

    When asked “What have you given us?” Benjamin Franklin replied “A republic if you can keep it.” It looks like we have lost it. This is what happens when the majority prefers security to liberty.

  • Scooter

    Remember this, all that it takes for EVIL to triumph is for good men to do nothing, get off of your asses America the demons of the Government are waging war on us 2012 can’t come soon enough!

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  • Dan-o

    What more do we need to establish total tyranny in the US?? This “gov’t” has become a dictatorship, with total disregard for the Constitution!

    Kruschev was right, Russia will be around to bury the American corpse!! (remember when he pounded his shoe on the podium at the U.N. and said “we will bury you!”)?

  • Donald DeHoff

    Some ol’ sage said, “Now is the time for all good men (and yes women) to come to the aid of their country”. This is the proverbal straw that broke the camel’s back. First, demand a list of those, who sponsored this bill, who is supporting it, and who are remaining silent. (this latter group is equally as guilty).—-they all , regardless of party, are very likely in their last term, ever, in public office. I am no lawyer but it would appear to be that the mere sumitting of such a bill borders upon TREASON. If that action is not possible, then each house should refuse to let the offending members set in session. Every citizen, voting and non-voting, should demand the supporters of this bill, THIS YEAR, return to their states and justify their position. And most important, everyone must understand that even though unwanted changes may take place in our form of government, letting those who perpetrated, it must also go. This is not a Republican or Democratic issue, it is America, as we know it to be. Yes, are Republic and Constitutional and freedom form of government is not perfect, it remains the greatest political and social experiment in the history of the entire world. And yes, it can be changed, by the proven method of amending the Constitution. And again yes, it is a clumsey and slow process but that is the foundation of the process. It prevents revelotionary and “willy-nilly” changes from happening and it involves all of the states and most of the people. If each and every one of you out there don’t contact your elected representatives within the next few days, you too could be come part of the problem.

  • Jack

    Don’t forget it is the goal of the New World Order, spawned from the United Nations think tanks and the likes of George Soros. Yes, US troops will be involved but it will probably be a joint UN mission involving troops from other nations being involved….to keep attention off the fact that the troops are oppressing their own.

    We need to take this country back in the 2012 election and consider purging our society. When I say purge, we should ship McCain, Obama, Muslims, and any other anti-constitutionalist out of the country with no chance of return. Globalism is anti-American.

    • Old Sarge

      First they will have to disarm the people. To disarm the people, the ATF will have to go door to door and they don’t have the manpower to do it alone. They will need help and a lot of it. I don’t think they will be able to get that help from a majority of our military or local police either. I still don’t believe that our military would take up arms against fellow Americans. A large amount of our military troops are overseas. If the gun confiscation starts I believe that Obama will leave them stranded overseas. Our real strength is still in our National Guard and Reserve components. Many of them, along with the local police, are also very active members of their communities and I don’t think they would take up arms against their friends, family or neighbors. I also think that relocating them to other states would not work either. I strongly believe that they would go as far as to join their fellow Americans against the gun confiscators. With all the guns in this country, registered or unregistered it would be very difficult to locate them. I am sure the President and his followers are well aware of this and will request help from the United Nations. The UN would gladly send troops from China, Iran and North Korea to name a few and, for the first time since the War of 1812, we would again be fighting foreign troops on our soil. Our, so called, NATO Allies will be unwilling or powerless to help us. It would be a bloodbath. The people who will be kicking down our doors looking for guns will not be American troops.

      • ajfrench

        Don’t be fooled. They’ll engage China’s troops. Why do you think the Southern Border is being left wide open.

  • marg1

    Ha ha ha…what a GREAT idea. Hey liberals, go ahead and give the Republicans a chance to round up all you fleabaggers when the White House is back in their hands.

    Liberals will only see the problem with this when the other party takes control.

    This is a very bad idea and against everything America is about.

  • Robert

    Now we know WHY there are the 78 Fema dention camps! Did you know there are rail spurs going into each one? Can you remember the “Nazi concentration camps?” This is probably why the “North American ground troops” were formed by President Bush. The Democrats have been preparing for this for some time. They finally got a communist president who will go along with it. America is finished.

  • L.E. Liesner

    The primary function of government is national security, but not at the expense of tearing up the Constitution of the United States of America. Truly another usurpation of power by these fools that will not or cannot fulfill their duties of office. Imagine a military so tied up with rules of engagement that they cannot kill the enemy, yet at home they can arrest and hold for an indefinite time American citizens at the whim of a corrupt government. Not a pretty picture is it. The time has come for all those that vote for this travesty of justice to be remove from office, the sooner the better.

  • Sagebrush

    And the next thing after this would be the brown shirts. Waaaaaaay tooooooo much power. Obimbo and his cronies must be stopped, NOW!
    I can see it now. You piss your kid off and he calls a 1-800 # and the military comes to your house and slaps you and your wife in jail for an undetermined amout of time.
    Just like the Nazis.

  • FreedomScribe

    John Mc-Insane should be removed from office and sent to one of those senior citizen housing complexes so that he can live the lifestyle he deserves. And to think that this dope was an American Hero. Looks like that time in the Hanoi Hilton did more damage to his thinking ability than previously thought. But then again, when you consider the fact that he grew up on military/naval bases, attended Annapolis, served in the Navy, and then has spent the last century in Congress, it’s understandable to see how he has absolutely no perspective on what it’s like to be a hard-working “paycheck to paycheck” American. Mc-Insane’s been sucking on the American Taxpayer’s teet since the time he was weaned from his own mother’s. RINO is too good a name for this idiot. Liberal Dems, like the socialist Carl Levin, suck him into their fold like a used car salesman with a shiny lemon, a pinkie ring, and a phony smile. The Senator is a dope with a capital D. Shame on Arizonians who had a chance to vote this stealth Democrat out of office in the last election. And just where is he now on protecting the border? Of one thing I am certain, shortly there will come a day that after this e-mail gets scanned by Big Brother’s Information Highway Arm, the Black Hand of the Facist U.S. Feds (as represented by the military and “justified” by the Patriot Act) will swoop down upon me and those like me faster than a drone strike. There is no place to hide. We can never possess the weaponry to battle these fascists. There is only one way – an orchestrated march on the White House, Congress, and every other Federal Gov’t building in Washington DC and other designations. But we will need at least 50 million strong, if not 100 million. Other than that, Goodbye America.

  • rocco

    This is an answer to the question any one who defies the Government is an Enemy of the people.They want total control over the people and if this passed it will be the end of our basic freedom and the start of ARMAGEDDON! This is the beginning of the New World Order?

  • Bill

    What in the heck is America coming to? This is ludicrous!

  • Gary

    Hello America gone forever under the present administration. This will be the beginning of 1938 Nazi germany under hitler all over again. Only thing is the civilian Germans at that time were not armed as the Americas civilians are now. The bloodshed will be a family thing again as it was in our civil war. So sad no one ever learns from history.

  • ED ED FOUTS

    RIGHT THEY NEED TO ARREST OBAMA AND ALL HIS RADICAL CRIMINAL THUGS
    IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND DEPORT THEM ALL TO FKN ISLAND THATS 300 FEET BUY
    100 FEET AND SEE HOW LONG THE TRASH CAN LIVE.

  • Shavis

    Pass the bill with a 24-hour sunset. Arrest all members who wrote and voted for the bill, including bho, for treason and turn them over to Sheriff Joe. The bill sunsets… problem solved… but we gotta move fast!

  • T-Texas

    Since my comments don’t get posted everyone should go to u-tube and listen to what Obummer confesses to.

  • larry

    in light of the fact that that sack of crap in the white house has already established authority and funding for his private gestapo in the health care bill, this seems like the logical precursor to his sell out to his fellow despots of the u.n. and their trio of sovereignty destroying treaties… with this a–holes track record i can not believe so many clueless kool-aid drinkers scramble to put a face of sanity on his fascist agenda… as soon as anyone raises voice against his precious labor union extortion tactics, or vote buying socialist agenda, the damn towel-head will have them picked up… what some people will accept in exchange for a little chump change…

  • teaman

    Let’s see now, military unfettered powers. So, the Obambulating Manure Spreader, by executive order, commissions his private army, the “Black Panthers” and sends them on their way to terrorize all conservative states. Sounds like a plan to me! From day one, he has wanted his own private army! You better vote for King Obambulating Manure Spreader or else!!!

  • Frank Meyer

    If this somehow passes the Senate, it will not pass the House. However, any Republicans who supports this bill will be subject to attack .
    I suspect that in a civil breakdown of order, the US soldiers will eventually revolt and side with the citizen militas and take down the government and dispose of all thos e responsible for this citizen terrorism. I doubt the militas will bother with trials, just execution of the spot for the traitors.

  • Rich

    Raymond, will you allow your dog to be cloned? I will pay in Gold!!!

  • greatgrannysmith

    I have just purchased a great book, “Throw Them All Out”. We must, before they throw us wherever they want us. Another suggestion, DVD “Soylent Green”.

  • Bruce

    I think a few Senators needs to visit the inside of a prison for awhile for undermining and subverting the Constitution…not to mention breaking the Posse Comitatus Act.

  • Steve

    Americans are dumb sheep. We allow these assholes to do anything they want to us, and we bleat a little while, then go into complacency. We keep voting these same turds back into office time and time again. Americans voted Obama into office (I did NOT), and will vote for him again in 2012. 4 years haven’t been enough for them—they want 4 MORE. I am Independent. I am supporting Newt. Let’s get these monsters out of Washington for once and for ever.

  • bmene

    guns first then freedom,Ovomiit leads the true commie,muslim,and socialist adgenda and America is gone down the drain its time for the 2nd revolution

  • Born in NYS

    Mr Goober Graham of South Carolina is one sick derranged idiot to support this crap

  • http://CONSERVATIVEBITE rich

    WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT?

  • Patrick Duffy

    This is mankind attempting to hang on to control over the earth with human-devised government. Satan is preparing mankind to rebel against God and the 2nd coming of Christ. The Kingdom of God is coming and Christ will be king over all the earth and replace these men. They need this power to crush those who do not submit to their satanic government. The final lesson of history is that “government by the people” is also a failure, as the form of government was never the problem, but a rebellious mankind rejecting the authority of God from the beginning IS the problem! Manking cannot rule himself and the end of all flesh is on the horizon unless God were to intervene and stop it, “no flesh would be saved alive”, as Jesus predicted.

  • Antiliberal

    They can start with the Senate. After that, there would be no need to go after the public.

  • http://facebook pat

    any senators name that appears on this bill should be gone after by the voters…start a campaign against them immediately until they are fired..This is completely unconstitutional and marks the beginning of the end for this country..they are pressing the issues now..testing the water..media is ignoring it..and this bill will be resubmitted till passed..or attached as a Ryder somewhere..then martial law..mark my words

  • http://CONSERVATIVEBITE rich

    DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT OUR OPINIONS COUNT? ITS ALL A DONE DEAL……………………………THE SHEEP ARE HEADED TO SLAUGHTER

  • Ed Diveley

    How does this get around the Posse Comitatis law?

  • David Suckow

    This would be a move that would really make the fictional book, The Usurper (thriller, political intrigue) by Cliff Ball, (Amazon, Kindle books) come to become real.

  • http://CONSERVATIVEBITE rich

    DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT OUR OPINIONS COUNT ANYMORE? WERE JUST ALL SHEEP HEADED TO SLAUGHTER…………JESUS IS LORD

    • repubnut

      GOD BLESS AMERICA— That is our ONLY chance for this Nation to survive !!

  • VegasLarry

    American freedoms are lost! Gestapo tactics have been revived. Next there will be the formation of the SS. Then the government will be disbanded so the powers given to Obama cannot be rescinded. Next, every Obama detractor will end up in a political prisoner camp for as long as it suits Obama. Out of sight , out of mind. How much longer do we, the public that voted Obama and the senate into office, put up with this? If the reader of this is younger that 40, ask your grandparents what it was like.Then I suggest you research the methods Hitler used to come to power. The parallels are shocking! Republicans, Democrats, and all other political parties will soon me declared illegal. Look for another underground movement to form as well. History is repeating right now, people and you stand there with your head buried in the sand. Soon you will be required to shout Sig Heil Obama whenever you are told to.

    • Michael

      The SS is the union leaders!

  • Bones

    Come on people. This is rediculous. I don’t like liberals. I want to see Obama, Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, Schumer, et al out of office AND the United States. However, it will never happen if we keep sending these sensational scare topics. I just read the mentioned portions of the bill and I don’t find the wording refered to by above commenters. If this false sensationalism continues I’ll become an ex-reader.

  • PC

    THIS SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED….BUT….REMEMBER…NEVER FROM THE OUTSIDE ALWAYS FROM WITHIN….UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL…WORDS OF WISDOM…SO QUIT CALL EACH OTHER NAMES AND LETS WORK TO STOP THIS BS…GOD BLESS AMERICA PC

  • gongdark

    Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil,

  • Michael

    Sorry, America voted for change, we are just getting started. It is called Socialism.

  • lonetrader

    Has anyone here actually looked at the bill. It is huge. However, in section 1032, it states that US citizens and authorized lawfull aliens are not included in this law. Section 1032 is requirement for military custody. Section B line 1 states, The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not apply to United States citizens. line 2 This requirement does not appy to lawful resident aliens. So if this is the terminology, then how is the writers statement valid.

    • NEPATRIOTS1

      Once Law, it will be Amended to remove those lines.

      • lonetrader

        Please read the bill and tell me where it states what the claim is. I would like to know.

  • http://wwhiddon2@hotmail.com BW

    Once abolish the God and Government becomes the God….is this not whats happen in USA?

  • Jim Watson

    This is total insane – first Ohio State workers takes children away from parents because the were not names correctly, then they start taking children away from parent because the Ohio State workers think the child is too fat, now they plan to totally violate the Constitution, once again.

  • SageSees

    This attempt is a cause for a Call to Arms!

    All citizens must now march armed to Washington to demand or force the removal of all politicians from office!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ipswich

    When the hullabaloo of the primaries is over, please, please, everyone vote for the
    Republican, whether you personally like the nominee or not. Every vote not cast for the Republican nominee is a vote cast for Obama.

  • Kris

    “The people will not take this!” Bull chit. Look what they are already taking and still they re-elected these fascists! Hussain has already started agenda 21 by executive order! The calls for the murder of 600 million people so the planet can survive! We are being turned into slaves and no one does anything. If the military is lost to us, then indeed we are all marked for death. Hussain’s deathcare bill is to murder off all the seniors and the disabled and now, the military will be free to murder you now. No charges, no warning, taken to an undisclosed location and held for however long they want. Do you think that if you suddenly turn up dead, that anyone would know the real reason, who did it, or if you are dead or alive! The congress is imune from all of this, it is just we the people who will be subjected to this tryanny! All i can say, is saddle up and lock and load!

  • larry

    the government already has sufficient means of restraining those who are legitimate threats to our security, and letting this sack of s–t play fast and loose with posse posse comitatus is pure insanity… next he’d want to arrest me for saying his wife is a fat assed bigoted bitch that only wants to fly around the world on our nickel spreading her sick ass agenda of totalitarian government…

  • Henry

    It is one simple term. Marxism. Just ask the once free people of Venezuela about how Marxism is working for them under Hugo Chavez. Thomas Jefferson stated that a free Republic would last only about 400 years. I guess we were a litte short on reaching that.

  • John J Mollicone

    Time to sell your gold and silver,an buy the only metal that will save this country……..LEAD!!
    wake-up America ! Semper Fi, Keep your powder dry!!!!

  • http://wwhiddon2@hotmail.com BW

    Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction…think whats taking place in the World today.

  • Jacqueline L

    So, now they want to alter Our Constitution without going through the process of amendment! They want the rights of a Totalitarian Government while taking away the rights of fair and speedy right to trial. This would go hand in hand with infringement of the right to Free Speech and the Right to Bear Arms!
    EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCHES OF OUR GOVERNMENT
    WHO AGREE WITH THIS ACT OF TYRANNY SHOULD FACE THE MODERN EQUIVALENT OF THE LIBERTY TREE!
    Passage of such a bill should be considered a Call To Arms. 1776 is not just a number, it represents a promise of Free and Independent Citizens. We will not give up our rights without a fight.

    • Doris Armstrong

      this is a very true statement – circumvent the constitution. We have already done this in little nibbles – like ignore the requirements for a person to run for and become the President of the US. Remember the goal of those in power is to “fundamental change America. The constitution is “fundamental” to America

  • John Acord

    This is another assault by the stealth Communist John McCain (AKA “The War Hero”) on basic American liberties. He, Hussein, and the rest of their Bolshevik buddies should be the first arrested for crimes against the People of the USA.

    • Doris Armstrong

      Have you noticed that the “American War Hero” has introduced a bill to raise the cost of medical care for retires of the military. Maybe that will work out for him, since he has a officers military retirement – markedly higher than enlisten- as well as a job that gives unnumbered benifits and another retirement at the expense of the people. How much does he have to do toward distroying this country to make up for his battle wound? Don’t get me wrong! I have the greatest respect for those who served our country, but not if they come home and set about distroying the same country!

  • Dman

    All part of the Agenda 21 protocols….dismantle the constitution and destroying the sovereignty by fiat.Allow removal of its citizens and nabbing great lots of land…to turn over to the enviro wackos behind the UN putsch for one communist world government.

  • art watt

    Sen. Graham is a traitor what is his problem he must be kin to Obama

  • Chris

    How about the senate dropping this bill and actually passing a budget as they were supposed to do for about the last 4 or 5 years or so? They focus on everything but the actual job they’d were elected and are paid to do.

  • zeke69

    A little research is always a good idea these days regardless of the source.

    SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

    (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United
    States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

  • Bob Bosh

    I say everyone who has commented on this post needs tyo call their congress critter and tell them you oppose this legislation. 2012 is too late. We need to be proactive NOW!! Lets not just “comment” about it” Lets DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!

  • Colt Lane

    Insane, no gov on earth has ever been that crazy. The only way to extricate from a problem, is to exterminate the problem.

  • JackK

    Where is the outrage by the American people? Where is our voice? Who is and will be the defender of the constitution? Please people, someone, anyone, all of us step up ,call your representative and complain,argue,protest against this or our freedoms,liberties.happiness will be all taken from us without a shot being fired. Where is the media in this?

  • Doc

    Someone need to arrest Obama & all the Czars, Obama’s cabinet & Obama’s family, 3/4 of the
    Democrats in Senate & House and 1/2 the Republicans, & get rid or Graham, the grinning
    possum like Carter was. Snakes in the Grass. I served my country and gave many years for
    freedom, and we are not the enemy, foreign or domestic. Obama is the enemy and looks like
    our govt., is turning that way also. HITLER did in Germany, we are not going down that road,
    so ALL with a love for America and freedom it is time to get up and take action.
    It will be hard for me to accept that our own Military will be used for this. There will be a lot of soldiers killed if they do. You don’t take away our freedom because of OBAMA & his appearing to issue Marshall Law. Be there done that in other countries. NOT HERE.
    Take AMERICA back asap, and stop the fraud, Acorn, and other things that OBAMA will
    try to use to fix the elections, buying, voting numerous time etc..

    • SageSees

      I agree ASAP!!!!

  • uscreek

    For some reason; Gestapo, SS, and KGB come to mind.

  • Terry

    After reading all 300 comments here, I estimate that no less than 98% of the posters did not bother to read the bill before responding, thereby allowing conservativebyte.com to suck them in with this one.
    If you care to be informed, go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/mrge8/did_anyone_even_bother_to_read_s_1867_subsections/
    or here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112zvyyN7:e464889:
    If you prefer being blind, keep on truckin’.

    • Doris Armstrong

      OF course this bill doesn’t completly do away with the constitution. Just set up for the process to move forward. Drop this line today, and after a while the bill will mean what the powers that now be will have what they want! I am glad The God of the universe is in supreme control!

    • my two cents

      Always confirm what you are reading, this article is wrong. NDAA, Sec 1031 is not changed and sec 1032 does apply to US Citizens or even Lawful Resident Aliens.

  • mesaman

    THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE END IS NIGH! THE END IS NIGH!
    TURN OFF THE LIGHT IF YOU’RE THE LAST ONE ALIVE.

  • Robert M

    I have an idea, actually several ideas. Let’s give women the vote and then elect them to public office. Oh, you already did that. Well how about a U.S. Mercenary Force, an all volunteer military that will travel the glove making people free – like us? Oh you already did that too. Okay, okay this is it , let’s give everyone in the country a guaranteed minimum wage, free health care, food stamps, and a monthly pay check if they can’t find a job. CHANGE, yup that’s always the answer, isn’t it?

  • http://Conservativebyte Mariana

    When & how did S1867 get through the House? Why is this already in the Senate?

    • Terry

      The bill originated in the Senate. That’s what the “S” means in the number S.1867.

  • Leslie

    Are you totally out of your mind.

    America is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

    We need to continue to pray for Our Country because we are in trouble.

  • Kenyon Shultz

    It is obvious to me that the Democrats haven’t read the terms of their contract. Need house approval before the senators can stick their noses into the fray. The US constitution, which they obviously haven’t read, (contract sworn to) gives them clear and unalterable directions in this matter. However, with a fanatic, foreign born muslim in the WH, the constitution is out and condemnation of our nation is in. When the second amendment goes, say good-by to America. With out a total political revolution, we are dead……. VN VET and an American citizen, to the end……………

  • Doris Armstrong

    Is it time for the Tea Party and conservatives to “occupy”, completely blocking congress from their meeting place until after the election? The Senate drops or trashes every move the House makes and only brings up socialist agenda bills. This may be the most drastic yet! Worse than ObamaCareLess!

  • john elliott

    UNCONSTITUTIONAL end of discussion. It seems this is not so unusual. We have a lot of liberal federal judges saying the constitution has no place in their courtrooms. I n my opinion this is treason. Those of us that served in the military took an oath to defend the people and constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. This was to ensure that the constitution that is the basis for all law in this so called republic would remain in effect. This particular bill would give the government total control. Any resistance would would be a felony. Such a law would force people to decide live as a slave in fear or die a free person. Until we the people rise
    up and throw out these idiots in power this will continue. Free men are armed men Thomas Jefferson believed it was essential that the people remain armed to defend themselves if the government he helped create became tyrannical. Of course in his time the government did not have better weapons than the people. The reason for limiting the type of weapons the people own is to ensure the government has better weapons. The advantage is the people outnumber the government. The peaceful demonstrations of the TEA party caused heartburn and teeth chattering in the ranks of the regulate and tax more world of the potomic it is time more of us took to the streets and peacefully raise hell. Politcians like diapers should be changed often and for the same reason. Lightcrosser

  • Tom

    As a veteran I support our military, and as a law abiding citizen I would not stand for it, but it will be a cold day in h3ll before they try to arrest me, I personally, would have to fight back.

  • Jon

    I would think that there is something in the Constitution that say’s that the Military Can not be Used against Americans on AMERICAN SOIL!
    This would be an ACT OF TREASON! And Reason for the American People to Rise up and take BACK OUR COUNTRY!

  • James Fontana

    Another step in Obama way to become dictator. Some may laugh and say I’m crazy but this man has the desire to rule this country with the power of a dictator as Hitler did in Germany who happens to be Obamas hero.

  • fish

    And you thought the Fema Death Camps were BS.

  • Stephen

    Everyone realizes that this would result in a civil war, right? And it would be a civil war hat would make the Civil War look like a Sunday School picnic, by comparison. Millions would die, millions more would be imprisoned.

    I’ve had a good life. I enjoyed the privileges that went with living in the most exceptional nation on earth. I will join the fight against the government, if it comes to that.

    And when are the people of South Carolina going to kick Lindsey Graham to the curb? …

  • JohnJ925

    obama & Co. have attempted to turn America into a socialest country since the day they took office.”We the people” need to remove all that fail to properly do “the peoples work”.RINOs like Sen.Graham & most of the Dam O Rats need to GO! ! We need to limite their time in office & reduce their pay,plus remove pansions from those who “serve”.WE ALL MUST VOTE in EVERY ELECTION!!!!

  • Give me FREEDOM or give me death

    This B S is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!
    The militia is for defending OUR country against FOREIGN assailants, NOT American Patriotic Citizens.
    odictator promised to raise a private army (under his control), but with his 2012 defeat he thinks he’ll just use the American militia to squelch the American uprising against him and his useful idiot denizens (most politicians in DC) to stay in power and and then he’ll declare marshal law and it will be obvious to everyone what he is and America the FREE is lost!!

    We MUST do something about this power grab before it’s too late.

    As it states in our Constitution (paraphrased and abridged):
    ‘When a people are oppressed by a dictatorial government (at this time ours) we must defend ourself by taking up arms against it and remove it for liberty to prevail again!’

    LET FREEDOM RING …

  • MickeyMike2

    I can’t believe that a Republican would support such a bill. Then, again, is Graham really a Republican. Except for what we’ve seen lately, I’d almost believe that this was aimed at enemy combatents who somehow got into the United States. Now I have to think that the Ruling Class simply wants to prevent anyone from disagreeing with the government.

  • Dalgast

    A simple warning to politicians, Not all of American’s are brain dead, you sign this and you sign your own death warrant.

  • http://annie Anna Rogelstad

    It won’t do much good to rant here. We must call, write, e-mail and/or fax each of our congressmen/women (that is the house and senate) to vote a resounding NO to this bill.

    Then, if we are “allowed” to have an election in 2012, vote them all out,,…. start fresh!!!!!

  • erdrod

    It’s time to IMPEACH this clown who wants to be a dictator and vote out the whole Congress. This is the final step before the Government removes all our rights. The MILITARY should remember that the OATH we took when we became soldiers was the “PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” not the assholes in congress or the asshole in the precidency.

  • Helen Jenkins

    This attempt to usurp absolute power bears out Machiavelli’s, “Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.” However, there is no need to cringe in fear. Quite the opposite. This is desperation on public exhibit! WE THE PEOPLE still have the power! There are 535 hundred of them as opposed to 300 million + of us! If 100% voted for this absurdity we would still have the majority! Remember, Thomas Jefferson said, ” One man of courage is a majority!” 100% never votes on anything! But, take this as a heads/thumbs up on the mindset of those corrupt politicians and the terror they feel as they realize power is slipping away and their impotence in ability to stop it. What that revelation tells WE THE PEOPLE is that the time is now to begin to put the pieces of TAKE BACK/RESTORE AMERICA in place. This must begin at the local level and work through State to Federal. It is time to CLEAN HOUSE and SENATE!!! Remember, there is no need to love a politician unless you are related by blood or through marriage- divorces do occur! ALL incumbents must be voted out of office. Term limits must be imposed by the VOTER, not necessarily by Constitutional Amendment- vote House of Representatives out after 1 term- if they show weakness or tendency towards corruptibility – or 3 tops. Senators should spend 1 term (six years) no more! State Constitutions must have provisions for nullification, recall, impeachment. This is the time to plan and prepare for TAKE BACK/RESTORE AMERICA. Desperation by terrified Congress is providing the voters with all the proof they need as to the dictatorial degree they are willing to go to maintain power at all costs. God holds America in the palm of his hand. America will survive. America’s enemies will not! Keep the faith and the conversation going.

    • Dave

      He is often misquoted most people forget, tends to.

  • kodster5

    Well, guys, get ready for Martial Law to be instituted. This is the first step that allows Obama to declare it, and get elections suspended, so he will become a dictator of the USA. I warned you!

  • Iron Angel

    Are they getting ready or 2012?

  • Jackee Cepeda

    Here is the link to the actual document.
    It doesn’t appear to apply to U.S. Citizens, but you can determine that for yourselves.

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf
    If using Adobe Acrobat it’s on page 359.

  • nutz2u2

    When I saw that Lindsey (“the wussie”) Graham was for this stupidity, I knew that anybody with any common sense was in trouble. The people of South Carolina must be very proud of this perfect example of a RINO.

  • dave CS

    I have only one word…..BASTARDS!!!!

  • LJWB

    I think that the Congress had better read the Constitution again….

  • Bob

    I was never too hot about Gingrich to begin with, but when I learned he favored banning guns I cared even less for him, we have that kind in Washington now starting at the top.

  • Dan

    Seems D.C. wants all the power. We have a lot of Muslims in this country, citizen and noncitizen. Remember many of these power whores in D.C want the authority to arrest Muslim combatants and read them their Miranda Rights? I wonder if they will afford citizenry the same Rights. People better get ready for a police state. I believe it’s another step towards Marshal Law so The Idiot-In-Chief can stay in power at election time. Be prepared for anything Comrades!

  • Alto

    Kenneth Green, where have you been? Don’t you know that the Dems do not recognize anything as being illegal or unconstitutional? They do as they please. The latest revelation of Congress: the use of insider information to make themselves “fat cats.” I am shocked to learn that Lindsey Graham supports this military movement. I suppose he is as insane as the remainder of them. One should be careful about criticism of this bill because they might come and arrest you. They do not have to have a reason for the arrest. We need to keep Tim Kaine out of the Senate in the next election. We had too much of him when he was Governor. Now that he has gone, Virginia is back on track and will vote Republican for Senate and the President. Virginians who voted for Obama now realize their mistake and will correct that in the next election–if Obama allows the election to be held.

  • http://cdennish@roadrunner.com wharfrat

    The first people to be arrested needs to be Harry Reed and his band of thugs in the Senate,then the President and his other band of thugs and then the Ameican people will here a lot of screaming and then the law they wanted will vanish,this is completely against the law and the Constiution and Harry reed knows it,he’s showing his true colors and hopefully the people of Navada will wake up and vote him out of office,he’s one of the worst American “leaders”we’ve ever had,anything bad for America he’s for,he’s a typical Democrat.

  • fredro

    This would be just the ticket to giving obummer a free ride in the next election. Declare martial law and assume the throne of these United States unchallenged.
    Call your congressman NOW!!!

  • http://townshipnews.org FRANK TREJO

    We have been communized a long time. Our government has been taken over by the Communist Party; used to be known as the Democratic Party. The Republicans are controlled by establishment people. The answer is term limits. We don’t need an amendment – all we need is the vote. We must find a way to make it a rallying cry – TERM LIMITS? YOUR VOTE! President Pinocchio and the powers are looking for an excuse to declare martial law. We may not make it to Nov. 2012, if not you better arm your home and try to get out of debt. The communist led unions are beginning to encourage civil unrest and their quarterback is President Pinocchio. We’ve lost our government let’s fight to keep our country.

    Frank Trejo – Phoenix Arizona

  • Carol Ann

    A statement was said in Stephen King’s book, The Stand – This is hell and we are in it

  • Karen L Antley

    Obama will just make an executive order to replace it, if it’s shot down. He is not there to help the USA in any way shape or form. He is there to replace our Gov. with a military style control.
    How about setting up a petition to repeal the Press’s powers for not doing their job of keeping us apprised of all the situations that brought us to this terrible place. We should have known what was happening with the communist infiltration of the Demorcatic party, and we should have known the Progressive Republicans before they were installed. Repeal their Powers!

  • Chris Lyman

    I think this is something that should become before the voters. We do have opioions. And this one affects every single one of us. Government is taking to much power us. This suppose to be a free country. They can’t let that bill pass. It would be awful if it did.

  • Spyder dalton

    Public officials getting away with murder.
    Head of the justice dept committing crimes.
    Take away our guns.
    Fraudulent elections.
    Can’t arrest illegals.
    Allow us to be arrested without charge…
    A commie in the white house….
    Easy to see where we are headed

  • traitors in gov

    They think we are stupid…. It is time to take our country back in any way necessary..

    It is clear that all anyone in DC wants is power over us, instead of working for us to make the USA a better place to live…

    THIS IS OUR COUNTRY.. IT IS TIME FOR THESE SO-CALLED REPUKES….

  • dem hater

    WE THE PEOPLE SHALL HAVE A “RECALL” ON HARRY REID AND BARACK OBAMA
    IF THEY PASS THIS INTO LAW!!!!!!!

    THIS IS IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES…
    PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS………

  • http://yahoomail Tom Gill

    Please excuse my spelling.This act is in DIREST violation of the Constitution!!!!!Remember “posse comititus”?That means that the military SHALL NOT be used against the American citizens!The government has declared war on us.TO ARMS!!TO ARMS!! It would seem this is a step towards marshall law,and the subjegation of the people…It is a direct act of treason….Are you going to stop whining about it,or do as our founders did and stand up againdt this tyranny?

  • Joseph K

    Insanity. The next steps will be to confiscate all firearms and make this country a kingdom run by an insane king who is run by an insane, rich Hungarian. Time for the People to have another Revolution, because the government we have no longer serves the People, but rather expects them to act like subjects.

  • Josef

    Why don’t just take all our rights away from us!!!!!!

  • BobG_of_Iowa

    Looks like “Buckwheat” is planning to declare martial law if he doesn’t win reelection. I hope Congress remembers that there are over 200 million or more veterans out here, who won’t stand for it!

    • Richard Vandervort

      What’s sad is that I’ve been telling people for over a year the Obama and company have been setting the stage for Martial Law but no one wanted to believe it could be ever done in this country.
      If Americans don’t awaken quick there will no longer be a Free America to fight for.
      There’s no free country to run to so you better be ready to fight for this one!

  • Richard Vandervort

    Obama, Our is the start of our true first Dictatorship.
    The one thing that can bring the fall to these communist liberals is not a violent revolution but a peaceful one. A simple complete work stoppage throughout every aspects of what keeps this country moving. If gas stations closed, Trucks stopped, If stores didn’t open, If labors didn’t show up to work with one common demand that the Administration all stepped down from top to bottom, Democrat and republican.
    We the people have a far greater power then most realize and it could be done in days with unity.
    Once the power of the people take control we can and should re-in-state politicians by their work records and ethic’s which is all easily looked up.
    We can have a free nation with no violence needed yet keeping that option as a last resort.

    • Karen L Antley

      Respectfully, I have an idea that can do the same thing, without hurting anyone’s community, family, or the many businesses that support our different lifestyles. It’s simple, but I can guarantee the outcome. Vote. Not just once but every time. If there is not much going on in the way of candidates, that is definitely the time we are losing more rights than are normal on the docket. Our response shouldn’t reflect our level of anger, just our resolve. If we are willing to go out and cause civil disobedience, couldn’t we consider that great an effort towards researching, and supporting a civilian much braver than I, all the way to a position that would bring the change about in an “American Way”? The TEA Party, as well as other conservative groups set a stunning example in the right direction. So much so, that they are targeted by the communist/socialist groups. It’s best we ALL research our candidates well. And do your civil duty by voting, responsibly.
      They want a negative mass reaction to install their military style Government.

  • Carl

    This is to much power even for this country to have and especially for that idiot Obama and any others in the government to have period

  • my two cents

    Everyone please read S.1387…..I do not see any supporting information for this article to make their statements. Quite the opposite, as I read S.1387, it does not amend NDAA section 1031 and section 1032 says it does not apply to US citizens or even Lawful Resident Aliens (as reproduced below.) So what supporting information is being used? Because S.1387 says the opposite of what is said in the article.
    1032 reads:
    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    • SteveB

      Isn’t it S.1867?

  • Madassirishman

    azzwholes playing into OBIDIOT’s and Hillary’s hands, if this passes there will be no more private gun ownership , no more NRA, no more chit at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • SteveB

    Funny how we haven’t heard about this until the day of the vote. Once again I ask all of you; have you called your senator (Nope; won’t capitalize it until they act like Senators) and your congressman/woman? Until we rise up and threaten to take their seats away they will continue to do whatever they please. At least until we are all called to the battlefield.

  • http://yahoomail Tom Gill

    The time has come.It is now the time to choose sides,liberty or tyranny?Freedom or serfdom?The government has already ignored the Constitution,with the Patriot act,no knock laws,illegal search and siezure,illegal eavesdropping,spying on us.Our police departments have become thugs who bully the people,and the courts go along.The house of represenetives is a sham,they are just as guilty.The Republicans are scared of thier own shadow and only worry about being re-elected so that they can ride the gravy train.Not only does the whole world laugh at us,but so do our own elected officials

  • http://yahoomail Tom Gill

    Why do you think Hillary,Odumbo,Reid,Pelosi,Graham,and all the rest of them,want to take your guns?Jefferson argued that the citizens should be able to protect themselves from our own government

  • Kathy

    The next thing on the chopping block? Freedoms for women AND the start of HONOR killings against one’s wife. This is deafening…all the junk that American Democrats are voting for. I hope one day all Demos will see what crazies they vote in and see in them a “change of heart” if it’s not too late by then.

  • Marty fee

    This is not unexpected. Better stock up on large caliber weapons and ammo

  • dwight

    no this is not insain this is revelations the end total power

  • john glaeser

    This kind of legislation will definitely bring on a revolt of the people of the US…those dirt-bags

    in Washington will push the people (sane ones) over the edge and it’s coming sooooooon! !

  • Donald DeHoff

    I made a previous comment, based soley upon what the article said. I (as all too many others also did). engaged my mouth before putting my brain in gear. Subsequent simple research with “Google”, reveals the article was gossly wrong and subsequently most of the comments. Section 1867 does not advocate or authorize such unconstitutional acts. I apologise for my comments which would have applied only to the stated premise. This is such an obviou editorial matter that I beleive an apology is in order, by the writer and the editors. If none is forthcoming, I suspect “they” both are part of an attempt to drag still another “red herring across the trail”, to take our focus of the real issues at hand. Writer and Editor, may we hear from you so this issue can be put to rest? I do think it was needed to designate the entire U.S. as a war zone. There is much settled law on many of the issues but it is so complicated that it is above my pay grade and educational level–it is good that “Google” is at our finger tips. Commenters, many of us goofed, do your home work and obtain more than one verification of that upon which you comment. Our “wrong” position presented to the internet public could do great harm.

  • The Truth

    Doesn’t shock me that Lindsey Graham supports it either. He is no better than McCain the traitors. We need term limits!

  • SteveB

    Since this was written in secret by people like McCain I wanted to see for myself what this bill included and did. First note this from 1032: “(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.”
    I’m pretty sure that means everything they put is writing can be “waived” so we have no rights applicable herein.
    That means that the following: “(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.” is essentially invalid.
    What’s the truth? Simple. We can’t trust any of the bastards in the Senate or most in the House. Especially RINOS like McCain and his Democratic cohorts.
    Read the bill. Call your Senator. Call your congressman. Or go back to the couch and accept the demise of the United States.

  • JJ

    Military Law here we come,,, and of course our current King Blowbama is going to love this. More power to the king !!!!!

  • Dave

    Tom Clancy had the answer for fixing Congress in one of his books many years ago. Doing it, however, would be a very bad thing.

  • JUMPBOY

    THIS IS THE LOUDEST WAKEUP CALL I’VE EVER HEARD.

  • GDC

    That would be the end of the Constitution.

    All of those that vote for this should be impeached, prosecuted and EXECUTED for treason.

  • RLM357

    What happened to Posse Comitatus? Where the Military cannot be used in that fashion? All this was predicted! This is Communism! Vote for a Constitutionalist like Ron Paul or someone who believes as he does. This is an Anti 2nd Amendement buch that we have elected to power whether it was by a honest Vote or not we may never know for sure. They oppose the TEA PARTY because we know what their intentions are in D.C. The Communist (Progressive Democrats ala SOCIALISTS, Liberal Party) are alive and controlling the OWS nonsense. The Comm Party USA marches with the OWS orchestrated movement, to the tune played by George SOROS ! ~Rick Magee, FL

  • Military man

    This is one of those bad laws that military personnel can and should ignore. Just like the “Code Red” in the Tom Cruise movie, “A Few Good Men.” The only other way, is to have commanders execute soldiers who do not obey an unjust order. Then we have a repeat of Nazi history. The only differences would be: we citizens might be armed “in our own back yards” and, many of us would fight back, most likely getting ourselves killed and being forced to take the life of an American soldier or two during the gun battle. That would be a tragedy.

  • Ernie

    These links are a few years old but it’s still going on today.

    The Militarization and Annexation of North America
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6359

    Plan Mexico: Plan Colombia Heads for Mexico
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9084

    Merida Initiative
    http://insightcrime.org/security-police/merida-initiative/item/125-merida-initiative

  • Paul Betz

    We do need to replace every one in congress who has served two terms. However, this is America and we will, as a people, return( in our gerrymandered districts) return 90% of the same congress to Washington, elect some clown we really know nothing about to the presidency, and the train will continue to hurtle down the path to destruction, totally out of control. George Sporos pulls the strings in this country, not us and he loves where this train is headed!!

  • Michael S.

    Want this stopped? Vote for Ron Paul.

  • http://www.columbineconcessions.com Peggy

    People, don’t you realize what is happening? Don’t you see that they (house, senate and potus) are trying to push us into an uprising? Then Martial Law will be declared and “No Election” and everyone will stay where they are – no cleaning house and senate and no new potus. If they do pass this bill – wouldn’t it be awesome if the Military would arrest the potus and mrs. potus, vp and all the radicals in the house and senate? I have a very vivid imagination and this would be an awesome thing!!!

    • Military man

      That would be “awesome.” And, the right thing to do.

  • R. C.

    This is just another way for the LIBERAL LEFT WING SOCIALIST Democrats (RATS ) to take control of every one and every thing. Time for this carnage to stop. If it means impechment of the pesron who sits now in the white hosue, FINE AND DANDY, lets do it. Then we can get back to what our contry is all about. This would also get rid of the ” THUGS ” called Occupy Wall Street (OWS).

  • Stephen

    What worries me the most is the abrogation of posse comitatus. In Illinois … the only state where concealed carry does not exist … every gun owner has a FOID (Firearm Owner’s Identification), which is administered by the State Police. Note that if you move, you must inform the State Police within 30 days, or be in violation of the law.

    Theoretically, in some sort of crisis situation in law enforcement, those gun owners could be called upon by the police to help in a manhunt, or some other situation (Iused to work in Chicago in security management, and had a “tan card” to be armed, and was once called upon by the CPD to help at Cabrini Green, under posse comitatus). The wording of the Senate Bill would do away with posse comitatus, and make the military a law enforcement agency.

    No posse comitatus, the miltary doing law enforcement, in addition to state, county, and local law enforcement …. who needs gun owners? Do you see where this is going? When do they come after our Second Amendment rights, and then, our guns?

    As a veteran of the Vietnam War … I was a sniper … I will fight, rather than give up my Constitutionally-guaranteed, God-given, blood-bought rights. I will likely perish, in the ensuing struggle. But then, I DID volunteer for Vietnam, didn’t I? …

  • Byrrni

    We have seen, in the past three years, what one power-hungry President, and his minions, can do to trample on the Constitution. I certainly hope that the rest of Congress is not so corrupt as to think American Citizens should have their rights suspended at the whim of the military!

  • http://yahoomail Tom Gill

    C’mon boys,they are picking a fight with us.I spent 21 months in combat in a political war that gained us nothing but 60 thousand dead.I am sure as hell ready,willing and able to fight to my death for country,our freedoms and our way of life.Like many of you,you took an oath to preserve ,protect and defend the Constitution from ALL ENEMIES<FORIEGN AND DOMESTIC!!Bring it on!!

    • Stephen

      God bless, Tom

      Stephen
      2/501/101st 1968-69

  • Mr. Paperballot Jr.

    Maybe Hank williams Jr. was not so far off ! I say bring him back with an appolagy by the ones that fired him for just speaking his mind ! To get away with arresting US people in their own backyards, they will have to do it one by one. It will be known when this happens. I could only guess what goes on in the mind of our soldiers minds with an order like that ? So if Obama don’t like the tea party rally , then he can do something about it . Wierd, totally wierd ! Hank come back to Football !

  • Jeff

    If the police come to arrest me, I will help them put the handcuffs on.
    If the military comes to arrest me, they will have to kill me!

  • Free American ( for now)

    This is the same tactic that hugo chavez is using in venezuela and it proves that we are rapidly becoming a dictatorship.

  • Jeff

    Thanks for helping me make up my mind!

    Slugs or buckshot? I think I’ll get slugs this time!

  • Cynthia

    We have a Constitution that guards against unlawful searches AND seizures! You know the ridiculous bill will easily pass the Senate since it’s run by a bunch of Obama drones! I’m sure it will get stuck in the House and, hopefully, shredded in a paper shredder!! Our military is paid with our tax dollars to protect our country, not to arrest and detain U.S. citizens without cause or trial!!

    • Stephen

      Cynthia, this is my hope and prayer. The House is our only hope of turning the cities and fields of America into Syria.

  • Richard

    Have they all lost their minds ??? What the hell are you doing letting U. S. Military troops come in and arrest U.S. citizens, no way they just can’t do that. If any one needs to be arrested is ALL of the muslims so they can be sent back to there own country.

  • C22

    The disparity of this bill (S.1387 Sec. 1032) is hidden in the waiver (4) shown below. The Sec. of Homeland Security could easily obtain this doomsday waiver.

    SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

    (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

    (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
    (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

    • lonetrader

      Why did you not put B in with A. It states the US citizens are exempt from this. That the law does not appy to US citizens. This whole article is fabricated BS.

      • uwho

        Who does this law apply to?

      • Steve

        Many laws, this one included are written with loopholes that allow the Executive Branch to bypass Congress. See the comment from SteveB above. All the Executive Branch (i.e. the stooges who work for the head stooge — the “President”) simply have to “inform” Congress that this is needed. If this were an honestly written bill it would have very clear provisions for Congressional and even Judicial Oversight, but this language is just blatant.

        If you disagree just lie down and go back to sleep. The 11 o’clock newsertainment programs will tell you what they need you to know.

  • marv Carman

    Maybe we should vote for congressperson, senators, and president a year in advance to double check the person background and if civil uprising the elected will take over their job for which they are elected. We need to make sure he is qualified and vetted before taking over. Obama is an illegal fraud POTUS and we need to get him out of our HOUSE.

  • http://www.liberty-in-our-time.com Rocky Frisco

    My Senator’s office says there is a provision in this bill that says it DOES NOT apply to US citizens.

    • lonetrader

      He is correct. The next line in the bill states this.

  • http://aol.com chris Ross

    What next. This has to be stopped. It sounds like HITLER in the making. To control the people.

  • DoctorBob

    Hell, NO! Absolutely, NO! This can not be allowed to pass! It throws wide open the doors to Totalitarian Dictatorship, and strips us of ALL our Constitutional rights! There are restrictions and limits against government for a REASON! Very wise men put them in there because they knew that one day a would-be dictator would come along. Guess what? We’ve got one in the White House right this minute! Stop this insanity!

  • SageSees

    The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA bill.

    This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. Given that the Department of Homeland Security has characterized behavior such as buying gold, owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of mundane behaviors as potential indicators of domestic terrorism, such a provision would be wide open to abuse.

    • lonetrader

      Why don’t you read the bill. It does not state that.

      • SageSees

        All that is needed is an accusation by a credible source that a U.S. citizen is a terrorist!

        You are a fool to believe Andrew L. Stern (the actual President of the United States) would not have one of his goons (like Kathleen Sibelius, HHS Secretary (Stern’s personal assistant)) accuse you of being a terrorist with proof!

  • GrumpyOleMan

    It’s this kind of unconstitutional actions of the Dummycrats (Remember Prince Harry Reid is still the Senate Majority Leader which is controlled by Democrats.) This same bunch of clowns have failed in their Constitutional DUTY to have an annual budget for the last three years in a row!

    The Democrats don’t “fix” problems. They create problems! And it’s about damn time the new media started doing their jobs and reporting on this crap too!

  • Pat

    This is getting rediculous. Now the senate is declaring war on the American people. I hope the all get voted out at least the ones up for re election.

  • Capt Gene

    It is IMPERATIVE everyone contacts their senate delegation IMMEDIATELY and urge them to vote against this provision. This is what I sent off just minutes ago:

    Dear Senator ,
    I have read with dismay the Senate is voting on S. 1867 with “The Worldwide Indefinite Detention Without Charge or Trial Provision”. This is truly a frightening provision and must not be allowed to become law. The potential for abuse runs beyond imagination. Please vote NO on S. 1867.

    With kindest regards,

    • Paul Trombley

      Did you read the bill, which is sponsored by Carl Levin? Probably not, which would give you something in common with some of the criminals in Congress. In your defense, the bill is a mile long.

      Anyhow, give the title and section where the alleged “worldwide indefinite detention” clause is.

    • Paul Trombley

      S. 1867: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN01867 :| /bss/|

      S.AMDT.1179: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:15:./temp/~bdTmfN::|/bss/|

      Sponsor: Lindsay Graham (S. Carolina)
      Cosponsor: Bill Nelson (Florida)

  • mitzi

    DOES NOT APPLY TO U.S. CITIZENS

    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-arrest-americans-without-charge-or-trial/ Jollyroger88805

      mitzi
      Seems we are the only ones who read the bill and didn’t blindly jump on a bandwagon that was based on an incorrect rumor. We can not as Conservatives be so naive to accept those rumors as fact. We are a people who do our research for the truth and stand on that firm ground. mitzi I am proud that you posted the actual section of the bill to bring to light the facts and truth of this bill.

  • Bigfoot

    Looks like Sen. Graham will not be getting my vote this time either.

  • haroldson

    Remove the Illegal from the white house, The commi’s from congress , lock our borders down and keep them free of traffic and there will be less danger to the country and its people will safe again, The Radical laws will not be needed

  • noelle

    Call call call and say YOU ARE AGAINST S.1867. WITH THE PROVISION TO KILL OR DETAIN AMERICANS WITH NO TRIAL!
    THIS CRAP HAS TO STOP!!
    BOTH PARTIES ARE IN COHOOTS ON THIS! THEY ARE MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    we can NOT allow this bill to pass with this provision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • C22

    You may think your protected by limitations in this bill but how vague is this section…..

    (c) Implementation Procedures-

    (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.

    (2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:

    How does your senator protect you from that statement?

  • Pam Patrick

    Can you say SS can you say Hitler, this is probably the worst thing among many that they have even considered putting into effect.

  • One Mad Lady

    It’s the most difficult thing in the world for me to think that our blessed military men and women would turn on their families and fellow citizens just to follow the orders of a government that is full of a rotten sickness that sends a stench out across the oceans to other countries to let them know we are cowards and no better than they are.

    If it is true that our military would do this to the citizens who are keeping this country just barely afloat, then it is time to find another country.

    • Mollyeee

      Republic Education and Recruitment
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYEAmy5jP-M
      Also watch the video : Thrive … It’s on youtube.
      The Republic will soon have the full backing of the US Military.

      In 1860 – Congress was adjourned Sine Die – Lincoln could not legally reconvene Congress. In 1861, President Lincoln declared a National Emergency & Martial Law, which gave the Pres unprecedented pwrs & removed it from the other branches. This has NEVER been reversed.In 1863, the Lieber Code was established taking away your property & your rights.From 1864-1867, Several Reconstruction Acts were passed forcing the states to ratify the 14th Amendment, which made everyone slaves.
      In 1865, the capital was moved to Washington, D.C., a separate country not a part of the United States of America.
      In 1871, The United States became a Corporation with a new constitution & a new corp gov, & the original constitutional gov was vacated to become dormant, but it was nvr terminated. The new constitution had to be ratified by the ppl according to the original constitution, but it nvr was. The whole process occurred behind closed doors. The ppl are the source of financing for this new gov.
      In 1917, the Trading with the Enemy Act (TWEA) was passed. This insightful vid movielockerdotcom / 4084 states the fol:This act was implemented to deal with the countries we were at war with during WW I. It gave the Pres & the cpa the rt to seize the assets of the ppl included in this act & if they wanted to do bzness in this cntry they could apply for a lic to do so. By 1921, the Fed Reserve Bank held over $700,000,000 in trust. ” that this trust was based on our assets, not theirs”
      In 1933, 48 Stat 1, of the TWEA was amended to include the United States Person because they wanted to take our gold away. Executive Order 6102 was created to make it illegal for a U.S. Citizen to own gold. In order for the Government to take our gold away and violate our Constitutional rights, we were reclassified as ENEMY COMBATANTS.”
      In 1933, there was a second United States bankruptcy. In the first bankruptcy the United States collateralized all public lands. In the 1933 bankruptcy, the U.S. government collateralized the private lands of the people (a lien) – they borrowed money against our private lands. They were then mortgaged. That is why we pay property taxes.

  • badgirlpatriot2011

    Hey Craig Stock, sounds like some are awake and some are still sleeping,I will vote in the IOWA caucuse FOR RON PAUL ,and even though some think he is weak he is not sometimes politicians have to say somethings believe it or not ! As for Martial Law they OBummer is setting the stage for it .Get supplies and I heard another 120 web sites were taken down today by the GOV. So Our rights are going quickly,Soon we will need to paint signs on Tarps and hang them over the highway overpasses to get some of the messages out. How about a Hamm radio ? not sure if I spelled it correctly. We need to get involved with as many groups as we can so we can stay informed. Buy books also to educate yourself and others.Hand constitutions also and bibles. Food, Wood,Water,Medicines,PRAY!

  • Deb Hanes

    THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND AKIN TO MARTIAL LAW.

    We were warned Obama would bring this about somehow.

    Look out America.. next step.. NO ELECTIONS.. and Obama will declare himself supreme leader.

    This horrid, horrid little man, this unamerican alien has taken our country to new lows. AND WHAT IS WORSE, our own supposed elected representatives are letting him do it. We are becoming the USSR . God Help Us All.

    • Mollyeee

      “The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.” —H.L. Mencken

      Republic Education and Recruitment
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYEAmy5jP-M

      Watch the video on youtube called : Truth in a nut shell
      also watch the video documentary called : Thrive

      America has never been free.

      “the systematic repression of all our freedoms under the pretext of “Homeland Security” modeled after the Gestapo and the Security Service [SS] of Nazi Germany. I don’t think I need to say more about that, but please make strong efforts to inform others of this who are still afflicted with mass-media brainwashing. Keep throwing the facts in their faces until they can no longer dispute you. We cannot take our country back unless the people are educated and quick!”–Paul Walker –Aftermath News

  • Eli Jones

    It is the wet dream of Obama’s fascist Democrat senators to have total control over us. These scum bags should be arrested.

  • America first_responder

    FEMA camps ring a bell, anyone? This law, if passed, would allow the mass arrests of millions of Americans in the name of “homeland security”. Now it is all starting to come together. And they wonder why guns and ammo have been flying off the shelves since this imposter posing as a wannabe messiah usurped the presidency(sic)! Americans better wake up and smell the police state. This law makes Hitler’s Enabling Act of 1933 pale by comparison.

    • Mollyeee

      “Having heard all of this,
      you may choose to look the other way…
      …but you can never say again
      that you did not know”
      –William Wilburforce 1759-1833

      Republic Education and Recruitment
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYEAmy5jP-M

  • n0klu

    Maybe the next “conservative” president will use this to get rid of all these commies and uber liberals… especially those who are now in or were in government enacting all these unconstitutional laws! Send them all to Gitmo!

  • C22

    Part of the problem with this bill is that it “Gives the president the authority to determine if terror suspects are to be placed in civilian or military custody”. I don’t think we want to give enemy combatants the privileges of constitutionality.

    • Mollyeee

      In 1933, 48 Stat 1, of the TWEA was amended to include the United States Person because they wanted to take our gold away. Executive Order 6102 was created to make it illegal for a U.S. Citizen to own gold. In order for the Government to take our gold away and violate our Constitutional rights, we were reclassified as ENEMY COMBATANTS.”

      Republic Education and Recruitment
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYEAmy5jP-M

  • Roy

    And yet, you don’t hear a peep on this from the biased mainstream liberal media. For they think their brothers and sisters in Congress and the Whitehouse are such darlings.
    The time to fertilize the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants has come once again. It’s time for American Revolution part 2.
    God Bless America Again!

  • Bernie

    There is no way the US Military would follow such orders…………..Their oath is protect us against enemies foreign and domestic………..in this case the domestic enemy would be the overreaching elite politicians…………..

  • JANICE FORTIN

    Tina: I hope everyone read your reply. CORRECT. The entire world did not need TWO guesses to know whose bright idea this was to empower the military against civilians. When foreigners are visiting and something like this comes up: ask whose “idea” esp traitor type of ideas is…….not one foreigner will make a mistake. NOT ONE. All visitors since obama’s term WARN AMERICA……that’s exactly what happened before such and such a country went COMMIE, and then it was too late for anything but hopefully ESCAPE. If Congress votes this CRAP and it is CRAP……you will all recognize a congress COMPROMISED for all time. Write protests yes, but even more important: like you, Tina: PUT THIS STUFF ON THE INTERNET in every reply you can, and to all your emailers. Tina you have served readers well with your communication. One might think all this is not O’s idea, but just ck out the first (lady?) – her opinion are just as disgraceful and she doesn’t have 10 copies of her ans blinking attention before her eys. They did not go to G- – DAMN AMERICA church because they were pro America. the proof of the pudding is in the eating……Americans: do not swallow!

  • Nadine

    wondering why this is the First I have read about this? We should have been calling in weeks ago !!!

  • Wild Bill

    Get ready if Dictator Hitler Obama gets this done it will not be America any longer! It will be Germany all over again! All the liberals think they will be better off with this guy but hang on they will also end up with the rest of us!! Better send this email to everyone you know! God Bless America.

  • ONTIME

    Time has now come to do away withthe Patriot Act which has been misused and abused by the enforcement agencies and the activist courts, our civil rights and liberties are jeopardized and we are walking the line on habeas corpus……
    We are in dire need to institute term limits and a fair tax to change the way our elected officials hold office and to use the fair tax to get rid of the progressive tax and make government a concensus of the governed to regain representation….or we can lose this Republic.

  • http://NA amirizar10

    As learned, and talent loaded as the ACLU is It should be unnecessary for anybody to tell them that Communists are never trustworthy. History has repeated itself often enough, starting with the factual accounts in the Bible, and many other publications through all time and places. But this is not the end yet, nor will it be until man can learn to remember to learn from history, and lest he forgets. (Or something to that effect.)

  • Vexed Vet

    Like Lincoln, like Obummer. To hell with liberty we need ‘security’.

    Wait I think I hear a knock at the door!

  • Jack B.

    Like the attempt to use UN laws to disarm We Americans, this new attemp to control Us was expected and with a rogue Congress, Senate and President, we are in for trouble. Think of it this way, who in Congress or Our Senate or even our Judicial System has taken the side of the people? I was right long ago when I wrote that our government is working around the clock and in secret to gain full control of US, We The People, and that even our main street news media is complicet in this move. Be ever so careful not to vote for those who are highly promoted by our News Media because that candidate is bought and paid for by huge banking interests and globalists with their own agenda in mind. We must stand together to remain FOREVER SOVEREIGN, FOREVER FREE!!

  • FRANK B HILL

    WHEN I CALLED BILL NELSON’S OFFICE I WAS TOLD THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON A STATEMENT. LINDSAY GRAHAM’S OFFICE REFERRED ME TO THEIR WEBSITE PRESS RELEASES WHICH STATES THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO AMERICANS. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?

  • C22

    This bill is being debated now on C-SPAN2. These guys think they are debating financial aspects of the military. I do not think any senators will take the time to read this bill beyond the financial aspects.

  • bob velon

    This is scary because it could mean the end of Posse Comitatus laws and a precursor for a declaration of Martial Law. Maybe I am reading too much into this but this imposter scares the hell out of me. This could mean there are no restrictions on military actions here in the United States….What are your thoughts on this?

  • http://yahoomail Herman l McCloud

    If the president is willing to relinquish the force and power of our Constitutional laws and bylaws and hand it ovwer to the military is only another example of what this bastard
    president has in mind for our Country and the citizens thereof, Each day that he holds
    power of office he also practices in using those powers for the corruption, destruction
    and demise of our Country and all in order to transform our present democratic form
    of government system into a regimie type of government run by the military and in
    the control of a dictator, I wonder who this sick bastard has in mind, Yeah, right. !
    And this is one more reason that We The People have to get this sick bastard out of
    our government befor we end up losing our Country and Freedom.

  • http://www.civilrightstaskforce.info Gary De Capua

    Can anyone show me were it says that in S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill?
    So far I can’t find it: can arest Americans in the United States without trial. Has anyone read the Bill? So far I can’t find it in the bill, S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill:
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?c112:./temp/~c112OZmbJZ

  • noelle

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), HAS TO GO ALONG WITH MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE SOONER THE BETTER!

  • roy

    The laundry has been soiled by the bath water, time to throw out the water, and toss out the laundry. All Politians in office more than 8 years, is a lifer. The only thing Congress is doing is to secure there overpaid lifestyle. Obozo has been running for reelection for three years, buying votes, showering Funds on his donors. He has not accomplished one piece of legislation, has not got a budget passed or even submitted one. The only thing he does is Tax and Spend, this is all on purpose. Now they want to set up a Police State, with are Military as Brown Stirted Nazi type Cops. The End as we know it is comeing.

  • Thinking Outloud

    I find it a concern that there are over 500 responses, and I can find no indication that anyone has read the bill. It is also apparent that Mr Anders did not read it either, based upon his comment that “even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military …” The text of the bill states: “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.” That seems pretty clear.

    Other text that seems to be overlooked includes: “A covered person under this section is any person as follows: (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners …”

    Having read that, it does raise the question of why the ACLU is wanting to protect those who attacked the United States, or are engaged in hostilities against the United States.

    • George Houchens

      It is more than just exempting citizens and legal aliens from this perverse bill. It is about allowing the military to arrest anyone within the legal borders of our country. The FBI and the Department of Justice has that responsibility and the military does not. Why? Because the Dept of Justice is governed by our legal system and the military is not. That is the scary part of this legislation.

  • PTCRUISERMAN

    I think that we the people need to refer to the second paragraph of The Declaration of Independence! That’s just this ole vets thoughts…..

  • Bob

    If this is true we can’t support our own military anymore, Really this doesn’t surprise me any because of the plan to take over this country. If you read between the lines, that is why they need to get the guns away from people. Lindsey Graham has been an a..hole for a long time. Newt looks like the best candidate who still believes in “The United States Constitution”. The problem is school teachers are not teaching our children what our forefathers wanted for us by
    the constitution. Again, I believe the Unions have a lot to do with his. Now you can see, I hope
    what Obama really is like. Nothing but a Chicago thug!

  • Bill

    REVOLUTION!!!

  • Alan Lopez

    Service members are not obligated to obey unlawful orders, they are in fact sworn to uphold the constitution of the U.S. and to defend the same against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC as are
    members of congress,the president,as well as supreme court justices. Since any such order would constitute a violation of the Bill of Rights, a part of the Constitution, it calls into question just what are our ELECTED officials smoking. The same Constitution prohibits the U.S. military from engaging Americans on U.S. soil. As a former soldier and airman I am furious that this country has stooped so low,and encourage members of the United States Armed Forces to remain true to the oath they swore when they where commissioned or enlisted in their respective branch of service. And to the voters, my fellow American to recall any Senator voting for such a measure.

  • Ernest Lane

    Chill out. That section has been removed.

  • Mary S

    I will say this until my dying day that God needs to be first in our lives or we will go under. America needs to turn back to God and His Word and apply it to their lives. Not what people say but what His Word says.
    2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by MY name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
    HOW?
    II Peter 3:8… but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
    Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD,” Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength, and whose heart turns away from the LORD

  • off plum

    “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy”
    James Madison

    The government is using the war on terror as the wind to extinguish the flame of freedom !

  • Pat

    You got this from Infowars and you expect me to believe it? Do you sell bridges, too? Alex Jones is a crackpot. He often exaggerates things. He can’t read. If you can’t find this information anyplace else, it isn’t real. I warned you about him before. You should NEVER use him as a source if you want me to believe you!

    He thinks 9/11 was an inside job, in spite of the fact that the EVIDENCE clearly shows otherwise, as explained thoroughly in Popular Mechanics. In order for there to be a planned demolition, large quantities of explosives would have to be placed in plain sight. Nobody saw anything. He thinks Americans killed 1.5 million Iraqis. We didn’t do that; Saddam did. We went out of our way to save lives. We even covertly told Saddam’s military if they went home, we wouldn’t kill them. They did, we didn’t, and they came back to haunt us with suicide bombings and IEDs. Jones opined that when Texas asked gun dealers at gun shows to look at IDs before selling guns to people, it was engaged in racketeering, even though racketeering law would require that Texas make a profit from them, and this was before Fast and Furious. How would requiring people to look at ID create any profit for Texas??? Either find another source for this, and keep your bridges to yourself, or I will find someone I can depend on as a source of information.

    • Steve

      Pat — it is necessary to question every source, whether AJ, television “news”, or government officials. Here are a some links in responding to your first couple points. You owe it to yourself to check out what professionals in the field are saying rather than relying on one article in a magazine. The first is a must-see video. The next two links are to articles:

      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29088.htm

      http://www.naturalnews.com/033684_911_truth_WTC_7.html#ixzz1Z1GAc1hK

      http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

      • Pat

        Steve, LOL.

        Naturalnews often relies on Alex Jones as well. They’re good on health, and they are sometimes good on politics, but they suffer from the same problem as THIS site: gullibility. And I’ve told them the same thing I said here: anybody who trusts Alex Jones is a fool. The article you referenced is more of the same. The truth is, the WTC buildings were designed to fall on their footprints NO MATTER WHAT CAUSED THE COLLAPSE. So the statement that apart from a controlled demolition, buildings don’t do that, is just plain false. If you look at the videos of the collapse, it started with the material above the area where the planes struck. It did NOT start at the base. A controlled demolition would start at the base. Or do you want me to believe they knew to put the explosive charges on the floors the planes struck, knowing in advance which particular floors the planes would strike? Come on! And another thing: I’m not suggesting Building 7 collapsed from office fires. I think it collapsed because of large chunks of debris that fell from the Twin Towers, that were sufficient to start the reaction resulting in the collapse. Remember, if something really large fell into the center of Building 7, it would cause the same kind of inner column collapse preceding outer column collapse the article mentions.

        I learned a bit more about the situation described in this article. As usual, Alex Jones distorts the picture. First of all, almost all arrests occur BEFORE a trial. It’s that way now. The only really new piece of news is the idea that the American military will be doing the arrests. It is unconstitutional for the American military to do this. But that said, it’s really no different from the current situation, where people get arrested before trial all the time. Evidently Jones makes it sound like getting arrested before trial is something new. It isn’t. So that’s a huge problem right there. Sounding more alarm than is warranted can be just as dangerous as sounding too little. Another thing: just because some provision passed the Senate doesn’t mean we have a problem. The House is in Republican hands, and this provision cannot become law unless it agrees.

        You referenced videos about Building 7 at the WTC. I have difficulty watching videos without my browser crashing (because I have too many tabs open; I read voraciously, you see). I have seen photos of Building 7 at various points. It does NOT look like a planned demolition! Quite the contrary. It’s not entirely clear why Building 7 collapsed. All we know is that it wasn’t a planned demolition. Again, they would have to have put massive quantities of explosives in place, and people would have OBSERVED this.

        Since they let you post links, here are links to the Popular Mechanics material:

        http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
        http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/3491861

        Sometimes people make the mistake of misrepresenting readily ascertainable facts. Jones does this frequently. In this case, there are videos of airliners flying into the two WTC buildings. There was NO missile. A missile wouldn’t have done that anyway. We have lists of the passengers and crew who died. We know what the flight numbers were.

        I’ll watch the videos when I am able (some of them I’ve already seen). But the facts are the facts. I’m sorry, but anybody who trusts Alex Jones is in trouble.

        Bottom line: if a story can’t be found at a trusted source elsewhere, and the only source you have is Alex Jones, it’s probably not true at all, and if there is any truth in it, it is badly distorted (just like in THIS case). So find the other source to begin with. Otherwise, in my opinion, your credibility is shot all to heck.

        • Steve

          Pat — I wasn’t sure if you would even see the note, so thanks for responding. The first link I sent was to a video put out by a group of Architects who, by making claims that contradict “mainstream” thought on the topic of the the WTC buildings, have put their own reputations on the line to call it like they see it. Please do take the time to watch it. Because you prefer articles here is a link to an article that assembles comments from a group of current and former military officers who weigh in with their perspectives:

          http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_080112_twenty_five_u_s__mil.htm

          The thing both these groups have in common is that there is nothing in it for them except the risk of ostracism and reproach, so I truly admire their integrity.

          The Popular Mechanics article and a smattering of “debunking debunker” sites, along with the NIST report and the 9-11 Commission Report have been the foundation for those who agree with the government’s own conspiracy theory (i.e. that a bunch of guys with [proven nonexistent] caves in Afghanistan orchestrated and pulled off the most sophisticated attack on this country since the Japanese fleet struck Pearl Harbor, and that three buildings collapsed in virtual freefall [against any known laws of physics even assuming a "pancake" collapse] into their own footprint [no, buildings are not designed that way, which is why it takes special companies to rig them for collapse] when no building in history had ever collapsed due to fire and that our NORAD defense wasn’t able to put one plane in the air to counter the alleged airliner that was headed toward the Pentagon [most heavily protected above ground building in the world] to prevent that strike). Sorry for the overly long parenthetical insert, but I continue to be apalled at that lack of curiosity on the part of most Americans regarding the basis for an event that served as the basis for two of the longest and pointless wars (Afghanistan and Iraq) in U.S. history, as well as the Patriot Act and increasing loss of freedoms ever seen, all due to the perpetual war for perpetual peace called “The War on Terror”.

          I too have read books and watched countless documentaries and articles arguing both sides of the argument. In the end I must agree with the architects in the video that the scenario with which we have been presented by the media and various government sources just does not, and cannot, hold water.

          • Pat

            Steve,

            *sigh!*

            I know some architects have said these things. I do not agree, and I do not think architects are exempt from the common failing of humanity: they make mistakes. The American military is also full of such people. They didn’t reckon with how devastating it is to be in the middle of a war. They had a change of heart. I can tell you of plenty more military (including family members and friends) who believe in what we are doing there.

            The attack was not at all sophisticated. The terrorists were not expecting the towers to collapse. The reason for special demolition teams is partly because designing buildings to fall on their own footprint is relatively recent. Watching the buildings collapse, I disagree they were in virtual freefall. I repeat: the collapse started on the floors where the planes flew in. You don’t do controlled demolitions that way. LOOK AT THE VIDEOS OF THE COLLAPSE!

            The wars were not pointless. They saved countless lives, especially of Iraqis. They kept the terrorists occupied on their own soil. Our problem isn’t that the wars are pointless. It’s that people who are not completely loyal to our people interfered.

            NORAD is pointed OUTWARD. It’s no wonder they didn’t see the threat, not to mention the fact that it wasn’t what they would expect anyway. And Bush understandably was hesitant to shoot down American planes with Americans on board.

            Lack of curiosity on my part? Not guilty.

            Loss of freedom is the fault of people like Obama.

            You continue to ignore the fact that if they were going to do a planned demolition, people would have seen massive explosives put into place. Nobody saw anything.

  • http://www.zottasperspective.blogspot.com Greg Zotta

    Is America getting close to being a Police State? Everyday, the American People are being attacked by all sides limiting our freedom. There are many things on the horizon that our Government wants to impose on the People in order to CONTROL THEM.
    The Indiana Supreme Court ruled in a 3-2 decision the following: “In sum, we hold that in Indiana the right to reasonably resist an unlawful police entry into a home is no longer recognized under Indiana law.” Indiana Supreme Court Justice Steven David said, “We believe however that a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence. Nowadays, an aggrieved arrestee has means unavailable at common law for redress against unlawful police action. Further, we note that a warrant is not necessary for every entry into a home. For example, officers may enter the home if they are in ―hot pursuit of the arrestee or if exigent circumstances justified the entry.”
    The Smart Grid will be used to CONTROL your thermostat and appliances. Obamacare will CONTROL your lifestyle, what you do and what you eat. Starting in 2011, all new cars (eventually all cars) will be mandated to have in them the “black box” to CONTROL your freedom of movement. It will show where you go, your speed, whether you are wearing your seatbelt etc.
    Some people may have heard about the FEMA Camps meant to round up the People around the country. Officials call the controversy about them “Conspiracy Theories;” something that will never happen. Nevertheless, it did. The United States had internment camps in the past. Today, Senator John McCain, along with several other Senators is sponsoring The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010, or S. 3081. The bill authorizes the President to deny a detainee a trial by jury simply by designating that person an “enemy belligerent.”

    Who would be considered an enemy belligerent? Could an enemy belligerent be a Tea Party Protester? Possibly; because in April 2010 the Government did a security exercise at Fort Knox and sent out the following message regarding it: “Friday, 23 April 2010, and identifies the terrorist threat adversaries as “Local Militia Groups / Anti-Government Protesters / TEA Party.”

    Democrat Senator Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey sponsored Senate Bill 34 Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2011. It gives the Attorney General, currently the biased Eric Holder the authority to deny the sale or distribution of firearms or explosives to individuals whom the Attorney General has determined to be engaged in terrorist activities. Who in Eric Holder’s mind may these people be? Could it be Tea Party Patriots?
    In the 2008 Presidential election the Obama Regime set up “Truth Squads,” made up of people in POWER, like prosecutors and sheriffs to intimidate people from using their First Amendment right of Free Speech to criticize the candidacy of Barack Hussein Obama. During that election cycle the police were also given a directive to take caution when stopping vehicles displaying the Gadsden Flag, Tea Party stickers, or Ron Paul stickers. Now in 2011, the Obama Regime has a “Truth Czar,” who calls himself the terminator. His job will be to scour the internet and the Media looking for people criticizing Obama. When he finds them will they be considered “enemy belligerents?”

    More and more everyday American citizens are loosing their freedoms and most of them do not even know it. Wake up America!

  • rkz777

    THE MILITARY WILL DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD, MOST WILL! DON’T THINK IT WILL JUST BE THE U.S. MILITARY, THE U.N. HAS HAD TROOPS IN THIS COUNTRY FOR MANY YEARS, THEY ARE NOT MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY, THEY WILL SHOOT YOU IF TOLD TO DO SO. IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE THAT THEN YOU ARE ALREADY LOST.

    • PWR11

      Not so sure about that rkz777. At least I would like to think they would object! Funny thing is my son was recently home from Iraq on leave, I saw an artical about this very type thing. This artical asked the military soldiers if they would fire on American citizens. I asked my son if he was ever asked that question, he replied NO, and He said that would be in direct conflict with what they are taught! I’m sure if they were being fired on, they would return fire without a doubt, But I do not think most American Soldiers would just fire on civilians without some extreme cause!! You would at least hope this would be the case.. ( the artical said the results were mixed about 50/50) As for the UN why on earth they would be allowed on American soil is beyond me! But if their performance in Africa is any indication of their skills they would have their hands full dealing with us farmboys and our toys!! We must at the minimun get rid of Obama in 2012… This much I know, if given another 4 yr.s and allowed to appoint just one more Supreme Court Justice, We the People are in real trouble, and revolution is a real possibility…. God help us!!

  • catchesthewind

    We used to be protected by the Posse Comitatus Act. Whatever hapened to that wonderful law.

    • Mollyeee

      HOW CAN WE REPAIR OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW?

      “The Supreme Court has said the De Jure Government offices still exist but the people have failed to occupy them.

      Remember Downs v. Bidwell and the dissenting opinion of Justice Marshall Harlan? He said that two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions. This is one that We the people need to force our elected public officials to occupy – De Jure rule.

      We need to change that by organizing Grand Juries and putting our officials back under De jure rule and out of the Corporate (or Military) Rule that they are currently operating under.

      Our elected officials will then have to operate under the limits of their Oath of office to uphold the U.S. and State Constitutions, circa 1860. When they violate the Oath it’s a capital crime.

      The reason we go back to 1860 is because that is the last time we had lawful laws in this country.

      Where do the people get their power to convene a Grand Jury? The Magna Carta, 1215.

  • ArkansasAngel

    The way the conservatives are fighting with one another on these comments, the opposition has already won. Pretty damn sad.

  • rkz777

    NO NEED TO RECALL WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS, NO NEED TO REPEAT OUR FEELINGS ABOUT THE ass IN WASHINGTON AND HIS socialist cronies. VOTING DOESN’T WORK, AND JAWING ALL THE TIME DOESN’T WORK. JUST BE READY TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILIES AS BEST AS YOU CAN, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. GOD PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, THANKS BE TO GOD.

    • Mollyeee

      All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted
      as self-evident.”
      – Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher
      1788-1860

      Republic Education and Recruitment
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYEAmy5jP-M

  • dw663

    As if this president needs this legislation put into law before he abuses it’s power. You might as well make Obama the “Dictator of America.” Pretty soon the gov’t will take away our right to vote as well as all our other freedoms. No president should have this much power.

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  • trashcan

    These laws would include members of con-gress (the opposite of pro-gress), or did they write an exclusion of themselves again?

  • Peppered

    We are 2/3rds into/toward pre-war Nazi Germany. Difference is that the UN governs world-wide and we are STILL the major financial contributor. The UN needs to be ousted as well as the Federal Reserve. Sieg Heil?

  • Eugene

    I can’t believe a republican from S.C. is okay with this. I don’t know which is worse, our military young minds getting ‘Call of Duty’ with ‘Call to Duty’ confused until the firing starts and the Taliban, Hamas, AlQiada, etc…remind them, or our trigger happy SWAT teams going haywire all the time. I say let’s quit our bitching and start the revolution!

  • http://yahoo Jan

    SOUNDS LIKE GERMANY 1939..ADOLF OBAMA HAS TO BE IMPEACHED
    AND THE DEMS SENT TO RUSSIA.

  • older Navy

    Now we know who the enemy really is – us!

  • Solarun

    Don’t worry. It will be only used for Muslims and al queda types.

  • Bill

    Ann Coulter advised us all to get behind Mitt Romney and to do it now if we do want another 4 years of Obummer. I am going to follow her advice and I suggest that you all get off your high horse and do likewise!

  • Scott

    I’m sorry I voted for McCain. I should’ve voted for Paul.

    McCain is a hero and I’m glad for that, but I believe he is becoming a paranoid fascist. It’s a shame. Oh, I’m sure he would say he knows better than me, but that’s just what paranoid fascists say.

  • Mocha 10

    This is really sick stuff. This is mafia at its best. Does anyone else realize how other countries are seeing American’s right now? I am not a proud American right now and I don’t like it one bit.

  • Villa Merkle

    This is very serious and it may be too late if you have not done so, but everybody needs to call their Reps and tell them to vote against this Bill!

    This will kill the Constitutional Rights we have!

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  • Don Boyer

    Apparently the Demoidiots in our Senate have never read our Constituton!! Or have learned
    from Obama, the inept socialist Muslim, to simply ignore it completely. With a few strokes of a pen we the people could end up with no GOD given rights. Bend over and grab your ankles we’ve about to be screwed again!!!!!!

  • Amelia

    Our military, scattered around the world needs to come home to protect its citizens from harm, not to arrest them..this is the responsible of local police protection…
    Obama is certainly doing his best to destroy what is remaining of our once great freedoms…Time Congress holds him down..he still has another year to contine his destruction.

    • TheThinMan

      Congress is complicit and complacent. wait until it is their turn to be in the barrel.

  • http://conservativebyte Nat

    ACLU, for once, do the job you were intended to do. This is definately a civil rights violation and you should be occupying congress on this. Drop all the other frivilous bull that usually gets you in the headlines and do something truly constructive this time. You’ve got a chance to get on people’s good list and off the list with congress.

    Make us proud !

    I still think passive profiling would be the best way to identify terrorists. Ask the Isralis, they can show you how well it works too.

  • PWR11

    What the hell is wrong with Sen. graham?? Maybe a lobotamy would help in this case!!! There is NO WAY this should pass, It smears our Constitutional rights out of existance!! Come on people, why would any Government Rep. what such overstepping powers passed on to the Pres.?? It’s insane, it can’t be allowed, it must be stoped….It’s pure madness!!!!!

  • Joe

    Another step toward communism.

    • TheThinMan

      NO, more like another step towards Socialist Facism.

  • america the beautiful

    THIS IS PURE HATEFUL OF THIS PRESIDENT NOW I KNOW WHAT HE MEANT WHEN HE SAID HE HAD HIS OWN MILTARY TO TAKE CONTROL,THIS IS PURE HELL AT ITS BEST TO TAKE MORE THEN THEY NEED,IT FIRGURE THIS COMMUNIST PRESIDENT WOULD THINK OF THIS AND IT TO MUCH FOR HIM,AND OUR FREEDOM IS DISTUCTED AND GONE

  • http://www.kidon.com/media-link MalikTous

    We have had no president since 20 Jan 1993 when Bush SR ended his term; ever since, nothing has been done for the citizens and nation by our so-called government. If they try to go ahead with this piece of Nazi trash, we should toss the lot out on their ears and destroy all laws enacted since Bush SR left. This is the same trash that destroyed the Roman Republic, and I will not accept the repeat, will not pay into such unconstitutional fraud, and will assist in bringing back a USA government instead of some repeat of October 1918 in Russia or Nazi takeover in Germany. Impeach the lot and deport them to China mainland where their type of ‘government’ is already illegally running!

    • Beau Petty/Beau Petty Face Book

      Ok, I normally don’t chime in on stuff like this, that notwithstanding, OWS is a waste of human and economical resources. In order to create a real change, Constitutional Amendment is the only true, patriot way of mending such Governmental injustices. If you really want to make a change, support our right to Constitutional Amendment as though it where the separation of Church and State… We have to root out who and what really does create our Government…

      http://reclaimdemocracy.org/political_reform/proposed_constitutional_amendments.html

      Proposed Constitutional Amendments to U.S. Constitution-Reclaim Democracy.org
      reclaimdemocracy.org
      SECTION 2. Corporations and other institutions granted the privilege to exist shall be subordinate to any and all laws enacted by citizens and their elected governments.
      Like · · Share · November 20 at 10:47am

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      http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org
      SECTION 2. Corporations and other inst…

  • http://conservativebyte buck

    It is not the congress , it is insane Harry Reid and the demon rat Senate that is doing this to give Sheik Obamass the power of the God he thinks he is , Im not saying that the House would not do it but we took it from the demon rats in the last election , now we need to get control of the treasoness Senate and put it back under the control of the people and the Constitution .

    • TheThinMan

      This is precisely the result of the 17th amendment in which Senators were elected – they became Party Hacks rather than the body that was supposed to protect States Rights. They were and are not supposed to represent the people but to keep the House of Representatives – those people elected to represent the people, their constituents , the CITIZENS of the United States – not trespassers from foreign countries.

      Now, neither the Senators nor the Representatives represent the Citizens of the United States, they are ALL Party members – this is just like the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Everyone needs to stop supporting the DNC and the RNC and support only those people that will represent YOU and your fellow citizens against the tyranny of the Central Government.

  • Prior Service Marine

    I called my Senator to voice my EXTREME displeasure about this, theres already an amendment to kill its addition to the bill by a Senator from Colorado. So I’m hopeful, but the realist in me isnt so hopeful.

  • cleareyes

    It”s called a gun grab! And end in Showers with Ovens out back!

  • POLITICO DUMMY

    Jim said Nov 28th, we are being dumbed down. YES JIM YOUR CORRECT, AND THE DUMMBING DOWN SUBSTANCE IS FLUORIDE, WHICH STALIN AND HITLER USED TO KEEP PEOPLE STUPID. NICELY PUT IS TO KEEP PEOPLE COMPLACENT. A MERCHANT MARINE MALE TOLD ME. IF EACH CITY TOWN GETS 6 PEOPLE TOGETHER, THEY FORM A SIX PERSON COALITION TO MEET THE RULES OF THE TOXIC GROUPS WHO FIGHT POISENS IN OUR FOODS PUBLIC WATER. THEY ARE IN BOSTON BIG TIME, AND ALL STATES, HIDDEN AWAY IN BARE ROOMS WORKING LIKE MAD ON COMPUTERS. THEY HAVE LITTLE TIME, BUT WILL HELP ALL OF US IF WE .CAN GET SIX PEOPLE TOGETHER. I DON’T KNOW SIX THINKING PEOPLE. .. THEY TEACH THE SIX PEOPLE WHAT TO SAY, ON A BILL TO GO INTO THIER STATE HOUSE, ONE IS FLUORIDE DOES NOT PREVENT CARIES. CAVITIES COME FROM STREPTOCOCCUS MUTANS A BACTERIA. FLUORIDE CANT KILL OFF BACTERIAS OF THE MOUTH. THE COALITION CAN COLLECT 55000 SIGNATURES, OR PUT IN A BILL, TO EACH STATES LEGISLATION; THAT YOU DO NOT WANT FLUORIDE ANY LONGER, AS IT CAUSES POOR HEALTH. AND THAT POOR HEALTH RUNS FROM WEAK BONES, TO MENTAL DISABILITIES/AND NEUROLOGICAL, AND HORMON DISRUPTIONS, CANCERS GALORE, AND STOUTNESS. POOR HEALTH.

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  • Hank

    THIS IS JUST WHAT THE COMMIES HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. IF THE GOVERNMENT WOULD INFORCE IT BORDER LAWS AND CATCH THE INTRUDERS, THEIR WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THIS ACTION. REMEMBER KEEP THEM GUNS LOADED AND AT BED SIDE AND WHEN ASKED ON YOU TAXES LIE JUST LIKE WASHINGTON LIES TO US. WHY SHOULD I REPORT MY GUNS WHEN THE STREET GANG’S WILL STILL HAVE THEIRS?

  • Beau petty

    Ok, I normally don’t chime in on stuff like this, that notwithstanding, OWS is a waste of human and economical resources. In order to create a real change, Constitutional Amendment is the only true patriot way of mending such Governmental injustices. If you really want to make a change, support our right to Constitutional Amendment as though it where the separation of Church and State… We have to root out who and what really does create our Government…

    http://reclaimdemocracy.org/political_reform/proposed_constitutional_amendments.html

    Proposed Constitutional Amendments to U.S. Constitution-Reclaim Democracy.org
    reclaimdemocracy.org
    SECTION 2. Corporations and other institutions granted the privilege to exist shall be subordinate to any and all laws enacted by citizens and their elected governments.
    Like · · Share · November 20 at 10:47am

    Proposed Constitutional Amendments to U.S. Constitution-Reclaim Democracy.org
    http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org
    SECTION 2. Corporations and other inst…

  • Bill USN-RET

    We may as well have Hugo or Adolf as Barrack. He wants to go after all who disagree. I’m sorry to say I will use deadly force to defend my family from any such tyranny, even if I must confront
    A US servicemember. Retired Navy Chief Master at Arms.

  • cleareyes

    Where are the Good and Honorable men that walk the nation. Or is the song a lie. Crown thy good with brotherhood.

  • Crazy Geno

    KEEP A SHARP EYE TO THE WINDOW AND YOUR AMMUNITION DRY!

  • SSMcDonald

    And NOW, for those who did not already know, you now know what the forming of NorthCom, headed by a 4 star general, is all about. Think Posse Comitatus will protect you? Try telling that to the private or Corporal that comes to your door under orders that are not for your benefit.

  • smitty

    IF THIS DOESN’T SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF YOU, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE YOUR PULSE CHECKED ‘CAUSE YOU MAY NOT HAVE ONE. I AM NOT SURPRISED ABOUT LINDSAY GRAHAM (R-SC), BUT JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ) SOMEWHAT SURPRISES ME. JUST THINK, THE REPUB’S CHOSE HIM TO REPRESENT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. APPARENTLY, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN LOSERS REGARDLESS OF THE ELECTION RESULTS.

  • hypnoticsuggestions

    Have not read one positive comment about this. If this happens I would no longer feel safe in my home or anywhere really, time to move to a different country.

  • The Lion’s Den Roars

    WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO WAKE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UP.

    MYSELF I DID NOT VOTE FOR KING HOMO .

    NEXT YOU WILL HAVE TO GET YOUR MARK ON YOUR FOREHEAD , BEFORE YOU CAN GO OUT YOUR DOOR.

    YES WE CAN SEE A CIVIL WAR ONCE AGAIN . AS IS THE KING , WANTS TO FLY THAT MUSLIM FLAG OVER THE WHITE HOUSE.

    NO YOU CAN NOT BLAME BUSH , YOU CAN ONLY BLAME YOUR GOVERMENT FOR FAILING IN MANY WAYS. OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM HAS A BIG ODOR , FIRST FOR LETTING ALL THE CORRUPTION THAT TOOK PLACE THREW LAST ELECTION . ALL THE ILLEGAL VOTES AND VOTERS. THEN THEY KISS THE JACKASSES , AN LET A FULL FLEGED LLLEGAL GAIN THE RIGHTS TO BE SEATED. . AND YET THIS DAY THE JUSTICES APPROVE OF THIS ILLEGAL ALEIN , AN SIT BACK AN WATCH HIM DESTROY OUR COUNTRY. OUR FREEDOM IS DISSAPPEARING.

    IT IS TIME TO STOCK UP . AN LET THE DRUMS RUMMBLE , WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK , AN PUT GOD’S NAME BACK WHERE IT BELONGS. AN THE ONES THAT WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY . GET THE HELL OUT AN GO SEEK HELP FROM BIN LADDEN.

  • Benjamin

    Here is the original version of S.1867 for the NDAA FY2012- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112SVK7tR:e462417: Under “Subtitle D–Detainee Matters”, you will see Sections 1031 and 1032. You might wonder to yourself why these definitions of enemies and our protections for We the People are no longer there. NOW go to C-Span and watch Senate Session Nov. 17, 2011. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/302754-1 Foreward to timetag 05:13:40 and watch Senator Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) discuss these omissions and technical Repeal of our 4th Amendment. Now I suggest that ya’ll stop a minute before you take the ACLU’s advice to demand Udall’s Amendment to be put in place…when the re-introduction of the omitted provisions will do better. AND to ConservativeByte – Why didn’t you CHECK for a fire before you posted an incomplete story? I like your newsletters, just need to doublecheck (especially from a lib site like the ACLU) Keep the Mission for Freedom Going. Feel free to repost this comment to your sister sites.

    • Steve

      Benjamin – Thanks for the link, but I suggest you continue to listen to the comments by Barbara Boxer (I never thought that I would ever refer anyone to comments from this lady, but there is a first time for everything). Those can be found from 5:30 and continuing for about 20 minutes. She warns of the danger of militarizing any “terrorist” issue, with the potential for indefinite military detention as a possibility even for U.S. citizens. If even one senator from either party voices such a concern there should be a legal analysis by all concerned before the bill moves forward for amendments or a vote.

  • David

    Really hard to believe that there is so many socialist nutcases that think the Kenyan idiot
    is a great president. Would bet that these same low lQ mental midgets think the Kenyan
    is a Lawyer. Not so since the lying thug lied on a Bar exam and had to give up his license or
    go to court. If his lips are moving he is still a lying piece of dung. No wonder guns have gone
    up in price since this muslin abortion lied his way into office. 2012 can’t get here fast enough
    to get rid of this vomit. Vote him out and ship his skinny ass back to Kenya

  • JustMe

    The boiling frog analogy is happening. The heat is being turned up and people are finally starting to wake up now. This bill is dangerous to our freedoms and it’s unconstitutional.
    Newt Gingrich talked about strengthening the unconstitutional Patriot Act and utilizing those types of tools. This new bill is a new tool that they’ll use against us like the Patriot Act. I don’t think Newt is our answer to this problem.

  • http://www.dancollins888.info Dan Collins MI/MP (retired)

    In 1966 [Military Intelligence] we were warned the United States would never be defeated on the battlefield, rather through the treason of our own politicians.

    Obama is a Muslim/Liberal/Socialist/Communist. Political operatives in uniform, national police, and intelligence community are more dangerous than foreign moles.

    The fox is in the hen house__ask yourself if you trust Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.

    That this matter has gone before Harry Reid and he fully supports the measure__indicates this if inacted will be abused immediately__the same as in Nazi Germany.

    Lindsey Grahm was a JAG officer__and we all know about those dirty little political operative in uniform pricks.__I often wonder about Grahm [RINO].

    Most of today’s soldiers were raised under political correctness and liberal brainwashing__and are operating by herd instinct__capable of arresting anyone without question [little Nazi's].

    My generation [Vietnam] of soldier lived by the individual instinct__”WTF-Over”__We recognized careerist officers, and political operatives in uniform__and we questioned their motives.

  • Marlene

    Every backer of this insanity should be executed for treason. Levin and McCain first. Do the people have ANY sayin something like this or do we, as usual, get railroaded because it’s what Obama wants? Let the revolution begin. The politicians don’t realize how much we are at the end of our ropes. Obama has worked against we the people too many times now.

    • Benjamin

      Have you read the bill? All we need to do is re-instate the provisions the administration (aka Obama and the Liberal Democrats) have removed. Please see my comments above made at 4:32 today.

  • Marlene

    Every backer of this insanity should be executed for treason. Levin and McCain first. Do the people have ANY say in something like this or do we, as usual, get railroaded because it’s what Obama wants? Let the revolution begin. The politicians don’t realize how much we are at the end of our ropes. Obama has worked against we the people too many times now.

  • Donald R. Purkess

    I am a Veteran, a United States Citizen and I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!
    It will be a cold day in HELL if you think I will let A Serviceman/woman put my ASS in Jail, for no reason or ryme! I alway’s carry a weapon with me at all times and you can bet your sorry ass I am willing to use it. I will DIE before you try to take my weapon away from me and a lot of other people will DIE before I DO. Who the Hell do you think you are to try and put me in jail or prison for any reason you choose. If this Bill passes watch out America the Federal Government just let the EYE of the TIGER LOOSE. I shoot first and don’t ever ask questions!
    That is my promise to my fellow Americans, GIVE ME LIBERTY or GIVE ME DEATH. I won’t start with Americans in uniform, I will Start at the TOP, you cowards.
    WATCH YOUR BACK, I dont care who goes first , you can bet your ASS it will be YOU!

  • Donald R. Purkess

    I am a Veteran, a United States Citizen and I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!
    It will be a cold day in HELL if you think I will let A Serviceman/woman put my ASS in Jail, for no reason or ryme! I alway’s carry a weapon with me at all times and you can bet your sorry ass I am willing to use it. I will DIE before you try to take my weapon away from me and a lot of other people will DIE before I DO. Who the Hell do you think you are to try and put me in jail or prison for any reason you choose. If this Bill passes watch out America the Federal Government just let the EYE of the TIGER LOOSE. I shoot first and don’t ever ask questions!
    That is my promise to my fellow Americans, GIVE ME LIBERTY or GIVE ME DEATH. I won’t start with Americans in uniform, I will Start at the TOP, you cowards.
    WATCH YOUR BACK, I dont care who goes first , you can bet your ASS it will be YOU!

  • Donald R. Purkess

    I am a Veteran, a United States Citizen and I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!
    It will be a cold day in HELL if you think I will let A Serviceman/woman put my ASS in Jail, for no reason or ryme! I alway’s carry a weapon with me at all times and you can bet your sorry ass I am willing to use it. I will DIE before you try to take my weapon away from me and a lot of other people will DIE before I DO. Who the Hell do you think you are to try and put me in jail or prison for any reason you choose. If this Bill passes watch out America the Federal Government just let the EYE of the TIGER LOOSE. I shoot first and don’t ever ask questions!
    That is my promise to my fellow Americans, GIVE ME LIBERTY or GIVE ME DEATH. I won’t start with Americans in uniform, I will Start at the TOP, you cowards.
    WATCH YOUR BACK, I dont care who goes first , you can bet your ASS it will be YOU!

  • Mindy

    That way lies madness and tyranny, not to mention genocide!

  • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-arrest-americans-without-charge-or-trial/ Jollyroger88805

    This article is absolutely false. I am very disappointed that a Conservative news outlet would post such a falsehood. Lets face it Conservatives have to be twice as concerned as what we put forth than the fairy tale liberals. When they get false statements like this they latch onto it and tie it to truthful Constitutional concerns of natural born citizen and using fraudulent SS#. So please clean this up and post a retraction. Section 1031 of this bill specifically “exempts” American citizens and legal permanent resident aliens. Read it before you just rubber stamp sensationalized stories.

    • Benjamin

      you are correct that 1031-32 Protects us from this. BUT in the version the Democratically Controlled Senate will be voting on has these exemptions missing. Please see my post from 4:32 today. I’m disgusted with Chris Anders of the ACLU for Lying to We The People and fronting for Udall’s call to erase our 4th Amendment. By the way… the ACLU’s number in DC is (202) 675-2312 and their E-Mail is media@dcaclu.org … let’s get a campaign going to have Chris FIRED

  • LibertyLover

    I believe that Ron Paul may now officially quote the old Vern Gosdin song “Do you believe me now” and an old Randy Travis song as well “I told you so, oh I told you so” and it seems our Government Elect will be once again quoting Travis Tritt to us all “Here’s a quarter, call some one who cares”!!! And Please, Please, Please! Call your senators ASAP!!! tell them you’ll do your very best to help make sure they don’t get re-elected.

    U.S. Capital Switchboard (202) 224-3121

  • ALPHAOMEGA

    !!!!!WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!
    I’ve been blogging here daily that Obama can declare a supposed NATIONAL EMERGENCY.
    He can cancel the Presiidental Election. He is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF. He can secure the Armed Forces to his bidding. They have to respond to his demands. This is the same scenario
    that ADOLPH HITLER used to gain SUPREME POWER. The USA has already built the
    internment camps in several states, and on our larger military bases. They are manned and
    controlled by FEMA & HOMELAND SECURITY. !!!!WAKE UP!!!!

    • TheThinMan

      Do not bet that he can “secure” the armed forces to do his bidding. at least not all of them. And you find it strange that most of their support and money backs Ron Paul? Perhaps they can read and do understand the Constitution.

  • Moe

    Arrest without charge or trial? This would be the most flagerant violation of the Constitution in the entire history of the United States. If this passes, we would be living in a true police state. We would have more political prisoners than all other nations combined. The very suggestion of such a thing screams for us to get rid of all present members of Congress, and impeach the President and Supreme Court. This is without regard of party. they are becomming one party. If I llived in a large city, I would leave now. Bad times are comming. The Military is prohibited from policing the U.S. except in a declared State of Emergency. Is this a set up prior to a declaration?

    • Benjamin

      I fear you are correct Moe. This may be the thing they need to declare Martial Law. What with the Occupy Protesters (funded by the Unions and such commie orgs as MoveOn ) not obeying lawful orders from police and rioting, the government has all the pieces they need to do so. Please see my post from 4:32 today.

  • Rob

    Ron Paul wants amnesty for all the 12 million aliens and Newt is a back staber he can not be trusted at all I truly think Bachman might be the right choice if you want America back if not go right a head and vote for your ass Newt or Paul and whatch America go DOWN just like I said about ObambO

  • NOZ

    THE SENATORS WHO VOTE FOR MILITARY CONTROL ARE TRAITORS TO THE CONSTITUTION AND THE UNITED STATES REPUBLIC OF AMERICA, THOSE SENATOR AND PRESIDENT WHO WANTS MILITARY STATE ARE TRAITOROUS MANCHURIAN CANIDATE.

  • http://www.americansoldierswife.com Ann Lindholm

    I think we must be very careful when sounding alarms and requesting action by our fellow citizens. We must conduct our own research with due diligence rather than merely accept at face value every article or call-to-action that is put out. Please consider looking up the text for your self and researching this before making any phone calls. You all know that I will be the first on the line of defense when it is called for.

    With all due respect, I am not finding such facts within the proposed legislation. If you actually read the text of the bill it specifically references those who supported or participated in specific enemy organizations such as Al Qaed and the Taliban, and “such” enemy forces. I believe that in sounding such an alarm based on extensions of misperceptions we are only discrediting and disfavoring ourselves. Perhaps I am incorrect in my findings, but according the actual text of the document, I do not read it to translate into “any law-abiding American citizen” to be at risk. I in fact, find myself in support of such legislation…it is about time we allow our military actually detain these bastards who are carrying out terrorist acts upon on our nation. If you can show me explicitly where it states that “any” citizen is subject to detainment without reason based on using cash, conducting research online, etc….please show me that text in the bill.

    Thanks,
    American Soldier’s Wife

    Subtitle D–Detainee Matters

    SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

    (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
    (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
    (1) *****A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.********
    (2)******* A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces. *******(Such enemy forces being those just stated above….)
    (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
    (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
    (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
    (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
    (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
    (d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
    (e) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).
    SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

    ****(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined–
    (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
    (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.********

    Furthermore:

    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    • Steve

      Ann — this is the type of thing we all should be doing to make sure we are not being led down a deceptive path. In the case of this bill I believe that the premise presented in this article is correct, and that the ultimate result of the bill, as currently written, will be the beginning of the U.S. military being made responsible, in a worldwide “battlefield” including the United States of America, for everything that is deemed a “terror threat”.

      Here is a link to the C-Span coverage of the Senate debate on this bill: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/302754-1

      If you go to about 5:30 you will see comments from Barbara Boxer, of all people, actually voicing concern that this will, in fact, open the door to American citizens being held in detention by the military. Following her is Lindsay Graham himself addressing this issue in a manner to justify the military role in detaining “terrorists” who are American citizens rather than having them fall under the jurisdiction of the existing criminal system currently in place. Even with the language you showed from the bill it appears that the key is who decides what a terrorist is and how the Executive Branch decides to implement the bill. We already have seen official letters from state agencies (e.g. Missouri) and other DHS-related offices who referred to TEA party or Christian “fundamentalists” or “Constitutionalists” as potential terrorists. Look at the comments from many in this thread as to their readiness to stand against ANY forces who try to confiscate their weapons. Is there any question that people who take a principled stand, using force if necessary to defend their property, will not be labeled as threats to the military and thus subject to indefinite detention as threats to the existing government? I believe that Graham, who was a military JAG officer, knows exactly what he is supporting and should be tarred and feathered (for starters) for lending his silver tongued legal credibilty to a necessary step toward tyranny. Politicians are not all dunderheads, and must not stand behind the “fecklessness” defense. They need to be held accountable to the American people every single time they sell themselves out to the powers that be.

  • Skeptical

    Someone please list the seditionists who authored this language, for all to see. I dont have to explain why, do I?

    • Benjamin

      Please read my post from 4:32 :)

  • Pearl P.

    I am surprised that it has taken this long for people to realize that this White House (and adm)is corrupt and will do anything to stay in power. We have only begun a long road ahead. Before too long we will be hearing patrol shoe heels on the streets. I can tell you that it is frightening. Expect anything.

  • John Hardman

    There are many millions of us veterans (my gig was the Korean War) who have taken the same oath that all Senators, Congressmen, Presidential Staff and President and other official of our Government. This oath is to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States of America from all Enemies both Foreign and DOMESTIC.
    The minute that Obama or anyone else makes any motions to enact Marshall Law these millions of Veterens from all branches of the Armed Forces will come to the aid of Country once again; and they will treat these enemies like enemies. God Bless America and Vote to clean-house in Washinton DC and where ever our enemies lurk.

  • Sadr City

    Hey, all you ignorants who elected lindsey the puss, who is mccain’s shadow and butt kisser. You better shake yourselves awake and write/call this moron. He has always been an enemy of Conservatism.
    Come on people!!Get going!! We don’t have a lot of time, so get rid of impostor and little lindsey.

    • Benjamin

      I refer you to my post from 4:32 … It’s that worm Chris Anders from the ACLU and Sen. Udall that are after our Freedom (along with Obama’s Administration and his pet Liberal Democrats)

  • daniel

    Gee, I have been wondering why obama is so smug these days. Isn’t it funny that Lindsay Graham, a republican supports it? Looks to me that a national emergency is going to be declared soon. This is only part of that ground work.
    Wasn’t the last time habaeus corpus was suspended was during the war between the states? That is in full knowledge of the garbage Woodrow Wilson pulled.

    • David Roberts

      What the heck has Lindsay been smoking? Whatever it is, he’d better stop! The Military has been forbidden, for years to arrest civilians and for good reason. All military personnel take an oath to defend the Constitution so hopefully they would defend us if a President was ignoring the Constitution and trying to take the Gov’t. over.

  • Sunseeker

    This is for all you “weenies” out there: If you want to remain free, you had better be prepared to give your life. It is time for the citizens to start arming themselves and have the courage to use them against the ensuing tyrannical punks that are out to control you. Man up or shut the hell up!

  • http://deleted Shirley Jones

    And don’t be surprised if you are one of the ones grabbed up for making comments on the internet against this admin… I will not be surprised if they knock on my door..having not one good thing to say about this President and not keeping secret that I think he is all about bringing down the USA… and guess what… I will continue to state my message… so come get me…

  • Dennis

    You hear that? Its the fat lady and she is indeed singing loud and clear.

  • DaveP326

    Didn’t we get a small sample of this in New Orleans after Katrina when the military confidcated legally owned firearms? Are they seriously considering this? Well, we voted these $h!tbags into office! Giv ‘em power and they want more. I guess it’s time to dump the incumbents and enact term limits. A law like this will cause real problems down the road.

  • Rob

    Its time for the revolution to start, and it must start NOW before its to hard to do it, So people lets get it started and start helping everyone who.s against this Goverment even the OWS I mean everyone and Quit calling everyone BUMS or their lazy because their on welfare ObambO took all the jobs away so use your head fo once people are not lazy if their protesting so anyone who puts down protesters must be a DEMOCRAP AS#

  • Rob

    America is not a republic its the United States So for those who keeps calling it a republic get out of this country NOW

    • Dawn Parrish

      Rob, you are ignorant about the founding of our country. It is a “Republic” not a “Democracy”. Pure Democracy does not work. Read your history and learn.

  • Dawn Parrish

    I cannot believe that ANY American would ever, even consider this “Hitler” law to come to our legislation for a vote! This proposed new law “spits in the face of our constitutional rights”, and cancels each and every right that makes our country America. I hope everyone realizes that this bill creates an absolute dictatorship in Washington D.C. The passage of this bill is a declaration of WAR against every american citizen by our own government. It will absolutely begin the second revolutionary war of America. American citizens will grab their guns and march on Washington to arrest each and every person who votes yes on this law for the crime of High Treason! Prepare to lock and load and march!

  • LarryFrom10EC

    If this passes there will be no 2012 elections, gauranteed. There will, however, be a Civil War.

  • http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-arrest-americans-without-charge-or-trial/#comment-318326 Tom

    ALPHAOMEGA:

    I am writing as a courtesy. I have been warning people for years about the very same things, every since the Clintons were in office and Sick Willie and his supposed wife president Hillary brought into effect the executive orders to enact the very things you are waning against. Many people have called me a liar and the few who knew that I have talked to have a strong case of denial and refuse to accept that such things are even possible, even though as a former history major in college, I can cite chapter and verse where such things have already happened in other nations. Even Abraham Linconld was guilty of suspending the U.S. Constitution and arresting thousands of American citizens prior to the Civil War, a war that contrary to public belief and the dictates of the public schools was fought not for the freedom of slaves, but rather over federal dictates and northern agression regarding trade, foreign tarriffs inflicted on U.S. states, and unfair and unequal taxation by the federal government. Slavery only came into the picture when Washington was on the verge of falling and France and England had decided to come to the aid of the South with men and war materials to help the newly formed non-industrial sovereign nation defend itself. As nations that did not support slavery at that time, Lincoln was able to wave his Emancipation Proclimation at them and claim to be releasing the slaves as a part of the reason for his forcing a war that should not have otherwise occurred. This ploy worked in keeping these nations out of the conflict, even though a complete reading of the proclimation combined with the reality that the South was at that time in fact a sovereign nation unto itself and that Lincoln had no say or business involving himself in this nation, would reveal that the proclimation in actuality freed not a single person. So much for the myth of “honest Abe.” Those purportedly freed ended up having to go on through the northern states all the way to Canada before they could truly obtain their freedom. The truly messed up thing about all of this was that slavery was dying out as a viable tool of industry at the time the Civil War occurred. Left alone, it was doomed to dissapper as it had already done in other nations by then.

    As to the events we have both warned about, it is very evident with this regime and under this fake president, that what you suggest could become a very certain reality. Obama and his cronies have already been suggesting and calling for the delay or end to elections for “the good of the people” as they have put it. Many of the people in this republic seem determined to depend upon the same old means of redress, the judiciary process or elections to save them. I believe we have seen ample evidence that they are sadly mistaken given the fact that the federal government which has a great deal of contempt and disdain for the citizenry had repeatedly demonstrated these processes are wholly owned and manipulated by them at will ant that they jointly see the citizens not as their employers, but rather as an annoyance to submit to the federal (aka obama’s) will. We are a commoditiy to be manipulated, used and discarded at the federal government’s whim. This said, I would tend to believe that the only rational means to effectively seek redress and have any possibility of success would be either through the lawful means left in the U.S. Constitution that have, as yet, not been obliterated. This being through secession, but not the states from these United States of America, but rather These United States of America via the voting citizens (as any and all government officials cannont be trusted to do so without coopting the action and its results due to their connections through politics and crooked maneuverings to the puppeteers currently pulling this regime’s strings) seceeding from the crooks, thugs, forein nationals and internal enemies that currently make up the federal government. Eventual reunification might be possible, but only after those currently in the government federal (and likely states) regime correct the crisis they are jointly creating, letting them be responsible for the debt and wongs they have and are currently creating without the voters’ permission and after this republic has been fully and completely restored to the nation our founding fathers created without their huge government beurocracy, the many executive orders and assorted self-appointed powers and privilages, with the power and sovereignty removed from the federal government forever and returned to the citizens as exercised through our appointed state government employees and fully answerable to us. No more lies. No more deceptions or delusions of grandeur. No more arrogance or double-dealing the citizens to other governments, permitting illegal intrusions at will, or hiding from us what we should have known regarding government operations or dealings long ago. The maintenance of our military, preservation of our U.S. Constitution, rights, freedoms, liberties and our republic while pursuing the fruits of our labor and just and rightful freedom to learn, grow and establish such pursuits as might be befitting a free and decent people who would seek a better life and world for ourselves and for any who would value the same. Those enemies such as the muslim islamic scum who would subvert and destroy us, self serving nations that would manipulate and use us rather than peacefully cooperate with us for mutual benefit or who would seek to enslave us can all go rot along with those before them like Mohammad in what ever version of hell the believe exists. They can also take their thugs and cronies here in the U.S.A. with them. (Examples inclued (in my opinion) Hamas, the PLO, Muslim Brotherhood and Sisterhood, CAIR, the Communist party (aka Marxists), and all other wouldbe tyrants and dictators). We do not want or need you, ever. The muslim Caliphate sought through islamic jihad is just so much filth and should forever wallow in the cesspool of the islamic swine stye nightmare from which it and Mohammad were spawned.

  • http://yahoomail Tom Gill

    People,people,stop voting for someone only because you think they can beat Obama.Vote for the person who puts America first,supports liberty and the constitution!!Aren’t you getting tired of going to the polls and holding your nose when you pull the lever?Stop with this nonsense of not voting for someone because he/she might loose!With attitudes like that THEY WILL LOOSE.Then you get the same ole,same ole stale crap with a different face,but the BS is the same.We are at a crossroad,the democrats AND republicans are out to get you,destry your freedoms,ruin your childrens lives,and quite possibly kill you if they deem you no longer productive…THE GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM,that includes both parties!!What have we come to?You can’t utter Jesus,God or anything Christian in this country anymore.We are not free,and we are not being told the truth buy ANYONE…..It started with the dictator Lincoln(yes read real history,not government propoganda) and has gotten worse through out time.What do we do?Vote?Vote for who?

  • amsense08

    Didnt’ say who sponsored the bill, but I’m sure we can guess. I’m sure the military is as uncomfortable about this as we are. They have sworn to uphold the constitution. This will create a conflict. They cannot uphold the constitution and arrest an American citizen on American soil. Outside of that, one crazy president will get some military folks killed for politics. Not a smart move. You can easily see that standard military protocol is wide open to rogue, “uncordinated”, group attack. They will not have the heart to do this action. It actually might backfire on the administration.

    • George Houchens

      Bill was sponsored by Carl Levin and John McCain. Talk about an unholy duo!

  • Ken Green

    Funny thing all the comments blaming Obama. Senator John McCain is the author of this bill. He would have continued and increased George Bush’s usurpation of your fundamental rights.

  • http://braynstorms.com Braynstorms

    I must confess, I am proud of the sentiment I read in these comments. Everyone must stop assuming that other Americans are the enemy. We must be confident that most Americans love freedom and want to protect it. This is not about education – it is about action. We need a plan. I have one. Let’s get to work – elect independents and put the plan to action.

    http://braynstorms.com/2011/09/a-simple-sound-stable-economic-plan/

  • Don White

    There comes a time when even the reticent or timid must draw a line. Obama is now a dictator and he would love nothing better than to have the Senate of the United States allow him, as commander in theft, to have the armed services arrest American private citizens and put them in Gitmo, in confinement on military bases, or just kill them on the spot–no trial, no habeas corpus.

    The Constitution means nothing these days–to Republican presidential candidates (Except Ron Paul) and to our socialistic/Marxist president Barak Obama. But none of the seven GOP candidates can win a debate over Obama on his failure to live up to the Constitution that he swore on a Bible to obey and protect unless they are willing to go all the way, and they’re not.

    If you heard the last debate (on national security) you saw that famous war hawk Mitt Romney lead the way–and everyone but Ron Paul followed like obedient Constitution breakers. I am totally disgusted at what I see in these other candidates. Living according to the law doesn’t concern them in national security issues and they excuse themselves by arguing we are in a state of war. No, we’re not! Congress hasn’t declared war on any country since World War II.

    If and when Congress decides to declare war, we can then say we are in a state of war. America is at war, but none of it has been declared, so you could say all of these police actions have been totally unlawful and certainly incompetent. Oh, those GOP hopefuls prance around like they know what they’re doing in wartime situations. But the facts are that only two of them ever served in the military–Rick Perry and Ron Paul

    Mitt Romney is the most incompetent person around and vastly over-rated. He has been brainwashed by the generals and heads of the military complex. The difference between him and his dad George Romney fifty years ago is that Mitt knows better. George stupidly admitted following a trip to Viet Nam that the generals “brain washed me.” Mitt, however, knows what he is doing. He is play acting as a hawk because, somehow, he thinks this is what the American people want. Boy, has he misjudged the mind of the people. If our warriors are any indication of America’s disgust with these wars, Ron Paul should win the election handily. He gets more money from our troops than all the others combined.

    And Newt Gingrich is a former womanizer–now on his third marriage–who was thrown out of Congress for improprieties, despised by the American electorate for five decades, made rich by selling his species and questionable expertise to the Pentagon, war materiel companies and Freddie and Fannie–information that backfired and helped us get into this financial morass.

    Can you imagine a person like Newt becoming president. Has the American electorate gone mad? The only totally good man out there is Ron Paul. He is right that we–a bankrupt nation–should not be signing up for more trillion-dollar wars; he is right about our need to get back to living the Constitution; he is right on when he talks about every one of his 50 principles for saving the nation in his book “Liberty Defined,” a book writer/author Don White has paraphrased and shortened in his own “Patriot Call of Ron Paul” now available at Amazon and Barnes. Anyone would be stupid to vote for anyone but Congressman Paul. He’s the smartest, the most American, the kindest, the most capable of fixing our economic problems.
    It sounds laughable, especially after Operation Fast and Furious, but according to a letter issued by John R Spencer, Chief of Firearms Technology Branch of the ATF, the copper scrubbing pad may be used as part of a gun silencer and as such falls under ATF jurisdiction.

    Someone had their attorney inquire about repairs they wanted to make to a registered silencer for a .22 caliber rifle. In the request for information from the ATF, the attorney wrote,

    “Does sound/gas absorbing materials manufactured from Chore Boy copper clean pads, along with fiberglass insulation, constitute a silencer part as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(24)?”

    In the response, ATF chief Spencer replied,

    “Yes. Gas/sound-absorbing material is the same as a baffle in that it is designed to reduce/trap hot gases within the expansion tube to allow cooling before they are released from the silencer, subsequently reducing sound…Replacement of any component part or parts of a registered silencer, other than a silencer wipe, would be a violation of the NFA if performed by a non-licensed manufacturer.”

    According to the ATF, the gun owner should follow proper procedure and file an application with the ATF for the repair and pay a $200 tax. The letter went on to warn against the stockpiling of Chore Boy scrubbers or similar sound absorbing materials that could be used in gun silencers.

    Well, let’s see, I’ve seen steel wool, tennis balls, pillows, fiber glass insulation, batting material used in quilts and other similar materials used in making silencers for rifles and handguns. Does that mean the ATF intends to regulated the stockpiling of tennis balls or batting for sewing? I guess my wife is due for a visit from the ATF as she purchases batting by the bulk roll for all of her quilting.

    If you believe that the ATF regulation against stocking up on Chore Boy is ridiculous, then consider some of the other things the ATF has done in recent years.

    In one of their rulings, the agency declared that sales of 14 inch long shoestrings should be regulated under federal gun law since they could be used to make a gun into a machinegun. In a letter signed by Sterling Nixon, Chief, Firearms Technology Branch, it read,

    “As you may be aware, the National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b), defines ‘machinegun’ to include the following:

    …any weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. This term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person [bolding added].

    In 1996, FTB examined and classified a 14-inch long shoestring with a loop at each end. The sting was attached to the cocking handle of a semiautomatic rifle and was looped around the trigger and attached to the shooter’s finger. The device caused the weapon to fire repeatedly until finger pressure was released from the string. Because this item was designed and intended to convert a semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun, FTB determined that it was a machinegun as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b).”

    A couple years ago, the ATF actually seized a toy gun that shot plastic BBs because they said that someone could retool the toy into a real gun with minimal effort. However, the minimal retooling would consist of replacing the trigger assembly, upper and lower receivers, bolt and the barrel. Basically, it meant rebuilding the entire gun with only using the stock from the toy gun.

    So at the same time the ATF was arming the Mexican drug cartels with hundreds of weapons, other members of the ATF were busy trying to regulate shoestrings, copper Chore Boy scrubbers and toy guns. Yes, siree, the efficiency of our federal government never fails to amaze me.

    Read more: Kitchen Scrubbing Pads to be Regulated by ATF? | Godfather Politics http://godfatherpolitics.com/2295/copper-scrubbing-pads-to-be-regulated-by-atf/#ixzz1f2VMrTEX http://tiny.cc/jz352

    • Steve

      Impressive post!! Thanks for the information and keen insights, Don.

  • James Barrs

    There are a few military commanders who will love this. EVERY American NEEDS to contact their Senators & Reps & let them know that we oppose this legislation. It must never get off the ground.

  • Dawn Parrish

    This bill gives Obama the legal authority to arrest, detain and imprison any and all political oppostion, supress our freedom of speech and end all elections, forever. Creating a perminate communist dictatorship with comrade Obama as Emperor. This bill is nothing short of a coup d’ tat of America. If this bill so much as makes it to the senate floor, our second revolutionary war will begin, as it should. At this point each and every member of our military must make their decision who’s side they will be on before the firing starts. I hope they choose god and country over Obama and communism.

  • Jerry

    I think the House of Representatives is going to have something to say about this! The Senate with scarry reid is not making very much sense! zero is probably getting his homos ready to have two women in the family being mom and dad! Never know what this idiot is doing

  • n2trophies

    How did s1867 get through the house. This is the same mintality the Nazi’s had in the 1930′s. How do I know I lived during that time.The Brown Shirts or Storm Troopers ran through a community arresting enyone who spoke against Hilter. Today we have the union thugs taking the place of the Storm Troopers. There was a night of broken glass when the Nazis went through the business and broke all the windows of the Jews. Will the Christians be their next target?

  • Moe

    This is like looking at a row of dominoes being set up to fall. All the dominoes must be set in exacting placement for the last one to fall.
    *Economic emergency mentioned by the President. So stated about a month ago by Obama.
    *Civil disobediency and far reaching unrest. In progress backed by Obama using the “Occupy” demonstrations.
    *Legislational approval to use Military forces to police, arrest and imprison Citizens without trial. This piece of legislation in progress.
    * Confiscation and registration of all firearms for future confiscation as was done in Europe prior to WWII. At this time, all civilian ammunition is manufactured with experation dates, after which the primer will disolve rendering the ammo useless.
    *Presidential Declaration of a State of Emergency for the economy and civil unrest (please noter that the excuses used are products of political actions. Congress is out of session. Elections are suspended. Martial Law is declared. Under Martial law, lethal force is authorized for all infractions. At this point, the U.S. Supreme Court is the only body that can oppose or regulate Presidential actions. How much do you trust the Supreme Court?

    A dynasty has begun, built on political promisses that will never come to fruition, and the Citizens sill suffer. The stage is set right now and an artificial escallation is in the making, possibly executed in 2012.

    Read and understand the implications of the socond paragraph of the Declaration of Independance.

    I fully expect to be among the first wave of arrests to be made although I have never committed a crime or advocated anything except peaceful solutions.

  • LT

    Well, it seriously looks like the aristocrats in the liberal cities have take a page out time from the King of England when the colonist were trying to work within the legal frameworks but had to take up armed resistance. We may well be on the runaway train to another US Civil War. Think of the worldwide implications! You may have thought the Great Depression was very bad time in US and world history, then wait until this happens!

  • TheThinMan

    Me thinks this is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. For those talking about martial law – perhaps you are correct – and the Republicans will give it to him on a silver platter.

  • Robert

    We have got to wake up this is Germany. In the 30s and 40s all you have tod do is read a little WW2 hist.

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  • TheThinMan

    @PASSTHEWORD says: November 28, 2011 at 1:32 pm
    “There is a storm coming, but not the kind you are speaking about.. The question will be where will the military stand in all this… GOD HELP THE USA..”

    Why, tell me one good reason why GOD should or would help the US of A? Because we have “In God we Trust” on our currency and coin? Because he said six days shalt though labor and do all they work and on the seventh rest, and neither thy man servant, nor thy maid servant, nor thy ox nor thy ass, nor the stranger that is within thy gates shall do any work? Come on, please tell my why you think God should help the United States that is now openly, in law and in it’s courts, throwing God out, chasing after Islam and MONEY. Please, please, tell me why God should not let the United States reap the fruit from the seed it has sown?

  • Doff D. Trolio

    Their is 1/3 of Americans that will not let this happen without a fight. A rag tag Army kicked the strongest army in the world out of the USA in the 1770,s if these dirt bags thinks for a mila instant that we cannot defend our freedom they have another though comming. The Declaration says nothing about voteing them out it says whenever any form of Goverment becomes destructive of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness< it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new form of Goverment. The King of England had less power than those dirt bags in D. C. Granted 1/3 of the Americans are asleep and 1/3 are just plain leaches or illigals withe their hands out for a free ride. That is the way it had been from the start. The other 1/3 is the meanest, toughes, and the fightingest people on earth peroid. Let hem not forget what happened on Kings Mountian. Those Over The Mountian Men had broke from Englan 4 years before 1776. They had fought Indians for 20 years. Talk is cheap folks ACTION is real. I am ready to die for my freedom are you or are just full of wind.

  • http://ConservativeByte Wyoming Minuteman

    By looking at some of the comments on this page, we’re in deep doo-doo! Talk about misdirecting the rage, and direction. People, do you not “get” what is happening right in front of our faces? They know we don’t trust them, as the sub-zero approval ratings prove. They know we know that the behavior shown by them is totally un-constitutional, as well as immoral, but they really don’t care anymore. They have become the “enemy’s” of our country! There are currently 536 traitors occupying our government, either by direct involvement, or by collusion! Let us pray that our sons and daughters won’t follow these illegal and immoral people, that are hell bent on destroying our nation. We must prepare for the worst case scenario, and this, our homeland, will be the final battlefield! Semper Fi!

  • Stan M

    Before anyone goes off the deep end, they should READ THE BILL.

    It’s available at http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867pcs/pdf/BILLS-112s1867pcs.pdf

    Page 362 of this document specifically says that the provisions for military detention do not apply to US citizens and legal resident aliens.

  • Jody Wolfe

    It would have to be defined as to what would trigger The Military to make such arrest. If Martial Law was implimented and 98% of American Citizens obeyed and 2% didn’t meaning that 2% would be the bad guy’s…
    Who wouldn’t want protection from 60,000-100,000 idiots robbing, raping, terrorizing, burglarizing the 98% who wants to obey the law???

    On the other hand of that 98% who did obey the law and 18-22% or 50 Million of those can and would protect themselves because they also have weapons then this could create some sort of a problem as a whole…

    Congress could vote America into a Civil War that would otherwise never have happened. My personla opinion this is part of Obama moving rapidly toward Socialism..

    Most of The Military would not go against The Constitution but if they did, then we fight.

    jody

  • Mel

    Maybe we should vote in an illegal for President, Oh, we already did!!!

    • prezelect

      Hi Mel, Know what, that was my name for 77 years, but as of the 21st of this month a judge has declared my name to be that of my ancestor one Benjamin Franklin so that God willing I will lead this nation into a more abundant and brighter future, have a blessed day Mel.

  • Dawn Parrish

    This brings to mind an old quote. From Thomas Jefferson. He laminated; “The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patroits and tyrants from time to time…..

  • Robert H. Goetz, Sr.

    This Bill is the brainchild of the democrats, introduced by Carl Levin (democrat Michigan). Presently there are no co-sponsors… http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:s.1867: Is anyone surprised that a democrat would write this Bill? It would give Obama “Dictatorial” powers! Camps have been under construction since 1992. Many are manned and ready.

  • dragonfFIRE01

    it is interesting to note that one of the sponsors IS FROMER PRESINTIAL CANDIDATE JOH McCAIN !!!!!!

  • M

    Guys, if you think any one party is responsible for this trend. The PATRIOT Act was passed by a Republican Congress, and GWB oversaw the NSA collecting the phone records of every single American. After that got out and the lawsuits started, a Democratic Congress retroactively made it legal. Members of both parties are responsible for this march toward a police state. Stop looking at this as a partisan issue, and start looking at which politicians support civil liberties and which don’t. And I’m sorry, but you can’t pick and choose which liberties you support or who is or isn’t entitled to them. That’s how they’re taken away. They say you’ll never need this or that liberty, or, don’t worry, we aren’t taking it from you, just that other person or group you don’t think deserves it anyway.

  • prezelect

    Alright America I am back to continue my comments as to my plan to bring our country back to an even keel and gain back the respect of other nations who have been Kow-Towed to by our change and hope so called president. His change is for a predominately homosexual government body and his hope is for tyrannical rule over us. Today I further escalated my name change to that of my ancestor Benjamin Franklin with a driver’s license bearing that name for Voteocracy to put Ben’s plan before millions of Americans on facebook and twitter.
    As our forefathers instruct us to oust a form of government harming the people and install a new form. With your help we can initiate a form of selection, not election that will have no need of the electoral college, the biggest political crooks. In this manner, those in their peak both physically and mentally age group of 30 to 50 the first year may or someone else can submit their name to their district office where as thousands of names will be entered if not millions. Year two they will be screened by a panel of clergy to eject all undesirables. Year three tested by experts in all fields with process of elimination to arrive with one person from each state. These fifty in year four will enter a large chamber and each to a cubicle with computer and video-cam. Computer has another series of tests more stringent than previously taken, video cam is for eyes of world to pan cubicles to view facial expressions and body movements of those being tested. Highest scorer is new president with each lessening of scores to fill new government cabinet. The forty nine will have access to a large computer bank and they will be advisors and afilliates to the president. None will have a personal staff.
    Benjamin Franklin during those four years will, with out a salary put America back on course. First to obliterate Obamacare and since we are not in Russia dump the czars. Next we ” can” T.S.A., E.P.A., N.E.A. and any other agency not performing a real service. Everyone will be placed on a 13% flat tax. Make a million, pay 13%, make a thousand, pay 13% , no tax shelters or credits. If you are being paid a wage, you pay taxes. This will result in approximately an 80% reduction in the I.R.S. compliment with an option to continue working in uniform with U.S. troops returned from policing countries unwarranted to police our own borders against illegal entry.
    To countries the present administration has indebted us to for billions of dollars, inform them that what has been received is partial payment of what they owe us from WWII and to write it off. And, to those corporations that took advantage of us through NAFTA to utilize slave labor leaving minimal employment here that if they manufacture in other countries, they sell their products in other countries, not here and if they opt to return and pay the American worker a decent living wage, they are welcome. Where there is oil, drill and some of the more abundant petroleum properties are federally owned going against the constitution whereas the government is not to own property other than property deemed by the American people to be a National park or monument. All other such properties will be auctioned to the highest private American buyer, no foreign entities allowed.
    Upon learning that the United Nations are the issuers of social security numbers and have complete domination over the I.M.F. and the I.R.S. with American taxpayers picking up the major funding for it’s existence and that now it consist mainly of Islamic nations who would enslave us, I feel it time to pull the plug along with our hard earned tax dollars funding these Godless Idol worshipers and turn over to U.S. agencies activities that should be performed by them such as the issuance of S.S. numbers by the Social Security Administration. It is no wonder illegals are able to draw benefits with out ever having worked here. However, I do feel that those having lived here for a period of five years and are contributing to our nation to be schooled for a period of six months on U.S. History, cultures and our language and then sworn in as American citizens. Refusals to be deported with families.
    Welfare to be enacted by certain churches in each community with subsidization from the government for those who are qualified by a physician appointed by the church, all others advised to seek employment. (There will be some exceptions) Mr. Franklin will serve his four years to implement his plan and when his term has expired, put a petition on the internet for America to sign to resign the two party system on a National level while maintaining on local and state levels to preserve a balance. This action will send the career politicians packing making way for fifty honest people being groomed to lead the people, not rule with salary approved by the people to a more abundant and brighter future and at the end of their four years receive a generous severance package making room for next 50 being groomed.

    • rafael

      Before we send politicians packing they should be arrested and prosecuted for treason ,corruption, etc….etc….and confiscate all they have accrued: properties, bank accounts, mansions, vehicles, air craft and released to live under a bridge.
      RETIREES and VETERANS CAN RUN THE COUNTRY FOR 2 YEARS TERM and for FREE; NO MORE D.C; THE CAPITOL WILL BE MOVED TO CENTRAL U.S. for EASY ACCESS TO ALL AMERICANS. ALL MUSLIM EXPELLED AND SO ILLEGALS.

      • prezelect

        Rafael, what you espouse is unrealistic, what people have accrued by legal means cannot be taken as you suggest, this is not Nazi Germany. Just booting them out of office to make room for honest God fearing citizens to lead is punishment enough. you want retirees to run the country, most retirees do well to remember to remember, most are not in good health and rely heavily on the medical establishment to keep them moving. When I attempt to tell seniors about natural products that promote good health I usually get the retort that they will ask their doctor about it. Doctors don’t heal or cure, they arrest and treat to line their pockets. My last check up found my cholesterol to be a little high, but my caregiver at the V.A. who would prescribe lepitor for others knowing I will not ingest any drugs instead prescribed for me what he takes to lower his cholesterol, holding up his cup that contained cinnamon tea. Note I said V.A., I am a 70% disabled Korea Vet and one of my penchants is to wear my Korea cap with my various campaign pins to remind others that we are not the “Forgotten Vets” as portrayed by the media. Not to mention it has saved me a pile of money as out of seven times in the past two years I was sporting my cap when stopped for speeding and only received a warning and a thank you for my service, the other two times, I was not wearing it and was ticketed. My other idiosyncrasy is Hawaiian shirts that have more or less become my trademark and I will wear my Korea cap and a colorful shirt every day I serve as President of this nation. I will however keep my brogans off of the priceless furniture in the white house which seems to be Obama’s penchant to stretch his skinny legs to enable his big feet to mar every piece of furniture around him that belongs to the people. One more thing, we can’t expel anyone, Muslim or otherwise who have come here under the auspices of our legal system, only those who came in under the radar can we put the boot to. Laying all comments aside my friend, have a GOD filled blessed day.

  • time traveller

    I cannot believe this, and people think the tea party, and all the conspiracy people are over the top ? If this isn’t the proverbial writing on the wall telling us we’re heading up %$!# creek
    without a paddle, then we’re already dead and just don’t know it.

  • Dawn Parrish

    In 1776 Benjamin Franklin was leaving the building after signing the declaration of Independance. A woman approached him and asked; “Mr. Franklin, what type of government have you given us”? He replied, “A Republic, let us see how long you can keep it”? Well, it looks like we now know the answer to his question…

    • prezelect

      Hello Dawn, Benjamin Franklin now wants to give you a new form of government, selection not election of, for and by the American people. I am a paid member of the Tea-Party and can only hope I have their full backing on this endeavor to put this nation back on an even keel and to regain the respect of other nations Obama has diligently destroyed. I am not a nut case, I have my full faculties and am sick and tired of seeing our great nation brought to ruin. When I saw a young wall street protester defecating on old Glory, my flag, it sickened me to my stomach and especially so when others just stood and watched. This is the fault of those who turned and looked the other way when a demonic woman managed to have GOD removed from classrooms. These protesters were Obamas answer to the Tea Party to spread despair as well as the stench of human waste in city parks built for the enjoyment of the people. So now you might say we have the Tea Party versus the Pee Party vying for recognition. Anyway Dawn, if you have read my plan and hopefully in agreement with same, It will be greatly appreciated that you will pass it on as GOD willing, I will be your next president with your assist. Have a blessed day.

  • http://www.charter.net HTCM USN James Graham

    Worth your time!

    Guess our
    national leaders didn’t expect this, hmm? On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the
    father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in
    Littleton , Colorado , was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee’s
    subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special
    session of Congress was painfully truthful.
    > They were not prepared for what he was to
    say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every
    teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every
    so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are
    powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent
    this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of
    the transcript:

    “> Since the dawn of creation there has been both good
    & evil
    in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the
    seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and
    the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died
    must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

    > “The first recorded act of
    violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain
    was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club
    Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could
    only be found in Cain’s heart.

    > “In the days that followed
    the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be
    pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a
    hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA
    - because I don’t believe that they are responsible for my daughter’s death.
    Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they
    had anything to do with Rachel’s murder I would be their strongest
    opponent.

    > I am here today to declare that
    Columbine was not just a tragedy — it was a spiritual event that should be
    forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here
    in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the
    accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my
    feelings best. >
    Your laws ignore our deepest needs,

    > Your words are empty air.

    > You’ve stripped away our heritage,

    > You’ve outlawed simple prayer.
    > Now gunshots fill our classrooms,

    > And precious children die.

    > You seek for answers everywhere,

    > And ask the question “Why?”

    > You regulate restrictive laws,

    > Through legislative creed.

    > And yet you fail to
    understand,
    > That God is what we
    need!

    ” >
    Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and
    spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create
    a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc.
    Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for
    most of our nation’s history. Many of our major colleges began as theological
    seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation?
    We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred
    and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine’s tragedy occurs –
    politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They
    immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away
    our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
    Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of
    gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre.
    The real villain lies within our own hearts. > “As my son Craig lay under that table in the
    school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did
    not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that
    right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to
    realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought
    back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be
    in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for
    legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To
    those of you who would point your finger at the NRA — I give to you a
    sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your

    > own heart before casting the first
    stone! > My daughter’s death will not be
    in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to
    happen!”

    Darrell
    Scott
    > Do what the media did not – - let the nation
    hear this man’s speech. Please send this out to everyone you can. God Bless

  • Douglas W. Williams

    I remember saying that things like this were coming fast to America, way back in 2009. FEW WOULD BELIEVE ME! Why do people wait until the last ticking second to get concerned and then cry for something to be done. I guess more people ought to read HISTORY BOOKS; they are somewhat like those old round lifesavers that get thrown out to drowning victims. However, in the political light of pending doom, many who are drowning refuse to grab on to fact and reason. INSTEAD, THEY INSANELY BELIEVE THE OCEAN WILL DRY UP BEFORE THE WATERS OF TREACHERY PULL THEM UNDER!!!

  • G Schmidt

    We are not currently in any peril to justify that. Keep an eye who votes for it in the Senate

    Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
    Benjamin Franklin

    • prezelect

      Well, another quote from my ancestral uncle, definitely not a man of few words. He read a lot and wrote a lot including comments in the family bible that was purloined a few years ago. I am sure he knew that book from cover to cover and more than likely gleaned many of his ideas from it. Probably from his writings to others gave him the idea of Post Master General to bring to fruition the U.S. Postal Service. I have read many of his sayings, but don’t ask me to quote as my memory isn’t all that acute now. As of the 21st of this month, I now bear his name for political purposes and have hopes of making it more revered world wide. Have a pleasant day.

      Benjamin Franklin

  • ALPHAOMEGA

    You say it reads in Part B that it exempts citizens. But always subject to interpretation. Do you
    think that stopped HITLER. Do you think it would stop HOLDER OR OBAMA?????????

  • Dawn Parrish

    We have an extreamly capable law enforcement community in place throughout the United States. Including the F.B.I., Homeland Security, D.E.A., etc. Until al-Qaida, or the Taliban actually invades the U.S. with thousands of operatives, we have no need of taking the drastic steps of authorizing our military to act as “police officers” within the U.S. This is an extreamly dangerous power to give any President or his Generals. Our military within our borders must remain unarmed without any “civilian authority of arrest”. Our federal government cannot be trusted with the power they now have. We must not give them any more. We have allowed a “Frankenstein Monster” to arise in Washington D.C.. We must “shrink” it quickly as it is out of control.

  • steve

    Posse Comitatus makes this illegal. Screw lindsey graham. the U.S.is not a battlefield.

    • Steve

      Believe it or not, it was George W. Bush who was at the helm when the concept of Posse Comitatus was quietly put away. I believe it was the Military Commissions Act but may be mistaken; in any case it is easily searchable. What a surprise that there was almost no media coverage of such a critical legal sea change regarding the use of our military to have police powers over the citizens. Now the other shoe drops with Gumby (Mr. politically malleable) Graham working in tandem with war hero and political disgrace McCain to put the military (against their will) in charge when it comes to “military threats” in the United States itself. Both parties are contributing to the mess we are in, whether financial, legal, or political, which is why we need politicians who will not sell themselves out for power and influence. God help this nation!

  • Scott

    Funny how everyone reads this and comes out against Obama. If you actually paid attention you would see that it is the Republicans that are sponsoring this bill and pushing it through the Senate. Obama has actually come out against the bill and supports Posse Comitatus.

    • rafael

      WAKE UP SCOTT; YOU NEED TO CHECK WHAT IS POSSE COMITATUS;
      Please No offence meant to you; but check it.

    • CHAS

      Scott,
      no one is blaming Obama. and where does it say the Republicans intro’d this legislation.
      Says the Senate, which is Democratic controlled, is voting on it.

  • Guy Blanchard

    Transparency right?Socialism has begun in America. Its wake up time. stop voting for muslims to lead us.

  • Guy Blanchard

    Buy silver to trade for food in the coming years. Find a fresh water source and get as self sufficient as possible.Transparency remember?Stop the obama led democrats now…About that fake live birth paper. Where is the real birth certificate?Can we all say(AMERICA HAS BEEN SOLDOUT)?

  • Freedom 1776

    The end of freedom as we know it no more bill of rights or freedom of speech. Peaceful change my be lost as a option.

    I n f o w a r s dot c o m

  • Joe

    If the government ever alllows the military to arrest citizens that would be permitting a police state ..what would be next take away our rights to bear arms .. like every dicator has done like Hitler, Stalin,

  • Ralph P

    This is nothing less than preparation to declare martial law. It is sad when congress will pass a law to allow the military to arrest an american citizen but our so called government will not allow our law officers to arrest or deport illegal immigrants. If you do not call your senator or senators then you deserve to be arrested.

  • http://purplerose59@hotmail.com T.L. Bursott

    I am for voting out everyone that is currently (supposedly) servicing the American People as an Elected Official in Washington D.C. (since Barack Obama was elected, there has not been one bill pasted that I am for) and put in ALL NEW Personal who are lower or middle class salary (I am extremely tired of the Rich being in Office). Everyone who is currently in Office has enough money they do not need to draw Unemployment like the rest of the unemployed American People and they can Pay for their OWN Security Service. They do not need the Secret Service Security Personal that the Taxpayers/Voters pay for. The Totally NEW Elected Officials can go over every bill that has been pasted for the last 4 to 8 years and decide which ones (or parts) make since and which ones (or parts) should be reversed.

    • prezelect

      Hello T.L, with the system I advocate, it all falls to the honest intellectuals be they rich or poor to make up a sincere government body that will lead not dictate. It will be a system of selection not election from thousands if not millions of pursuers to form a new government body as we are instructed to do by our forefathers in the Declaration of Independence. One honest person from each state to be selected and to lead in this age of computers with banks of computers into an abundant and brighter future. This will also eliminate the need for the biggest crooks in politics, the Electoral College. Have a blessed day.

      Benjamin Franklin

  • Randy

    NO!!! This can NOT be allowed to happen!!! This is going to be the end of the freedom Americans enjoy. Obama has been wanting his own military to use against the American people, this is the way he will get it. I almost feel like I should be writing an obituary for the U.S.A.

  • http://conservitivebytes george k morrison………with a bad case of red ass

    this could only be the work of barack obama and harry reid nobody else could treat other american taxpayers like this…………….its pure nazi tactics and is also pure stupidity,these fools as well as anyone else that supports this nonsemse should be voted out of office and never allowed to return

    • citizenbychoice

      This is not just Nazi it is communism as well. Just look at N Korea, China and all the rest of the dictatorship countries in the world.

  • raygun

    It sounds like the politicians want a populist uprising from the local rebels. Same thing happened in the 1770s, if I remember my history.

  • Al Duhan

    Thanks for your insight. Most folks don’t understand how fundamentally conservative newt Gingrich is. He understands the role the Constitution is supposed to play in protecting our liberties, the rights of our states and the special character and values that make this nation a beacon to all mankind. Good for you!

  • Bags

    If this doesn’t ice the cake for the Obama bum’s rush out of power, what will? This President has abused his power and office from Day 1, and it will only get worse if the American people, in their insanity elect this clown to a second term. May God have mercy on us all.

  • Al Duhan

    This editor really sucks. He must be burried up Pbama’s Butt

  • littledee

    No Ron Paul is not a Jew hater. When are you people going to get your head out of the sand. Israel was not formed for the Jews, Jesus lineage. It was formed for the Zionist. They are the Jew haters. Go to You Tube Look up The words ‘Jewish’ and Zionism’ are interchangeable? NO WAY
    Go ahead I dare you to learn the truth. The truth is we are fighting NWO. Who do you think they are Zionist.
    And no Ron Paul does not want to legalize drugs, just get rid of the drug war on drugs threw the federal government. Your state has the right to put a law against the drugs. Not federal government. If you knew the constitution you would know this. Get some education

    • prezelect

      Hi Little Dee, you are one smart cookie, It will be the “New Jerusalem” not the New Israel” that will be Christs Earthly Kingdom. Let the Zionists have their Israel as it will perish along with them. Ron Paul is an intelligent man and has some insight as to what is needed, but I believe that our forefathers had the right idea in instructing us to install a new form of government and put the boot to the old form. In 1964 I aspired to go into politics with several wealthy backers, but was shot down by T.B. and as I lay on my back for four months reading about the corruption in just this century alone, I decided to look for work when released from the V.A. Medical Center. Now however, with nights of waking to pen ideas so as not to forget them the following morning I have renewed my interest in some form of politics, but as a statesman not a dyed in the wool politician. GOD willing with the assist of the American people I will serve four years without a salary to put this nation back on an even keel and gain back the respect of other nations. Have a blessed day.

      Benjamin Franklin

  • Randy

    Actually, after I made my last post I found the actual bill and read it. Page 362 states that a U.S. citizen can not be held;
    15 (b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS
    16 AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS.—
    17 (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS.—The require18
    ment to detain a person in military custody under
    19 this section does not extend to citizens of the United
    20 States.

  • CONSERVATIVE DUDE

    I will go with Senator Lindsey Graham on this. He is in the JAG and understands the law.

    • Sam

      You obviously do not know Lindsey Graham! He really DOES NOT understand the law and is one of those who desires to make laws in retaliation of his own South Carolina citizens. He is a R.I.N.O. ! What else do you not understand about this guy? I just returned from 2 weeks in Australia and haven’t kept up with this piece of legislation, so don’t know who supports or is against it, but will bet you John McCain and other R.I.N.O.’s support it. They all try to butcher our Constitution in the name of legality.

  • littledee

    Also us Ron Paul supporters get this way because we are trying very hard to teach you something but you turn a blind eye away from it. And also Ron Paul is a true REPUBLICAN. If you knew the history of the party, you would know this is the way that they believed. We walked away from the whig party and now we are walking away from the Republican party. We have voted your way for such along time and where has that gotten us. Democrats calling themselves republicans. WAKE UP. You are all sound asleep and when you do wake up it is going to be too late. These wars are for the NWO. They are putting fear into you. Ron Paul is for a very strong defense and also wants to close our borders. So yes we must make sure that we put true people in the house and senate.

  • littledee

    Yes I remember Newt, and yes he understands the constitution very well. So he sounds real smart doesn’t he. Guess he will turn on you again if he gets elected just like he did before. Talk a good game and turned on us.

  • littledee

    Proverbs 20, 18 Every purpose is established by council: and with good advice make war.
    James 3, 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
    Psalms 68, 30 Rebuke the company of spear-men, the multitude of the bulls, with the calves of the people, till everyone submit himself with pieces of silver; scatter thou the people that delight in war.
    Where is our military. Scattered around the world in other nations. Where is our money going?
    These verses tell you where we are headed.
    These wars were not by council, they were ordered by the UN.

    • http://yahoo Art

      Well said , my little friend. I couldn’t agree more.

    • prezelect

      Once again, I am astounded and delighted with your insight. People or at least most people do not know the power the Islamic U.N. holds. They issue American citizens their S.S. numbers, not the Social Security Administration, As well the I.R.S. answers to them through the I.M.F. of which they are an agent and the I.M.F. an agent of the U.N. And, who is funding the U.N. ? The American taxpayer, that’s who! We need to pull out of the U.N. and let them get their ill gotten gains from other sources. Let them move to France and bow to the east on those streets on their prayer rugs. Let us convert the U.N. headquarters into condominiums for visiting dignitaries. As well, since Obama is not an American citizen, he can roll up his prayer rug and move to France to pray to his moon god. Love you kiddo, GOD bless.

      Benjamin Franklin

  • Carleen Rantzow

    Amen! We should. Be amazing to see how “sane” everyone would become.
    My Man is a Col. In the Army with 1st Cav Divison has done x 4 tours he has seen what we as a Conservative Nation has the ability to do.
    Keep up the good work Ladies and Gentlemen.
    Carleen Rantzow
    San Antonio, TX

    • prezelect

      Please Carleen, take a stroll on the “River Walk” for me. I miss it and I miss the rattlesnake sandwiches I used to devour at least twice a week when I lived across the street from the zoo. My wife of that time used to commute to work on the little Breckenridge railroad to the restaurant on St. Mary St. I was born at Brooks General Hospital, but being a military brat traveled to wherever such as when my Dad as a Medical commanding officer converted the Breakers Hotel in Palm beach into the Breakers General Army Hospital before going into combat in 1942. I myself have served honorably in the Army, Navy and Air Force being forced to retire medically after rolling a weapons carrier 300 yards (equivalent of 90 story building) down a blizzard swept mountainside half killing myself and was told later that one man could pick up the pieces of the weapons carrier and put in the back of a pick up truck. It hit a clump of boulders and flew into pieces as well did I. Have a blessed day.

      Benjamin Franklin

  • http://yahoo Art

    After reading the bill. S.1867, on the Gov. printing site I found the
    Subtitle( D ), Detainee Matters Section. 1031, ( page 359 ) part in question, and it is as reported. However if you read on starting with page 359. you will see in the
    next section( 1032 ) that U.S. citizens are excluded as well as alien residents, that is to clarify, not subject to military detention. I am not re-assured very much by the language as it is written. There are many parts of the bill that I have to wonder about, besides the part about Americans being stopped , searched, and detained. The ball keeps getting pushed down the field, by a too big to fail agenda. When will Americans wake up ?
    answer: is when the power gets shut off and the foot-ball game is no longer on T.V.
    sooner or later, at this rate it will be pretty easy to get accused and detained, for the Big Government is fast becoming the thought police.

    • jim

      fear not what this bill says today …..fear what the communist democrats will write into this legislation tomorrow or the day after they regain control of the house and senate, we need only to look at our history to see our future

  • http://yahoo Art

    I was stopped a couple of weeks ago by the Highway Patrol, for having a Laugh out Loud at Obama sticker on my truck. The idiot wrote me up for illegal tint on my front wind screen, also cited the wrong statute on the ticket. And then did not show up for the Court Hearing. I had to take off work, fight traffic and still pay court costs, not-withstanding the little worm did’nt show up . What kind of place is it becoming when the system wants police with I.Q.,s under 100.? there is a plan in there somewhere. Get it ? Will not be able to reason with the police, much less some Army Reserve dunce, or worse yet a Blue Helmet that don’t speak our language.
    ” When the Government fears the people there is liberty, when the people fear their Government there is tyranny”. Is it too little too late.? The l-rad is just a peek at the stuff we have let them spend our tax dollars on. They can put us to sleep, or stop our hearts, if and when the decide to. ( N. Tesla)

    • prezelect

      Hello Art, I wonder what that officer would do if you were sporting a sticker depicting the homosexual rainbow with emblazoned words, “OBAMA SUCKS” being that he along with others of his ilk are homosexuals as can be noted on google. Google Obama’s homosexuality and you will see for your self. A friend told me I would probably be shot if I had a bumper sticker as such on my car. Obama has already had me audited for letters I sent him. The I.R.S. saying I owed several thousands of dollars and with completion of audit and befriending auditor, they owed me money, L.O.L. Have a blessed day my friend.

      Benjamin Franklin

  • http://yahoo Art

    Dr. Ron Paul gets my vote, ….but will it be counted ? not if the main stream media can help it.

  • RGH

    This is just the tip of the iceberg.
    O. is power hungry and will do anything to be known by the world and forever in history as the ONE that brought America to it’s knees, before next November.
    See, he’s not worried about doing anything right to get votes. He does not need them.

  • http://yahoo Jerry Wood

    I’ll be ready for anything, just as soon as I buy a few things.
    Let’s see I need 100 ea. surface-to- air missiles,100 ea. anti-tank missiles,
    10 ea. .45 cal automatic hand guns, 30 ea. M-16 rifles, 144 ea. ct grenades,
    5 dozen land mines, 8 ea. bullet proof vests, 4 ea. concrete pill boxes,
    8 ea. military jeeps, 3 ea. military helicopters, 5 ea. military tanks and
    1,000,000,000 rounds of ammo. for various weapons. I’ll be ready
    come try to arrest my ass and asses if you can punk.

    • prezelect

      Man, you must be loaded, can I borrow $5.00 for a cup of Starbucks coffee?

      Benjamin Franklin

  • Freedom 1776

    Peaceful change must be pushed, but when they push us back to the wall time to lock “n” load.

    Just takes 3% of US people to start the hunt for justice.

    Buy guns, gold, and find god. But most of all fear no death for liberty!!!!!!
    Party is over time to pay the bill people.
    Infowars.com
    Hit listen live button.

  • Susan Cummings

    Think opposite!

  • Susan Cummings

    The glass is half full, not half empty.

    • FedUpInTexas

      Ah, Ms Cummings? In this context what exactly do you mean by your comment? Are you suggesting that we assume the best possible outcome? That we expect that this current president will NOT abuse the awesome power to stifle dissent that this bill would provide him?

      I prefer to state the facts and refrain from analysis and value judgments. To state that the glass is half full assumes that the container is, indeed, in the process of being filled. To say that it is half empty is based upon the assumption that the container is being emptied. Why not instead state that the container is at 50% capacity? That is a values-neutral statement of observed, measured, verifiable fact.

      The fact in this instance is that the language of sections 1031 and 1032 would allow for the detention of U.S. citizens, apprehended on U.S. soil, for an indefinite period. Those are the facts. According to Colorado Senator Mark Udal

      “One section of these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S. soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on American soil.”

      According to Republican Congressman Justin Amash,

      the language of the bill is “carefully crafted to mislead the public.”
      “Note that it does not preclude U.S. citizens from being detained indefinitely, without charge or trial, it simply makes such detention discretionary,”

      Those are the facts. Does the language of the bill GUARANTEE that civilians on U.S. soil WILL be targeted? Not at all. But I would remind you that published documents from the Department of Homeland Security characterize behavior such as buying gold, owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of mundane behaviors as POTENTIAL INDICATORS OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM [emphasis mine FedUpInTexas].

      Please note that I am most definitely NOTaccusing the author and supporters of this bill of having ulterior motives. Instead,I would remind you of the aphorism, thought to have originated with Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, which goes The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

  • David

    The next thing Dingy Harry Reid will try to do is to declare Oblama as President for life!!!

  • Sam

    Here we go again! Its not surprising that the knucklehead Liberals will support this, and neither should it be a surprise to many that our so- called Republican “good ole boys” also support this piece of garbage. How else do you think they got where they are today? Wake up Conservative, law abiding, Constitution believing Tea Partiers and let’s clean house!

  • Simper Fi

    The insanity of this Congress continues! Clean them all out and replace them with true conservative Tea Party people!

  • Robert C. Laity

    “ANY law that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and Void”-US Supreme Court in Marbury v. Madison,(1803).

  • Pat

    They all must be voted out in 2012. Term limits some how must somehow apply to congress not sure how to go about that??

    • RGH

      This is just the tip of the iceberg.
      O. is power hungry and will do anything to be known by the world and forever in history as the ONE that brought America to it’s knees, before next November.
      See, he’s not worried about doing anything right to get votes. He does not need them.

  • Jimie C

    This gives Obama the power to take over our rights and lock us up. This cannot pass. Obama
    Wants to make us live like the people in Russia. We need to get Obama and all his followers out of power. If we don’t stand up now, we will lose our rights to be free. America is the land of the free, and it needs to be left that way… Vote no to the bill and in 2012 vote Obama out of Office. I for one want America to be free !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO TO OBAMA IN 2012 NO TO THE BILL TO LET THE MILITARY TAKE OVER OUR RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • J Williams

    Obama must be voted out after reading what a fellow student who went to school with this so called president had to say about his true background if elected to another term we than can call America the united states of nazican

  • Dirtracer

    Obama will go away in the next election…or the revolution will start

  • ARMYOF69

    Dictatorship at its best. And, since all our politicians are well fed and kept, and get very rich fast in government , at our expense, we have indeed created the dark ages once more. We live in a fiefdom again. They allow us to live , barely, at their whims.
    REVOLUTION COMING SOON.

  • chuck

    newt is not for big gov’t…how could you say that after he balanced the budget for all those years? He already has proven he will cut spending!! Newt 2012 THE conservative voice

  • larry

    if anyone says some obama dose not you will not hear from them again

  • Allyjayne

    Now that they have screwed up in Pakistan, they will create a peace treaty with Israel. A seven year treaty which they will break after they have removed the third king; Iran. Obama will be given control over the U.S. and Bill Clinton will be placed in the UN as President of the world. Then they will order the killing of all Christians a d Jews. When they break their treaty with Israel and do battle with them, Christ will return to deliver their punishment for their disobedience. Come quickly, Lord Jesus.

  • Marauder

    I pray this doesn’t pass either house. If it were to pass, you know the dedicated Marxist-in-Chief would sign it quickly. Then we could take bets on how soon they’d arrest any New Black Panthers.

  • Melissa

    If we want the guarantee of safety, we must give up liberty. Benjamin Franklin pointed that out a few years ago when he was fighting for liberty. We will continue to give up our liberty, a small bit at a time, as weask our government to guarantee our safety, and finally to do our thinking for us. We have already declared that our government knows what is best for us in so many small ways. Consider the law requiring you to wear a seat belt, or a motorcycle helmet. We know that these things protect us, and we are capable of deciding if we want that protection. Yes, law should be in place to protect us from each other, but law to protect us from ourselves implies we are incapable of that wisdom. Our government knows this, and takes advantage of it. Facist, Socialist, I don’t care what you call yourself, our call for absolute safety gives our government the impetus to accumulate that power. We won’t do anything about it until we are imprisoned for being unsafe, when it will be too late.

    • opine

      Hello Melissa, So many quotes have been accredited to Uncle Ben. Someone else said, “Give me liberty or give me death”. Can you give me the name of that person? Do you know that there are no direct descendants of Benjamin Franklin? The male linage stopped with his illegitimate son, but Hoo Boy! there sure are a lit of us cuzzins on face book, over a hundred and most are southerners. Have been a few imposters, but DNA kits weeded them out. Anyway, I congratulate you for your acumen of the subtle way the government is wearing us down to eventually be burdened with the yokes of their totalitarianism. Please stand with me GOD willing for me to take the helm and put this nation on the right course.

      Benjamin Franklin

  • John Galt

    F*U*C*K …. NO!

  • jim

    THIS IS AN ACT OF WAR!!!!!! IF THIS GOVT PASSES THIS ACT, DONT BE AFARIAD OF WHAT THE BILL SAYS TODAY…. BE SCARED AS HELL WHAT THE BILL WILL SAY TOMMOROW….IF THIS BILL PASSES YOUR GOVT HAS DECLARED WAR AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ANY SENATOR LEFT RIGHT OR IN BETWEEN WHO SUPPORTS THIS BILL IS A TRAITOR TO OUR REBUBLIC, HITLER, STALIN AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNIST SOCIALIST MARXIST BASTARDS WOULD BE PROUD OF THESE TRAITORS

  • Tex

    It’s time to move back to the great state of alaska and bunker down and get ready for what’s coming if this passes. May god help us

  • LBR

    Don’t worry illegals will be protected! Only Americans will be arersted…. All is good!

  • Ohio Frontiersmen

    People, you can elect a republican or a democrat and it’s the same damn creature. I’m a conservative but it ticks me off when my republican friends say “See what Obama is doing?”. They forget that this has been the same, consistent policy through Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama. It started a lot earlier than that but those 4 have pushed it to the breaking point. We are in 1938 Germany. How many times have you heard “If I had been there I would have done this and that” concerning NAZI Germany? Well folks, put up or shut up – you’re here. There is a war coming to this country – a war that everyday Americans didn’t start but will be part of. When there’s unlawful detentions, that will be a declaration of war upon the citizenry of this great land. What side shall history and prosperity declare your allegiance? Get awake and get prepared and may God have mercy upon those who love him.

  • Tex

    It’s time to move back to the great state of alaska and bunker down and get ready for what’s coming if this passes. May god help us all. If this passes in the end a lot of innocent people will be hurt unlike those idiots who approved this..they will be safe n there homes on the hill

  • http://n/a Corsair2

    I remember seeing the movie “The Casandra Crossing” about a train carrying passengers who become infected with a deadly toxin. Much of the drama focuses on how the passengers deal with it while officials on the other end plot to have the train destroyed by having the military divert it to another rail line that takes it to the Casandra crossing, a derilect bridge that will not support the train, bringing the train ride to a bad ending. I feel like”We the people “are on the good train America and the toxin is Obamanitis. Good train America is speeding along and the ride is no longer enjoyable but getting downright ugly.In the meantime our powers to be order our military to severely alter our train ride, resulting in a really bad ending. I’m wondering just when is our “Casandra crossing going to happen?

  • suzanne

    I think this is the start of the revolution for the American people, look at what is happening in the rest of the world when their GOVERNMENT does not LISTEN To their people. Get RID of congress, do we not have enough laws already on the books. If all the congressman and women had to leave what MONEY we would have. The Congress does not work for its people but their own selfish interests and opportunities for themselves to cash in on US.

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  • Merlin

    The military does not have nor should it ever be given law enforcement authority off of military instaalations. To do so would bring us one step closer to being just another third world military government. It would another nail in the coffin of our Constitution. What would be next? Arrests for political dissention?

  • Pastor Ruth

    This congress obviously doesn’t think their polling popularity is low enough! Give them an F! Zero! Zip! Vote everone of them out! How dare they subvert our very constitution and crown Dictator Obama under our very noses! How is this any different than what happened in Germany under Hitler? How are these subtle and not so subtle “changes” “transforming” us into that very image. Is this the “change” and “transformation” Obama was REALLY talking about? A police state??? Listen to what Ron Paul has been saying!! This so-called “protection” of our safety will be the total undoing of our liberty~!! VOTE NO to everyone who votes yes to this bill!

    This is an outrage!! Call/write/contact your congressman today!! This MUST NOT PASS!!

  • Willis Mann

    Sounds like our president wants to re-establish the Gestapo like Hitler empoyed in Germany. Let him try….there’s 80 million gun owners in this country who could, if they wanted to, take over Washington DC in a day. The Declaration of Independence stated, “…whenever government becomes destructive to these ends (i.e. to governing under the law) it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it.” I would suggest gettting the word out about this kind of thinking even existing in Washington, DC and that it is something that will not be tolerated. Get rid of everyone who votes for this bill the next time we have and election. And make damned sure the occupant of the White House is someone else.

  • Jonnyt

    This bill was drafted by McCain, so all the people blaming obama for this one baffle me.

    I’m not a big obama supporter by any stretch, but this is easily the second time that McCain has suggested such a proposal, and right from the article, Republican senator Lindsey Graham supports it!

    Read the damn article.

    • Patriot

      mccain needs to go back in the tiger box!!!

  • Wakeup

    http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/11/obama-threatens-veto-defense-bill

    Obama has already threatened to veto this bill, for all you Obama haters out there. Of course, no one here will believe it, but take it as you will.

    The drafter was McCain.

    • Roger

      Obama won’t veto this. It will allow him to round up all non muslims…

    • Patriot

      obama doesn’t threaten to veto this bill because of this provision! He wants to veto any funding for our military and will cut off his nose to spite his face!!!

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  • Patriot

    Any soldier attempting this will be considered just as much a TRAITOR as obama, mccain, graham, romney, etc. and will be dealt with accordingly. I do believe the death penalty will come into play here!!! Although I believe the death penalty to be an escape from punishment and should be replaced with quadriplegia!!!

  • richard

    economic collapse + unified quest = S-1867

  • http://conservatibyte.com Conservativ

    Tyranny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • Is revolution the solution?

    So when they leave the military they will be bound by the same law they enforced? The military is made up of citizens. Will they arrest their own family members? Will they be able to arrest Obamas own daughters? Will they be able to arrest politicians? Will they be able to arrest fellow members of the military? They will not even put the military on our own borders to protect us, much less arrest us.

  • Tom

    They will start a revolution in this country if Obama is given this much power. I do not see anyone the candidates with sense enough to have this kind of power. People better wake up and for sure send an email to them sating how you feel. This website is okay to run your mouth on, but now have the balls to call your senators and congressmen and let them know, I have already did this.

  • Pegi

    I don’t even recognize this country anymore! This latest revelation sounds like something happening in some third world country not ours. This kind of garbage needs to stop and we can start by voting out everyone of these traitors. I would hate to see a civil war during my grandchildren’s lifetimes!

  • Ronn

    Now is the time for a;; of us to get out goverment to get back to the Constitution and The bill of Rights as written. All Americans should read the documents that our country was founded on and require our goverment to get back to founding documents of our country. We are a republic which is goverened by law not democracy which is govereeded by the majority. Till we get back to founding documents of this wounderful county we are trouble from the powerful few people that run this county. Our founding fathers would turn over in their grves if they knew we have drifted so far from the original founding documents they gave us. Now is the time to return this counrty to its founding roots and the documents we were given by the founding fathers. May God bless America.

  • John SCHUURMAN

    How sad,The land of the brave and free, Pases a law that says that it can arest me in my adopted country Australia with out cause. is this, the reason that my family forefathers blood stains the land of france, algeria, tobruk , south africa, Korea ,vietnam and a family at high risk in milatary zone.
    I THINK THE DREAM IS OVER.

  • Steven Stomm

    This move that our so called government are trying to do is to set this country into communism. These people are sick in their heads and need to be fired as soon as possible. They all are comitting treason against the taxpayers of this country. If one of the taxpayers were to comitt treason or take money illegal from someone else they would be put in jail. The government I thought were Americans to ,so there for they should be put in jail for all of there crimes!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Rudloph

    I cannot believe this to be true. The military pledges following the Constitution. So, if a few nuts want to take over our country, it is up to the military to throw them into the slammer!!!!!!!!!

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  • Sherman4040

    Well this is what I have been expecting for some time! Now it is time to throw them all out! And the way to do that is to get involved with the conservative grassroots movement called GOOOH! This stands for Get Out Of Our House ! Locate the nearest TeaParty.net group in your area and get behind the effort to remove the local Congressman and replace him with a citizen representitive from your congressional district. Someone who will represent YOU and who will not be part of the click who voted in the rules that allow members of the house and senate to do the insider trading deals on wall street that involve the legislation that they each have pending! This how a poor man gets rich in 1 term in the house or senate! If your tired of this kind of cronyism, then get active in GOOOH or some other effort to throw the bums out! They right laws that allow them to do, what you would have to spend 5 to 10 years behind bars for, if you were caught!

  • pulchritudized

    This is ridiculous. America only gets more disappointing each day.

  • sue

    Folk’s, we have an answer.

    Ron Paul’s plan:
    The first thing that needs to be done is for the president to issue a Presidential Order and start bringing all our troops home to their families. That would bring a lot of money back here to boost the economy!

    2nd) phase out the FED. This would release trillions of dollars effectively ending our debt issues!

    3rd) End the Fed. By releasing the trillions of dollars into our economy. it would give an incredible boost to the dollar’s value, which would create a more stable stock market, which would give employers confidence to hire, which would create jobs!

    Americans could actually invest and save without as much uncertainty and fear. These 3 things could accomplish a lot in 10 short months. Our economy would do a complete turn around by the end of next spring!!
    I’m sure most people remember the math and economics that was taught to everyone that ever graduated high school.

    Liberty is something that is virtually gone in America! I’m tired of being over taxed, being regulated by the Lame Stream Media and being told that nothing can be done about the horrible state America is in.

    Source http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2011/09/08/how-will-they-get-rid-of-ron-paul/

  • sue

    Newt; Gingrich; Newt; Gingrich. I’m weary of hearing those two names as though the two men to whom they belonged were some kind of blessing to the US. Please, I beg of you “Newt; Gingrich” folks to investigate? Don’t just listen to what you’re told on television. The media is all owned by one entity, and that entity has an agenda. There is no information coming from that direction.
    It’s a little more trouble to search out the truth, but it’s worth it. Search through records that are readily available; find out the truth for yourself. Google is a good place to start. You have enough time to get to know each and every candidate before election day.

    Gingrich is a Council on Foreign Relations member – one world government pushers. Newt pushed Congress to sign NAFTA, GATT and WTO. And now the WTO has voted AGAINST US cattlemen and women! [Does this sound good? Do either of these sound like a person you would want to sit in the Oval Office???]
    You can begin by checking out these statments.
    http://cowboybyte.com/2050/groups-respond-to-wto-…

    Newt is a ‘futurist’ who envisions a world without borders and that’s why he has no problem with illegals in our country – there are no such things as illegals in Newt’s mind. Read Alvin Toffler’s ‘Letter to our Fouunding Parents’ in his book The Third Wave, Newt agrees with Toffler, wrote the forward in that book, and recommended to all of Congress that they should read it when he was Speaker.
    Thank you, Newt!

  • name,name

    Levin and McCain co-sponsored this bill, one dem and one pub but both progressives, so vote out all progressives if we still have that opportunity. otherwise, ……………………………….

  • Rocky Scott

    This is a dictatorship move, or a Nazi move if allowed and it is absurd.

  • Trisha

    Lets not play dumb. We know full well there is an UP side to this too. Nobody wants to say it is all. The down side is, of course, when its abused. And we know that will happen too. Cant win!

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  • Jay

    I know that I am really late on posting on this topic, but before everyone has a total meltdown, read the bill. Please note that there is not 1, single quote from the S.1867 bill. I had to search to find it. There is no language that states it is lawful to arrest American citizens. In fact, it clearly states in Subtitle D- Sec.1031, Paragraph (e) the following “AUTHORITIES.—Nothing in this section shall be
    11 construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to
    12 the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident
    13 aliens of the United States or any other persons who are
    14 captured or arrested in the United States.”

    I think that the people that put this misinformation at there are doing so to confuse others. Their purpose is unclear, unless it is to foment unrest. Most people have the right idea, we need to vote out most of the current representatives. Do not take anything on the web or tv without question. God Bless.

  • Aharon

    The two most dangerous and destructive organized crime families in America are the Democrat and Republican Parties. The ideals and values of today’s political liberals and conservatives have drifted far from their original beliefs and teachings. I find them a strange mix of marxist/socialism and fascist/corporatism. The two Parties are all about moving us toward a state that is totalitarian and authoritarian. At least 99% of politicians are morally and ethically corrupt whether they publicly stand as a liberal or conservative. The practices and actions of big and even medium size government is opposed to the American people being free and prosperous.

  • Alberto Zumaya

    This is going too far our government must not be allowed to broaden its power at the expense of its citizens. we must put a stop to this before it goes too far and we loose control of our own government. power must stay with its citizens where the founding fathers meant it to be.

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