Petition to Redistribute GPA Scores?

I love it! It sure makes the point that Redistribution of wealth or grades is not the way to go.

these people who say it isnt the same thing as redistributing money got their head up their ass.the people with the higher gpa will more likely make more money than a person with a low gpa, so there for it carries over into your income , and status in the work place.

Great analogy. It should have made a very good point with the college students.

It's never fair to a liberal when you take something away from them, only when they can take something away from you. It's the old saying, "Liberalisim is great until you run out of other people's money." Is anyone surprised that these kids think the way they do? They are being taught this garbage by professors around the country on a daily basis. Wait until they start to work and earn a paycheck and see how much goes to those people who don't work and see how fair they think that is.

I think you're missing the point here. They are trying to demonstrate how stupid that idea is, just the same as how stupid it is to redistribute people's wealth. If you work hard to earn your money, you should keep it. If you work hard to earn good grades, you should keep them. Plain and simple.

There is a tad of sarcasm with this. Point is the repub is saying I work for what I have and should keep it. Where as a democRAT says let us take what you have and use redistribution so the lazy people will not feel bad about themselves! I say let them all choke on a chicken bone!!!!

I think these kids are pretty damn smart. They are pointing out the absurdity of redistribution. Be it wealth, GPA's, or anything else. Those who need something redistributed to themselves are the people who will not take care of themselves. I keep hearing about the "Poor." In my 73 year experience, I have found most poor people are poor by choice. How many "poor people" drop out of school, join street gangs, use drugs, or are just plain thugs. Are these people poor! I will give to any person who needs a hand, if they are medically disabled, mentally handicapped, of physically handicapped. Most of them will not take a handout. It is also my experience that many, many immigrants are the dregs of their own Country, and come here so they can live better, on our citizens dime!.

The real poor, those who have a Medical reason, deserve all the help we can give them; the lazy poor deserve absolutely no help. Get a JOB, and work for a better life. Hell, I am 73, and started working when I was 12 years old. All the money I earned, I gave to my parents, to help pay for my care. These so-called poor, can't or won't take of their own families. Work, work, work; that is the best core for Poverty.

I certainly hope that these kids are doing this to point out how stupid liberal policies regarding redistribution of most everything from the haves to the have nots is. If they are serious, God help us. The liberal disease has infected our youth. Yes, liberalism is a disease, a mental disease.

This is another take of the old story printed below which shows the students in the video are "having on" the Obama wealth redistribution fanatics :

Father and Daughter

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very socialist, and among other socialist ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, How is your friend Audrey doing?

She replied, Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over.

Her wise father asked his daughter, Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, Welcome to the conservative side of the fence.

If anyone has a better explanation of the difference between conservative and socialist or progressive or neocon I'm all ears.

Obama thinks he is Robin Hood maybe someday he will realize reading from a monitor doesn't make you smart or look smart maybe that is why his school records through law school are sealed.

(Dear Vietnam Vet)…. 2 years of required service….??? I don't think so! I don't believe the government should take our money for redistribution and I don't believe our children should be required to serve any amount of time for our government. It is all about our freedoms and liberties. It should always be a choice as to whether or not we want to help those in need financially and whether or not we want to serve the government. That is not to say that I am not grateful for all who have served and for those currently serving. My only son is currently serving as a U.S. Marine, however, it was his choice, not a mandate! (I am sooo very proud of him for the CHOICE he made!) Our legal U.S. citizens need to wake up to what the actual role of our government is. They (the government) have overstepped their bounds in unfathomable ways. We need to strongly encourage EVERY LEGAL U.S. CITIZEN to THINK AND VOTE to REDUCE the government's chokehold on everyone and everything in our country. It is this over zealous, power obesity that is destroying our country from the inside out! (Michelle O. should tackle this type of obesity… and leave the rest of us out of her stupid hair brain ideas…!!!!)

I saw some real dumb ass students, who had 4.0 GPAs, but were stuck on the liberals belief that taxing the rich more to give it to the low income was right. Yet these same dumb asses thought it was a bad idea to have to give up some of their 4.0 GPA to students that had low GPAs.

That's what these future democrat ass holes bring to the work force jack shit.

THIS IS SO TIPICAL OF A DEMOCRAT, THEY ALL LIVE IN A "ME" WORLD. NEVER WILLING TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN. WAKE UP AMERICA WE HAVE A NUT IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND AIRFORCE ONE. LET'S GET THE JUNGLE NUT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hltcs.

You are clueless, like most libs. The point of this exercise escapes you. These very bright Republican students are making a point about bankruptcy of the redistribution of wealth, just as students at other colleges have made point with affirmative action bake sales where minority students get cookies at bargain prices. There are young people with the correct principles who are not afraid to make a point about hypocrisy. Their activities should be applauded.

College is a waste of time for many students who should go out and get a job before wasting their parents’ money (or our tax dollars). Many come out knowing less than when they went in, and have big debt to boot. Don't believe it? Check out the Intercollegiate Studies Institute web site which reports on the results of extensive surveys of senior students at elite institutions who know less than they did as freshman (Brown, Yale, Harvard, etc.). There's even a test you can take to measure your own civic knowledge. Hint: conservatives routinely score higher than libs.

The idea that every young person belongs in college is a fraud and a gigantic waste of money, particularly when they major in such things as feminist studies, Chicano Studies, Black Studies, Peace Studies, Environmental Studies (much of it), or take courses in post-colonial literary theory, semiotics, and other such idiocies. Just examine the college catalogs of the elite colleges. It will make you want to puke. I've seen it as an adjunct faculty member.

Not only that, but the traditional courses are corrupted with notions of race, class and gender where the literature of the past is scoured for evidence of homosexual perversion (Jane Austen as lesbian, etc.) and other nonsense to advance current political agendas. College faculties and law schools are rife with people who shouldn't be allowed near impressionable young minds. Courses are often politicized and no one calls them on it.

Choosing a college these days involves much more than looking in awe at ivy-covered buildings, number of volumes in the library, faculty-student ratios, successful basketball and football teams, etc. It's what goes in the classroom that is of prime importance and for which you pay the BIG BUCKS' and most prospective students and their parents don't have a clue that they are being set up for indoctrination.

The American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA) was organized to expose this kind of academic corruption. Here's what their current web site (http://www.goacta.org/) reports:

Following a media scandal in Northwestern's "Human Sexuality" class, ACTA wrote to Northwestern's Board of Trustees (and alumni) about the real scandal—the lack of a general education. As we explained to the trustees: For a Northwestern student, courses on "Human Sexuality" and "Households and Everyday Life" count the same as courses on "Greek Democracy," "Congress & the Legislative Process" and "Introduction to Macroeconomics." Given the age and inexperience of many students, in the absence of well-structured general education requirements, is it any wonder that they choose sex courses over civics? Students at Northwestern can graduate without ever taking solid survey courses in American history, economics or literature, a natural science, college-level math; or composition. Quite frankly, they can pretty much do or not do whatever they want—as long as they have $200,000 to spend. To read the full letter, click here.

This example is hardly unique. More federal dollars for higher education will simply buttress this system of corruption. Parents and students need to do their homework and boycott schools like this. The alternative is to be indoctrinated at yours or the taxpayers’ expense.

I have to say it's hardly the same. All students can earn a 4.0 if they work hard. Money is always going to be unevenly distributed. This analogy is implying the 4.0 earners are getting their gpas not just from working hard, but from the frivolous decisions of the lower gpa bracket. This, of which, is not true.

In my estimation, only someone with something to hide would have his or her GPA sealed and hidden from the public. He might even hide associations with unsavory characters like Bill Ayers. One might even hide a Birth Certificate to avoid anything that could be perceived as damaging.

With only 51 or fewer cards in a deck, a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Socialist, or Communist would not play a game of Solitare as it is an incomplete deck. So why do we accept and allow a candidate for an election to select the qualifications he will divulge to the proper authority. I believe Obama is a U.S. citizen, but since he has so many parts of his past sealed, he has yet to finish the legitimate paperwork.

Well isn't it revealing. These selfish little mind numbed robots, these little skulls full of mush (to quote a prominent figure) aren't interested in sharing the fruits of their hard work, their wealth, which is their knowledge (and for some they have "unfair" advantages of more time to study, more money to live on, more tools, more "stuff"), YET they think it quite fair to expect hard working Americans to be forced to "share" their wealth. Hypocrites, all.

All the best to those who so bravely pointed out their inconsistency. I can only hope reason prevails and it soaks in soon.

That is a great idea. I wonder if the liberals will do that. If not, then how would they explain that redistributin money like they want to is different? It isn't. It only their money or gardes they don't want to spread around, but they are so willing to do that with other's people's money.

This is pure socialism. Why work if you can get something for nothing and the same is true in education. Unfortunately those t hat have not vote more than those that have hence the problem the country is in. quite hoinestly if I knew that I did not have to work and make the same as I do now why work. Same is true of GPA. As soon as people realize they do not have to work for a grade they will not. No incentive. And that is what has become of the US.

I can't believe how stupid these kids are! Maybe the petitioners should have made it a little more understandable. They should have said that they were taking money from students that have X amount of funding for college and giving it to students who – heaven forbid – might have to work their way through college and don't have a lot of money for their studies. Maybe, just maybe, then they might have been able to see the analogy behind the project!

YA THINK?

Interesting and accurate analogy. The only difference I see is that the liberals want to redistribute your income (not theirs) to those "less fortunate" for the purpose of having the "less fortunate" vote them in and perpetuate their power.

GPA's are EARNED, as is income. Why should those who parasitize our nation benefit from the hard work and ingenuity of others? As I've pointed out before, it would be interesting to see what would transpire if one's vote had a multiplier effect for the taxes we pay; i.e. the more you produce, and pay taxes, the more valuable your vote is, as in the corporate shareholder process. For example, your basic parasite's vote has a value of 1. For every $5,000 you pay in taxes, you would in essence have an additional vote. So if you pay 5K in taxes, your vote counts as 2, 10K counts as 3, etc.

ObviouslyI know that this is unconstitutional, but with producers having an increased voice in the legislative process, our economy would turn around in a heartbeat.

This is a fine example of what our children are being taught. Not just at the college level but in the primary schools also. When these guys get jobs and some of them will become rich, that's when it will all sink in then it may be to late.

kategray and Pauline Wray, How can you be so obtuse? You completely missed the point of this exercise and must have left your brains in your other purse. These students are being facetious–shall I define it for you: not meant to be taken seriously or literally. Back to school for both of you, for a little elemntary logic.

On the question of memorization, I would recommend to all of you the work of E.D. Hirsch, who was on to something in his book “Cultural Literacy: What Every American Ought to Know,” first published in 1988. Hirsch points out that American students are on par with students in other countries in reading comprehension through the third grade, but fall increasingly behind after that because they do not understand the context of what they are reading. In other words, while they learn the mechanical skills of reading, whether by phonics or–horrors-whole language, they do not comprehend the broader context of what they are reading. To say something is a person’s “Achilles heel” will go over the heads of many students, because they have no knowledge of Homer’s Iliad, even in a very general sense, to know that means a fatal weakness.

Factual knowledge, while dismissed by many educators today who are products of abysmal schools of education, is the foundation upon which we build higher order thinking. Educated people simply must have this basic factual information at their fingertips to proceed to the next level. For example, that we have (contrary to Obama’s understanding) 50 states, not 57, and they each have capitals. These include geographical facts, mathematical facts, scientific facts, literary facts, historical facts, civic facts, etc. Young people are like sponges and can absorb these facts at an early age, given the right instruction and incentives. Hirsch even developed an entire series of books (What You First Grader Should Know, etc. through, I believe, the 7th grade).

What’s tragic is that professors who know, or should know, basic factual information themselves advance theories that make it less likely that their students will have that knowledge when they make it to college. What would you think of a history professor who didn’t know—off the top of his head—that the first permanent English settlement in North American was at Jamestown, Virginia in 1607 or that Chicago was situated on Lake Michigan? Yet, they and their colleagues in schools of education are likely to dismiss the idea that elementary and secondary students should memorize such facts. And why are many college students taking remedial classes upon entrance because of the failures of their elementary and secondary education? That’s one of the reasons.

Think, for example, how much easier it will be for a chemistry student to memorize the periodic table and other basic information at an early stage of his or her science education. Some like to equate this to rote memorization where students simply repeated or regurgitated what a teacher said at the front of the room, as in the 19th century, but they are wrong and miss the whole point. Such learning can be instilled creatively using the right techniques. And it doesn’t have to include just “mere” facts, but concepts that require some combination of memorization or mastery to buttress recall. Hirsch’s Core Knowledge Foundation is dedicated to fostering this approach to learning. He argues that there is a core of knowledge behind every academic discipline. Seems intuitive, but the lesson has been lost since the 1960s by bad educational theories and practices at many incompetent and politically-charged schools of education (read, for example, Rita Kramer’s excellent book “Ed School Follies”). Many homeschoolers use Hirsch’s books.

We have seen what happens when students don’t master the basic facts of civic literacy–they are more likely to be liberals. The Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI) surveys have demonstrated that seniors at most so-called “elite” schools (Yale, Harvard, Brown) know less about their government than they did as freshmen, or less than students at colleges of lesser reputation that, nevertheless, have a more rigorous core curriculum. Brown, for example, has no requirements at all–the result of 1960s radical Ira Magaziner (whom many of you may remember as Hillary Clinton’s health care policy wonk). This called negative learning. You can see the results at the isi.org web site.

I recall the techniques used with my son and daughter to teacher mathematics facts. Instead of memorizing their multiplication tables, for example, they played with “manipulatives,” small pieces of wood used for groupings. This went on for a semester. I remember memorizing the multiplication tables in a few weeks. This, along with whole language instruction, are just two of the bad ideas introduced by schools of education. It’s no wonder many parents are home schooling their children.

what libtard kids these cal students are their hypocrits the proposition is exactly the same and these future dem libtards cant seem to make the connection what a sad state this country is in

It’s so sad that after all the students say no, they do not support redistribution of grades that they fail to make the connection with taxes. They’re so brainwashed and don’t even know.

After looking at that video-it just proves to days “all about me ” attitude and how really dumb alot of college kids really are today. The example given is as plain as the nose on their faces and they can`t connect the dots,duh ???

The two don’t correlate. The wealthy in this country are wealthy at the expense of the poor. That’s simple economics. My GPA is completely independent of another person’s. this guy is a moron! The super rich (billionaires we are talking about here, no millionaires) getting richer while the rest of America is continuously exploited by the wealthy is a bad idea. But, if you agree with getting taxed a higher percentage then people who make 10 x what you do, then I don’t know what to say to you. It’s really sad. For all those people who want to preach trickle down economics, it does not work. They don’t use that money to create jobs or spend money on goods produced by the poor, it is hoarded, handed down to future generations who don’t have to work for it, or spent on high quality goods, likely produced by other elites.

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